EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Well, y’all know how much I’ve been complaining about catch dogs. Deputy Dawg and I have picked up some pups to give a try. We got a pair of AB sisters that are Konfederate bred. Mine is black and his is brindle. Mine is well built, smart, and great natured. I’m betting she would catch right now. She’s about 2 months old. I’m supposed to get her mother. I’m looking forward to getting her and seeing how she performs.

The males are littermates as well and come from Stonegrove kennel in Florida. They are a pit/American cross. Both are really nice dogs in every way. They are very athletic for their age and size. Smart is an understatement with them. They learn really fast. The only time they had ridden was when they were loaded in Florida to come to Texas. I was going to take mine to the feed store with me the morning after I got him. I opened my truck door and he ran and jumped trying to load. I was impressed even though he didn’t make it. He walks right with me, looking up at me the whole time. I’m impressed to say the least. I think he’ll catch too. I sure hope they catch well.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20241213/75652b0d5b0963cd8d958a0cf59f811d.jpg)
Daddy to my female pup
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This is my female pups momma
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The two white headed pups are the males. Mine is the brindle and white one.
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Those are some smart looking pups for sure. Sure hope they work out for you. The guy you got them from, are they used for catchdogs?

I'm looking forward to seeing them. I hope they all do well and you are flooded with choices to breed to.

Thank y’all.

Cajun both pups come from families of dogs being used for bite work and catch dogs. Neither of one of them has a parent being used as a catch dog but both have very closely related dogs being used for catching. I’m supposed to be getting the female pups mom, hopefully this weekend, to use if she’ll work. They guy says she is high prey drive. He doesn’t know how good she’ll be but he’s betting there won’t be an issue with her wanting to.


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Good looking dogs hope they work for yall

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Thanks NLA

I was wrong, for the second time in my life, I was wrong! The momma to my male pup was said to be a really nice catch dog and didn’t do any bite work until she was a little older. The daddy to him primarily does bite work but has been exposed to a few hogs. So we’ll see.


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Real shiny pups that should have enough size, hope they all make good'uns.

Pups look good Thomas. Sure sounds like they have the smarts as well. I’m sure you and deputy dawg will get some workers out of em.

  I was thinking that the Konfederate dogs were originally mixed with Pit, to begin getting the darker colored dogs is that true? Not to imply that would be a bad thing, just curious.

Old man, there were two lines basically. The black line has some pit there. Both parents to both of my pups carry pit. Both of the Konfederate parents carry a good bit of the black family. The way I understand it, they crossed some Boudreaux blood into them and it was done before Don Mathew’s got his dogs. He made his tweaks to create what they are now. Personally, I’m not the biggest fan of his black dogs. A whole lot of them are what I consider barrel chested, shorter necked, and not as good front end angulation. Now that being said, the black dogs produced some well made and really good catch dogs too. To me that short neck is usually a tattle tale on several things. I want length in that neck like I do in my horses.


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What does the short neck tattle tell on?

Those are some good looking animals Thomas. Interested to see what comes of them for yall.


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I’m looking forward to their growth and progression t dog

Teaspoon, IN MY EXPERIENCE, the short necked dogs don’t typically have the flexion that the longer necked dogs do. They usually seem to have way less reach with their front end. I personally think they have less angulation normally which causes a lot of that. I also think it causes them to not have the bottom because they have to work harder. Bottom might not matter to some people in a catch dog but it does to me. I want to be able to catch numerous hogs with one dog. If it’s spent after a hog or two then it’s no good to me. I would assume people that send their catch dog from way out or that walk hunt would appreciate bottom the most. Those short necked dogs are usually real heavy muscled too. Another thing that affects stamina and heat tolerance. I’m not saying there aren’t good ones or that they can’t do the job, it’s just my preference and observations. I always wondered if the short neck affected their breathing in any way. That’s a question for somebody like WOW. He may be able to answer that for us.

Thanks for the compliments y’all.


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I concur with you Thomas.
I like longer necked dogs, I think that goes along with being a longer backed dog as well…
I think both add up to more mobility and a longer backed dog has more ‘spring’ in their movements and use that to get more ‘punch’ and ‘reach’ on the fly if they need to rapidly change direction.
I have have shorter necked and backed dogs that had plenty of muscle to spare but while they look very impressive and contain a lot of straight line power, sort of like a cannonball. They lack needed maneuverability. Most were more one out dogs that didn’t recover as well. A longer back goes along with bigger lung capacity imo.

Kinda like firing a smart bomb vs a howitzer

I think Semmes explained it pretty simply. Those dogs with the longer necks are usually just better athletes. Shorter necks usually go with barrel chests which are not as efficient as v-chests.

Thank y’all. Well said!


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Thanks T-dog, Semmes, and WOW.......I prefer the style of dog y'all are describing, but if someone would have asked me why I prefer that style of dog, all I would have said was they seem to be more athletic and have more leverage.  The way y'all explained it makes sense to me.

One thing on lungs, the way I had it explained to me is that they aren't storage tanks. They are pumps and those round chests don't move in and out like those deep v chests.

WoW, please explain what you mean by v-chested in conformational terms, when looking at a dog.

Are we judging that when looking at a dog from the head in front view or from the side view of the chest depth and shape?

I understand the barrel chested dog, which you see from the head on front view quite easily but is not seen from the side view aspect.

Most bulldogs are judged that the chest depth, conformationally, should be at the level of the front elbows, which can be seen from both the side and front view.

But, and I may be wrong, but inthe bulldog type breeds, conformation judges like them to fit in a an imaginary square box when judged from the side view. Meaning as tall at the shoulders as they are long when viewed from the side with a proportional neck length.

The lungs run parallel to the spine anatomically so the longer the back the more stretched out physically the the chest cavity and the more room anatomically for deeper lungs.

Just making sure we are on the same page?

Or are you referring to a v-chest when viewed from the side, with a huge v and depth of the chest when looking at say coursing breeds like greyhounds  or wolfhounds , whippets etc, which have a comparatively narrow chest than bulldogs when viewed from the from view.

I think we are talkin the same thing. But I’m try to drill down and learn here…

With a little reflection, maybe you are referring to a more narrow v-chest when viewed from the front?

It would also make sense sense lungs are just bags that expand and contract, which would expand and deflate the chest width extremely when looking from a front view?

Like I say, just learning here…

I’m working pitbull dogs I always took it to be a reference of the legnth of back making the dog slightly more of a rectangle than a square when looked at front the side?

All the while remaining string and thickly muscled when viewed from front not narrower like a coursing dog. Just spitballing hahahaha 8)

I’m imagining a dog like bullyson is the type you are referring to?

For all I know only from pics….

Yes he’s meaning V shaped from the front view. I like my dogs to be a little more rectangular than square, not drastic of course but enough so that you notice. There are two main things that determine how many hogs you can catch with a certain dog on a hunt. His ability to breath well and get enough air to stay cool and recover and then his disposition. A dog that’s made right will breath better. A dog that has an on/off switch recovers faster because they aren’t staying excited and worked up. Of course there is situational stuff that happens and can affect it but I think y’all get where I’m coming from.


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That v is from the front Semmes.