EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

My dogs don't do it. How do you teach a dog to go look for another pig once you get that one flipped?

Some dogs come more natural than others, but the main thing is exposure exposure exposure.  After they hunt awhile they figure it out soon enough.  Once they do the only problem you will have is trying to catch em before they roll out again if you are ready to go! O0

I have always called it relay. But I agree with nthoghunter, i dont think it is something that can be taught easily, they just have to figure it out.

I was thinking though, what if you got a big pen with a good bit of hogs, catch one, then get them to go to the next one.
Just keep doing this over and over again. Thats about the only way i could think to get them to relay.

A post is better with pictures. so here a couple i took with my phone. (http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/63/l_5cc93589e4914aa6b86c23edbe12c455.jpg)
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/110/l_84d51ee8fd5042ac8119aecab3a0808e.jpg)
(http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_95f3d1fef07a436899ddd10545040806.jpg)

    Believe everyone is telling you right. Lots of hunting or if possible hunt them with dogs that do. As my hunting buddy and I have gotten older we have got wiser. One of us goes for the pig the other for the dogs.

This is definately one of the more difficult things to teach young dogs but also one of the more beneficial.  When you get your dogs to roll, not only is it nice to have them out of your way but your hog numbers will greatly increase.  I would say more times than not, when your dogs find a hog it was not the only hog in the area. 

Usually, the more catchy the dog the harder it is because they want to hang around and bite on the catch.  What you don't want to do is come across to the dog like he/she has done something wrong such as scolding or hollering.  What I recommend is as soon as possible, lead the dogs back out and don't let them come back.  Usually this will mean standing between them and the hog and when they try to come back, tell them to get ahead and block them.  It helps if you have someone along that knows whats going on and can help.  As soon as the hog is under control, one person needs to be responsible for getting the dogs led back out.  Just as young dogs learn that if they go look in the woods they can find a hog, they also learn that if they leave back out they can find another.

It usually takes a while and quite a bit of experience on the dogs part, but once you get them going it sure makes things more enjoyable at the bay.

Also unless circumstances require you to do so, I don't like to put my dogs (except catchdogs) on a lead and walk them out once a hog is caught.  This can inadvertently teach them that once a hog is found and caught, their job is complete.

If you are used to to tieing em, stick em for awile, the first couple times they'll probably stay around and chew on it, but after awile they usually lose interest in a dead hog and take off

The easiest way is if your dogs hunting buddy (dog he likes to hunt with) does it. Thats what i have noticed, let your pack or lead dog teach the young dogs b/c I am not talented enough of a dog trainer to teach commands like that. Be pat. they seem to figure out that kind of stuff around 2 yoa once they hunt with other dogs that do it for sure.

Gentics  Every dog I own better gets some under if there is more hogs!! I never let a pup bay while tieing or a tied hog!!When I catch than they are to go on!! but try and let some one else handle the hog and  you coach the young dog on!!!

Agreed...
 Bred right, ( genetics ) and exposure,  you will have a different problem, you have to put some handle in the good ones to to keep them from rolling out when ya ready to go home or leave a place.

I agree with all of the above.
Just don't allow any of your dogs to hang around and chew on a hog after it's caught. After awhile most of them will get the idea and then you will be having to catch them up as sson as you get to a hog to keeo them from leaving, if you are ready to go home.

That or just just keep hunting until they are tired.


As far as rolling out goes.  First they have to have the hunting drive and then its all about how you handle them.  Sometimes its more about what a person needs to aviod doing rather than what they need to do.  Don't ever let them get into the habit of chewing on a hog even a dog that will roll out can get into the bad habbit of chewing on a hog after its killed.  Don't encourage a young do to bark at a dead pig or a tied pig as training or to "show them what a pig is".  It might be fun at the time but it only breeds bad habits.  You might say they have to start somewhere but I say they need to start on a free, live pig in the wild.  It they cant hang with that then they are too young at the time or they are not suited for me personally.  Personally...I consider it the lazy way or the easy way out.  Thats not to say I have not done those things or will not do them again.  However, the more I do it the lazy way, the more I see the light and the less I like that way of doing it.  If I look back to the past, every dog I've started 100% in the woods has made a better strike dog and more inlcined to roll out than those that I've started on hobbled hogs or hogs in a pen.  Just my 2 cents.  Some might not care either way but If you want a certain kind of dog then you have to start with the right kind of stock put the effort into starting them the hard way in the woods rather than the easy way in a pen or on a hobbled shoat.

Here's a story about rolling out and a black Cur btch that anybody would have been proud to call thier own.  She would bay a group like any good Cur dog should and she could count hogs and would not stop untill all the hogs were dead or caught.  She had several nicknames...Midnight and Flashlight.  If you turned her loose at sunrise, it was bound to be midnight before she came back in or you would atleast need to take a flashlight and go get her.  One particular hunt in the mid 1980's about the time I was born this dog was in her prime.  It was winter time and perfect weather for a dog that was inclined to hunt all day and then some.  Just over a dozen hogs were bayed and shot that day. The men took a break at luch time to cook some sausage but Midnight stayed in the woods almost certainly baying hogs somewhere.  After lunch they tracked to midnight and she had a number of hogs bayed a hog was shot only for her to roll out and be gone on another hog.  This continued untill just before dark as the men approached another bay, each man just about tired of killing hogs.  One man asked who was gonna shoot the hog and another man said "Damned the hogs just catch that black dog".   ;D

Waylon 

Do you know the history on that black dog waylon and what she was breed and do your dogs go back to her??????????