EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I see some people that catch a good number of hogs in a hunt, and it has me thinking.  Is it the dogs, the land, or a combination?

Now, I have never caught a large number of hogs on one outing, my personal best is 10 hogs in one night. Next best was 8 hogs in a night.  The night with 10 hogs was a feedlot that we hunted in central Texas, and while it was dogged fairly often, it had free choice feed and the hogs came in every night and fed. We didn't have much in the way of dogs, we just dropped plenty on the ground, and often had multiple bays on that place.    Next place we caught plenty on, was a place that had never been dogged, we went in there, cleaned house a few times, then the hogs learned pretty quick that they better put it in high gear once they heard a dog.

I would have to say that in both of these cases, it was the land that produced the numbers, not the dogs. These days I have better dogs, and worse properties ;D  I would love to be able to hit the feedlot place with today's dogs, but that is not possible since some guys went in there with puppies and ran a bunch of cattle through the fences. >:(

Take the best hunt you have had, based on number of hogs caught, and was it a new property? one that consistently held hogs? A place that is dogged often?

Here's a pic of the feedlot hogs
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Honey holes are named that for a reason, of the few times I have cought over 5 in a day I would say it had a lot to do with where I was hunting than what I was hunting.... 

Chris how would you hunt there today?  Dogs 1.7 miles away while you are looking at 10 eating around a crib feeder haha  ;D  You would need to borrow my dogs so they would quite and come back to where the hogs are haha.  When hogs are thick like that I would want a couple of loose dog that would keep the hogs bunched and settled and a lot of bulldogs and helping hands....

Leave it to a friend to cut you deep! ;D

I would hope the dogs I have today have the sense to look for hogs close in too.  Hunted Annie and Brandy yesterday and they never went past a mile. Heck, they even had a nice group bayed in the open a couple hundred yards from us, until the spotted sow decided to leave the group.  ;D



I guess the honey hole, would be the spot that consistently holds large numbers of hogs?  regardless of the dogging influence?

I thought of the Fort Bend place last year as a honey hole, but even there we only caught 5+ a time or two. I think if I can consistently catch hogs at a place, then I consider it a honey hole, but I have never given much consideration to the number of hogs caught.

I would bet that both influence the outcome. Having the correct style of dogs on any particular property should maximize productivity. That being said, I would guess that most of our high number hunts were a product of the property more so than the dogs; being that we always hunt the same dogs or types of dogs.

Steve

It is all about the land to me, most of the land that we hunt there is a good number of hogs but it will take you a while to even find a fresh track, you could go one day and not catch a thing and go the next and catch 5 or 6.. I have one place that is a honey hole and we could catch 4-8 hogs in a hunt and turn around and go down the road and not catch notta. It is like deeer hunting, you can hunt one place all year and not see a deer and then go to another and they are like rats ;D

It's called "honey holes"... loaded with hogs. I've had and had the pleasure of hunting many of those... they don't last long when the pressure is put on them. Places you could go with puppies and pile hogs up like cord wood... good dogs will shine like internet super stars. ;D

Words of wisdom.  Preach it brother Mike!

I've always said "Hog hunting is 60% land, 30% Dogs, and 10% handler".......

The guys i know that catch PILES of hogs....don't want a dog that needs a tracking collar....They see no reason to wait for a dog when they can just go around the corner and throw out on another pack......

I believe it is a combination of both! if you dont have any hogs you arent going to catch any, that being said I remember a time 2 years ago I took a friend to Oklahoma to 10k acres that has more hogs than you can imagine. We hunted his 4 dogs all weekend and after seeing well over a hundred hogs and catching none I told him we were never going to catch a hog with these dogs. He went home and got rid of everything he had and started over.

It's all about WHERE you are hunting.. Some places you can catch hogs with any ol dog.. Some places it takes a little better dog or a different type dog, depending on how you look at it.
The most I've ever caught in one day was 16 but that don't happen very often..

It is mostly the land.
Most I have ever caught in a day was 22. But there was alot of dogs and alot of people and it was on a management area.

Its all about where you hunt...a lot of folks think they have bad @ss dogs because they hunt where the hogs are. I can get a dog at the pound that will bay a hog if I turn out on top of them. 

