EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

                                                            SOME OF THESE SORRY YELLOW DOGS WAITING THEIR TURN

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                                                                     THE 2 MINUTE BAYUP/STANDING REAL GOOD                                         

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                                                                                  TIMES UP STARTING TO DRIVE

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                                                                                  HEADED TO THE PANELS

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                                                                MADE THE PANELS HEADED FOR THE NEXT SET

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    GOTTA MAKE THE NEXT SET OF PANELS/NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT AND OFFERS AN ESCAPE OPPORTUNITY/ TOOK 2 TRIES BUT GOT'EM ALL THROUGH AT ONCE

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That is so awesome, quality yellow dogs are hard to beat.

Haha, they weren't hard to beat that day. After that pic I had a bit of a wreck that messed up my potential score, and Lisa had a wreck early in her run, ruining her chances as well.
  There was another fellow "Todd Webb" with a yellow dog that did place I think third. He had won the Saturday competition at Garvin, but on this day even though he made a real smooth run his dog had loafed some and the cattle he drew allowed the dog to loaf but the judges discounted him some.
  There were some good dogs that made good runs that rightfully won. There were some extra good Cowboys for this sort of thing at both events, I always enjoy studying the dogs and Cowboys.  There are some folks that couldn't drive a thirsty duck to water in this world haha.

  Those are some good looking Curs Clue. Do they run a pair of dogs in each run or just one?

You can use 1 or 2 your choice.

Good looking dogs lot of people could benefit from watching that see how a cur dog is supposed to handle stock

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Do you have any of those yellow dogs you want to get rid of right now?

Thanks NLA, and no TMATT, I don't have anything to sell. Actually don't sell many other than extra pups, hardly ever keep an entire litter.

Well, if it was easy more people would do it! Looks like fun and aside from the hiccup, it sounds like your dogs did good. I was hunting with a buddy one day. As we were driving across the pasture to the dogs he stopped on his brand new 4-wheeler that was pulling a brand new dog trailer. As he looked at his brand new garmin, he said you know, our dogs may not be worth a damn, but by golly we look like we know what we’re doing and that’s the main thing. Lol, you at least looked like you knew what you were doing, win, lose, or draw.


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Clue  , i havent been on here in probly 10 yrs,  glad to see the legend from my part of the world on here.   you boys pay attention when Clue is talking he is the real deal.. tell Lisa i said hello.. 

Good to see you post Craig, but don't be blowin smoke at these guys about this Old Man.

agreed, if it were not from the old man's blood I'd of never owned a good yellow dog, all my blood is pretty much from you and your contacts. Just had 4 pups hit the ground a few days ago, 75% hawk (high % weatherford ben) 25% from a Tyson/bear male to a clue female. THANK YOU, cant wait to see them come on next year

How’s the high percentage weatherford dogs do on hogs for you? I see you made a cross on clues blood and wondering what you expect outta that cross?

I love them, They hunt hard, probably only cull 20-30% but a high % make dogs.  Lots of natural hunt in general. Biggest complaint is there gritty and cull themselves, I dont need yellow CD's lol

The Ben dogs are known for being rough and catchy. Ben himself was a catch dog at least that’s how Randy used him.


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I don’t know the style of the Old Man’s dogs.


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These dogs do have some of the same blood as the W. Ben dogs but have been bred quite differently, they "typically" have lots of get ahead and square up, are not catchy, varying degrees of bite to stop cattle or bring one back that tries to leave from pretty rough to pretty mild, mostly in between. I do not want a dog snatching and grabbing around cattle that are bunched and handling. I want them to back up and bark, I don't want them circling while driving cattle but up front leading and controlling the speed.
I've had some that would not bite a cow and some that started out with too  much bite around a bunch but I can knock that out of them in a short time.  Some are natural lead dogs and some I have to ask them to back up when driving while they are young and fresh. You don't have to worry about them catching baby calves, in 40 some years I have raised 2 that would do that, they didn't live to be old.

I love reading about dogs like this. Old Man, do you use them mostly on site cattle or do they have to go hunt’em up? Depending on where you are here, it could be either way. There are actually still several places where you have to have a dog that will go find cattle.


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Usually when we have to really hunt to find cattle it is the few outlaws or remnants that are brushed up, bigger bunches of cattle in bigger places are pretty easily found. Lots of times cattle are in sight when we pull in and run off so it is real fresh sign, this is really good for pups.

I understand. I bet it is good for the pups. How long do you think you’ve had this line of dogs?


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42 years

That’s awesome. I wish more of you legends would tell about your dogs and the history y’all have with and know about them. I love to hear about where the dogs were at when you started with them and where they are now and the road taken to get here. Lots of knowledge in you guys. The unfortunate truth for future dog men and women is that one day we all will meet our maker and we can choose to either share that knowledge and wisdom or take it with us. In my opinion, if we truly love the dogs and ways we use them, we are obligated to share so that others can continue it on hopefully. Thanks for sharing, I know some don’t because they’re worried about being considered a know it all. The ones that think that about someone that is talking with sense aren’t to be worried about anyway.


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This strain of dogs actually started with Ricky Driver, ff to a very influential cross made with Ricky and Bob Owens dad, ff again to Ben Jordan, and a cross he made with a Jerry Camp dog. They were good when I began with them and I have just attempted to maintain the traits in them. They are very heavily linebred.
Ricky, Ben, myself and numerous others bred them for Cowdogs, but lots of people have had success with them on hogs. I hog hunted them some early on, but then didn't for many years----but my wife and I earlier this year while hunting some escaped cattle in several sections of a big creek bottom bayed hogs with them 2 different days, the second day it was a really good boar, had fun since it was the first I'd bayed any hogs with these Curdogs in a long long time, the dogs with us had never seen a hog. Lisa's nephew and I bayed another boar a couple months after that while looking for some more cattle.  If there had been cattle in there for them to find I doubt we'd have bayed the hogs.

You making me wanna raise a few of them yellow dogs for hogs around here. I just like watching a good cur dog work!

That’s awesome and I’m sure you were happy to see them turn on to the hogs so natural.

I had a dog from Randy Wright YEARS ago that came directly from John Gay around Texarkana. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a cur dog with more go than that rascal. He was cow dog but was started on hogs too. If you put him out on cattle you were fine. If he had to go find cattle or hogs you weren’t gonna find them because he preferred deer  over both and I do mean he would run them until he caught them. Randy told me he got the dog to breed some hunt back into his dogs. I never knew anything about John’s dogs except for what Randy told me.


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I remember John selling him a stub tailed dog that went to Beaver's Crook, Randy also got some females from Beaver, that is where the stub/bob tailed dogs came from in that line.

I am with Ben I like to see good set of cur dogs work would like to see set of em work on some hogs here at the house I figure they would probably

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This dog I got was a different build than Randy’s dogs for sure. He was what I would consider short legged and had a real long body. He was also a little on the muscular side. I remember the Rodeo dog Randy had.  He was a good looking dog. A lot of leg and well built and had that pretty black mask too. It’s been too long now though, I can’t remember how he was bred but I sure remember his looks. Randy did have a couple of short tailed dogs there. They were relatively young at that time.


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Back when I hog hunted them I had drove hogs with them a few times Ben had told me how to go about it. A friend of ours down in the mountains still drives a few hogs.

You ain’t kidding thomas. I wish there were more of these guys that were more accessible and willing to share their stories. I idolize these old men. maybe more than one should, but dang it I can’t find a overall better example of good humans and resourceful, respectable men, than the vast majority of the old school cowboys and dog men. sadly I lost the only one I was close to last year in Mr.Woodward. That man shared everything he could with me, and then allowed me to form my own opinion and run with it.

Sure appreciate you Mr.Anderson, and the few other old heads on here that are willing to share. Love reading the stories and lessons learned and seeing the pictures of some real deal working dogs.


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All mine think cows have magical electric powers but Ive had several that made as good of a hog dog as a man could ever want. Im certainly grateful to all the older guys allowing me to hunt and breed these lines. The names you mentioned and Dr. Long in A&M. I dont pretend to know all the lines but I know we keep it tight and when we do outcross its to something line bred as well. These dogs are 75% Hawk (wich was W.B.'s brother I think)

I get all mine from Rodney Spivey and he always says we wouldnt have crap without you Clue.

Make em squell how does them dogs typically hunt or how do yall hunt em? Do yall cast and wait for em to get bayed somewhere or track hunt or just kinda tell us there style

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I appreciate the "unnecessary" compliments, but really they are just dogs. I try to raise them to suit me and if someone else gets along with them I'm glad, if they don't get along with them thats okay. I've not promoted them nor raised them to sell though I do sell the extras. When folks go to raising working dogs for "the money" the quality in my opinion goes down to allow the volume to go up.
 
I breed my way and start them my way and cull to my own standards, there is a number of good strains of good dogs owned and used by members of this board. I don't have to see them go in person to know that because you guys are consistently successful with what you have and raise. We may all have and or prefer a little different style of dog but thats what makes the world go round.

I enjoy reading the hunting stories and following the development of young dogs that you'all mention having raised and started.

I mentioned these dogs were heavily linebred, here is a short pedigree of some 14 month old pups that I like real well.

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I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you liked Cowboy II.

I feel EXACTLY the same way as you old man. My opinion is that there are two kinds of good dogs. The first one is the one that makes the person buying it’s feed happy and the second is the kind that makes me happy. They may or may not be the same kind of good.


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A high % have a lot of natural hunt, and bay good. They will hunt however you let them, I usually walk hunt and they make loops from 200yds to a mile and check in every 30 min to an hour or bay up. My good buddy who helps me keep the blood around is a lazy Mexican that likes to sit on the tailgate and drink beer until its time to walk to the bay and his 2 finished 4 yr old dogs cast hunt beautifully, but thats just how he hunts them and wouldnt walk them at all when they were younger, if they didnt role off they went back to the box.

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Yea good looking dogs like black male with the yella legs and last yella with no mask sounds like they work good for yall

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A crew of good lookin dogs.

Last pic is pups from 2 yrs ago if I remember (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240109/e894f8544650a96faaadcdffc44bdbec.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240109/c0ec9aebd0420b02167b671ae7169e2c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240109/09b9307220543c324752f29116540905.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240109/64c992f2ee08b0be17737de52d33cfea.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240109/91889e4b991e9b53de4ec772644be88d.jpg)

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You ever traveled and hunted any in like the big thicket part of texas? Just curious how they did in that country, I know they work there cuz people use em there still today!

I generally hunt 1-2 hrs  in every direction of DFW.

Some fine looking dogs!


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With looks being all I have to go on, my favorite is the solid yellow gyp with the orange collar. I'm well aware that pretty is as pretty does haha.

I wish we had more people that kept good working yella dogs here in deep etx, I’d love to go watch one of these!


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Next year when I find out if, when, and where I'll post it on here, I always have a good time win, lose, or draw.

That’d be great thank you sir!


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