I believe that it's a combination of both sometimes, but I believe that the Land or area has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay moreeeeeeeeeeeeee to do with it.

Isnt that were you usually try to hunt is where the hogs are  ???   If the hogs are there, and the dogs are doing what they are suppose to, i would be happy with them. Granted, its going to take more hunt and work to find them in places the hogs are scarce. Its not the dogs fault there are alot of hogs in that area. The dog may not be bad @ss to some, but like its been said many many times, it all depends on what you like, how and where you hunt. Those dogs may be bad @ss in that hunting style and not be worth a nickel in others. JMO  ;)

by the way, if you know where some dogs are at the pound that will turn out and find hogs, let me know and i will take them!! that will save me alot of money on dogs!!  ;D

Which is why i always said, i would rather have a dog that hunts in a lessor populated area and finding hogs than one that hunts in the most populated area and find hogs, and to answer your question twilebanks there is some at the dallas pound if you are seriously intersted and hunt in a area that is loaded with pigs i have bought a few from there and many of them will BAY(which is what he said) a hog read my signature ;) they just dont hunt most of the time but bay a hog they will, i had one guy call me for a dog once and i told him i had a stike dog for sale and he said he didnt need one to find the hogs he knew were the hogs were just need a dog to bark at em 8)

lol . i think my wife would kick me out if i got anymore dogs  rolleyes . I was just expressing a opinion, i know exactly what he is talking about. I dont hunt many places that are hog heavy, but i know people that do and they may not have the best dogs but they are getting the job done. places like that are good to hunt especially for young dogs ( and those dogs from the pound )  ;D

elliscounty, by the way, i like your signature, i know ive wasted time and money on dogs like that  rolleyes
I would have been better off getting dogs from the pound  ;D

t, Im not saying there is anything wrong with turning out on top of hogs..a lot of the places i hunt I go there because Ive seen fresh sign and know the hogs are in the area...I just meant that you cant do that and then claim to have great dogs, because they didnt do anything special.  Maybe this makes more sense...if you hunt where the hogs are(I mean a lot of hogs), the dogs are supposed to find them, they do the job they were born (or bought) to do, thats nothing special or worth bragging about in my book, thats expected from a hog dog.  

Or maybe my standards are too high  ???

 im with you on that one  ;)

The most I have caught is 11 in one day. The place that I was on never have been hunted at all. Man I tell you I was one tired person after the last hog we got.

I believe it's a combination of both. Land plays a part, but you still have to have dogs that are able to get it done.

I definately think hog density on the land is the biggest factor.  The best dogs in the world can't bay hogs where there are none.

A major thing that will definately up your numbers is dogs that will roll off once the hog is legged.  I would say more times than not when a hog is struck, it was not alone.  Even the ten minutes it might take to get a hog tied and the dogs back out hunting can put a lot of space between you and the group that left out.

I notice alot of these comments are comming from people who claim to catch alot of hogs, Soooo? are you saying your dogs suck but you have lots of hogs?

Whats wrong with the thought that thier might be some hunters out there that have good dogs? Dogs that go out and find a hog when you dont turn them out on top of one? Dogs that will roll out after catching a hog and find another one, after another, after another?

you know whats funny?  according to this thread you dont really need a good dog to find bay and catch hogs! and this thread comes on the same day that I post a thread about catching 23 hogs this week! and being proud of our young pack. I didnt realize all these years how easy catching hogs really is.

all you have to do is turn any old dog out just anywhere because we all know there are so many hogs just anywhere you go!

this is not only funny its obsurd

raider54, Although some people are roasting you because they find it un-believable that there are dogs good and capable enough to find that many hogs in a week, I think the majority of the flack you are catching is because your earlier thread sort of came off as bragging. I know you probably didn't mean it that way, but I think alot of people took it like that. Also the fact that BadBoar30 said "i dare any of u to challenge their dogs" didn't help any.. ;D.. Either way 25 hogs in a week is impressive. It sounds like yall have some good dogs and are really proud of them and their accomplishments.

IT SHOULDNT MATTER HOW HE CAME OFF THAT DUDES A MODERATER. HE SHOULD CONDUCT HIMSELF IN A MORE PROFESSIONAL MANNER RAHTER THAN JUST TRYING TO START A THREAD JUST STIR THE POT. IT WAS OBVOIUSLY CALLING THIS GUYS NUMBERS AND DOGS INTO QUESTION.

I personally don't see where Chris was trying to stir the pot, but that’s just me. If you will go back and look, there have been numerous posts, where another thread has raised Chris's curiosity and sparked him to make a thread. I can't blame someone for wanting to do their homework. I'd be a little more careful before presuming someone's intentions.

OK, if it makes you feel any better. I believe I said something about you not doing your homework.  ;D

ITS NOT THAT SERIOUS THAT I NEED TO DO ANY TYPE OF HOME WORK DUDE. UNLIKE YOU I CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN I CAN TELL WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.  I KNOW NEITHER PARTIES. I HAVE SEEN OTHER POSTS WHERE THE MODS ARE QUESTIONING EVERYTHING.  NEVER SEEN SO MANY HATERS!

 SO APPARENTLY YOU HAVE LET YOUR CRUSH OVER THIS GUY GET IN THE WAY OF SEEING WHAT IS TRUE.  IM DONE

WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR POST?

pphogdogger,

you need to chill before you go off and make accusations about my intentions with this thread.  

I may be a moderator, but I am also open to learning and having a dialogue about something  that peaks my interest. Rather than jack raiders thread, I started my own. For the record, I am quite impressed with the numbers that he and several others on ethd are able to produce.  Additionally, I would like to add that I did not and do not question this guys numbers or his dogs. I have no reason to believe he is stating anything other than the truth.

now if you cannot accept that, I suggest you find some other forum to post on.  If you would like to have any more dialogue regarding this issue, feel free to call me  

LMAO..You seemed to be getting a little worked up for it not to be that serious. I've met Chris all of two times and have never met raider54, so I'm not quite sure that would be validating enough to put me on the inside.
So basically what you said makes no sense. It seems to me by you mentioning " I HAVE SEEN OTHER POSTS WHERE THE MODS ARE QUESTIONING EVERYTHING" that you already hold personal feelings against the moderators, where obviously your feeling must have been hurt. That would sort of go against your whole "OUTSIDE LOOKING IN " innuendo. BTW..Your crush statement was just a lame attempt to get at me, because none of what you said makes any sense, Dude...lol

ok ill play,   

     first off  raider you have mis- interpeted this thread, you think this is aimed at you.   when it is purely a question to the board, if you have hunted long enough you would know that you can have the best dogs in the world and if there arent any hogs around than you go home empty handed,  so yes having a good hog population helps alot..

and pphogdogger i think you have some healing up to do over something else, to jump in like that..


you guys maynot know it but the guys that repleyed to this thread have more experience an as good of dogs as anybody.

Chris my comment wasnt dirrected at you but there is someone on here that never misses an oppertunity to try and start some Crap with me but it will be catching up with him soon! I do appologize for the trouble. Our door is always open for anyone to come hunt with us! and BRAGGING? I have two sons in Combat right now, the last thing I need to bragg on is a dog!

guys, guys, guys

Circle C  may not have been saying anything but i seen what the raider said and was like that is pretty funny. Then I used what I have seen in the past and developed an opinion.  CRIME popo I guess if not the majorities.


 no phone calls are needed. i was under the impression that it was an open forum. ill leave my opinion at the door next time.

to the other guy you know why i posted what i did. i stand by my word and will never make a statement and then retract it to make it sound in a totally different tone.  about getting defensive i dont remember asking about your friendship resume' with circle c , so i dont know where that came up.  if my post doesn't make perfect sense to you i dont know what to tell you.  besides re-read it and if that dont work read it again. i thought at least i got across what i wanted, but you cant please everyone i guess

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I believe Ive already said that!

I believe it is a combination of both! if you dont have any hogs you arent going to catch any

Its land, handlers and dogs. The people who catch lots of hogs have 1) the hog #s 2) a great plan of attack and can execute it 3) the dogs to back it up.

The most underated by most people is experience hunting, creating that plan of attack. People with alot of experience hunting are usually the most efficient at catching hogs and putting up big numbers. The idea that you put the dogs down and let them do all the work is not true, IMO, no matter how much we joke about it.

Well said Eric

well im glad we cleared that up so we can move on.. ;D

X2  Mr. Eric

I guess you just have to explain it to some people... ;D

From your quote you said "Unlike You"(you were referencing me) that you could look at it from the outside looking in because you didn't know either parties. So you must have assumed that I knew one of them. Which led me to null your statement and show that it made no sense with the so called "friendship resume". That should be broken down Barney style enough to solve your first question.
 Now with you also stating that you could “LOOK AT IT FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN”. That would suggest that you “KNOW NEITHER PARTIES” and tried to make it sound as though I was biased, but you then undermined yourself again by saying “I HAVE SEEN OTHER POSTS WHERE THE MODS ARE QUESTIONING EVERYTHING” which proves that you are the one that is actually biased. If you’d like I may be able to draw some stick figures to help you interpret this.

OK , JESUS DUDE. JUST STOP ITS EMBARRASSING .  YOU WIN!!!  I CANT BELIEVE YOU WOULD WASTE YOUR TIME TO BREAK DOWN EVERY WORD IN MY STATEMENT INTO TO A Q&A PARAGRAPH FORM.   WOW!

PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK I CANT COMPETE WITH THAT.

I guess I missed all the fun... it's my turn to play now. >:D

PPHOGDOGGER, evidently you have a big problem with my moderators and how this board is ran... i'll solve that problem for you. ;)

And while we're at, if anyone has a question or concern about how myself or one of my moderators conduct themselves... then contact me directly and we'll resolve the issue.

Yes, it is an open public forum... but bad mouthing the ones that run it will not be tolerated.

 :angel:

All the good stuff happens after my bed time.......

x2, thats what i was thinking, im on here atleast 8 to 12 hours ( when im at work  >:D ) and read most of the threads posted, and i still miss the good ones!  ;D

And the axe man cometh.  May your swing be strong and your aim be true.  >:D

 [/quote]Chris my comment wasnt dirrected at you but there is someone on here that never misses an oppertunity to try and start some Crap with me but it will be catching up with him soon! I do appologize for the trouble. Our door is always open for anyone to come hunt with us! and BRAGGING? I have two sons in Combat right now, the last thing I need to bragg on is a dog!
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I didnt read anyone trying to directly start crap with you, was it me? If so feel free to call me pm sent(did think about people giving me threat calls) rolleyes

I think what Eric said is pretty accurate. It might be one of those factors or a combination there of.

I catch a fair amount of hogs....I probably only have average dogs...but I have good hunting places and a style of hunting that works good for me and my dogs.

Others I hunt with like Bryant or got2catchem have really good dogs and probably average hunting places and average number of hogs.

Others may catch lots of hogs because of those three factors or because they hunt 5 or 6 times a week.

I think most people have success for different reasons.

Rex,

   Are you talking about large numbers on a single hunt, or a large number for the year, or both?

Yeah...I kinda mixed the two...whoops.

I was originally talking about a single hunt. Then I added the last comment referring to a yearly reference.

Chris asked for opinions and I threw mine out there. It was not aimed at anyone. If someone took offense to it, too bad, its my opinion, this is a public forum, and Im entitled to express it the same way anyone else is.  If I had something to say to or about someone on here I would direct it to them, period. 

i think it has to do mostly with the dogs and some with the places if you have dogs that bump of as soon as the catch dogs get their are right after you get there you are goin to catch more hogs then you would if your strike dogs are still hanging around after you have killed the hog. the most i have ever killed is 24 in one day and thats all with dogs. the other thing i think has alot to do with it is if you hunt in the day time are night time most of the time when we hunt at night we catch around 3 to 5 hogs but in the moring we always seem to catch alot more.

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28 in a DAY that is impressive, heck i am tired after 3 or 4 :). Bet the dogs were have a fun time though

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Is this "Days of or lives", "As the hogdoggin world turns" or a "Dallas" re-run?  rolleyes

        I agree 100%

Also I would say that KNOWING the land you are hunting plays a big part in it. which goes with what Eric said.

Yeah, that helps too, it seems like the hogs like to hang out in a few spots time after time. Also, something Ive wondered, a few places I hunt, when the hogs run, 95% of the time, they run to the same place. I know it must be different hogs, I just cant figure on how they know to run SW instead of NE or some other direction   ???