EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Dont know a dang thing about bird dogs, but have heard that they are pretty gritty and fast, and can hunt all day. got to hunt with a bird x bulldog RCD this weekend and was impressed, just wondering which ones work better, or just what the differences are between them. GSP and english pointer.

I've seen a pile of english crosses... never seen any GSP crosses... may be a reason for it?

Here in Hawaii there are alot of guys running the GSP cross and also a few with english pointers but I have never hunted with a English. I do have a GSP/Lab that was supposed to be for birds but recently my step dad gave up on him and told me to take him so he will be running with my pack soon. My brother in law is running his brother and while he can track a pig he lacks the size to hold one by himself. I believe I posted a pic somewhere on here of my GSP/Lab, I will find it for ya if you need me to!

do you know a sean woolsey over there in Hawaii?

gsp and german wirehair pointers are used a lot in crosses over in Australia. 

Tnhillbilly- Nope can't say I do!

I have a GSP that will strike and catch his own pig and will not bark at all so i just use him as a RCD!!!

Just wonderin, he is a hog hunter, sending him a young plott dog in a couple months.
Thanks

We have two GSP x with bmc and they have lots of drive. We have a 3/4 bmc, 1/4 catahoula and when he is plum give out, our male GSP x bmc is still going strong. The only thing is that he is one rough dog. His sister isn't as rough (Yet). But I am deffinately a believer in this cross. ;)

Thanks for the input, i have heard that a couple times, that the bird dogs still goin strong after other dogs give out. but is it, conformation, are they just built better, or is it just pure drive, desire?

I forgot to meantion that they mature later then alot of other breeds or at least that is what I have found. They are like a hyper child that has raided the candy jar! lol

They are a huntin machine. The EP/pit crosses tend to range further than the GSP/pit crosses. They do usually wind, have awesome endurance and want to hunt all day. Here in Georgia the EP/Pit cross is VERY popular. If your interested, I know a man who raises a dang good line of bird/bull dogs. Send me a PM and I give you his name and number. I bought two myself.

Tnhillbilly, I think that it is a strong prey drive because I can't see any better conformation in them. They become very intent on getting a hog.


BigAinaBuilt, the late maturing that you are seeing may be coming from the lab side because we got our gsp x bmc's when they were around 3 or 4 months and had them hunting at 6 months. Of course that may be the bmc side. I can clearly see that our bmc's mature much faster than our catahoula's. Good Lord!!!! A catahoula before it turns two is like a rat on acid!!!!!!! LOL Or at least the line that we have is.

I HAVE A HALF BMC HALF POINTER THATS 6 MO. OLD AND IS A LITTLE BAD A$$. VERY CATCHY AND WILL BAY LIKE A 2 YR OLD -- NOT LOOSING INTEREST FOR MUCH LONGER THAN I WOULD EVER EXPECT A PUPPY TO BAY A HOG THAT IS NOT MOVING! IF HE WERE YELLOW WITH A BLACK MUZZLE I WOULD KEEP HM  ;D

Make-em-squeel, does that mean that your pup is for sale?????? >:D

Me and my dad just got English Pointers. MrMud can I train them for birds and hogs or is one or the other? The EP's fell in my lap so I took them thinking I would have to wait for a hog dog. I can build a bay pen or whatever to teach them what a pig is.

Is there a certain strain of either GSP or EP that are better suited for hogs? i have been wanting to cross some bird dog into some of my dogs, tried it once EP x redtick hound, i didnt like them, they were not gritty/gamey at all. maybe i should have give them a little more time, but if they dont show intrest at 10 months old i wont keep them.

Seems like there are dogs in every litter that just wont hunt. :-\  Tnhillbilly, was the redtick that you bred an outstanding hog dog? And the EP a hunting dog as well?  I do believe that prey drive has been bred out of many dogs, so it is important to breed two outstanding hunting dogs to increase the chances that the offspring will inherit the parents prey drive. But it is still pretty much a crap shoot.

I breed a half blackmouth half plott gype to a full blooded german shorthair  sure enough bird dog one time, and ended up raising a sold black gyp out of that breeding that was a hog dog.  I ended up selling her for 2K and kicked myself ever since. Mike that was that Sally dog that was the momma, that was at the BDO years ago. I think I could have bred her to just about anything and got some good dogs. I retired her and she started hanging out up at my mothers house, and momma took her and had her fixed.LOL

I hunted behind a couple bird dogs a week ago, they were young and didn't do much, but they sure do hustle in the woods.
I wouldn't mind trying a straight or mix out.

Drue, I remember Sally... hope you got a bunch pups out of her before your momma got to her. ;D

I've hunted with several pointer/cur crosses. Most of them were wound up, real hyper dogs and burned the woods up hunting.

Noah has three cur/EP crosses that I have hunted with. They aren't long range dogs but hustle, seem to have decent noses, are gritty (too gritty for Noah at times I think!) and the thing I liked most about them is, they seem to be more heat tolerant than my straight cur dogs. I wouldn't mind breeding Monkey to a EP or EP/cur cross and try to put some of that heat tolerance in my dogs.

My Crow dog is a 1/4 EP 3/4 BMC and I am pleased with him.  He has his faults but for the most part I like him.  I always laugh when I hear about these rough bird dog crosses, he is the one dog you can count on to not lay a tooth on a hog even when the catch dog gets there, been that way his whole life.

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Our female, Sweetpea

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the dog on the left is our male, Red.
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The red tick was a good hog and bear dog, above average, the EP however was nothing more than a yard dog that was supposed to be top of the line blood lines out of miss. but you know how that goes rolleyes :-\

I wonder why some of the EP/Cur crosses come black in color? I don't recall ever seeing a black EP, but when an EP is bred to a yellow or red cur a percentage of the pups will come black....one black one was posted on this thread, Noah has a black one and a buddy of mine in S. Fla has some GSP/Curs that are black too........wonder what it is in crossing the birddogs and curs that makes them come black??

Yeah, I have noticed that too Mark.
One of my friends picked up a couple of cur/ep from Jake Kibby and they were all black.

Yea i bought me a English pointer to make a cross. Just waiting on her to cycle. May be making a mistake cause she want bay a hog. She is a hunting machine when it comes to bird hunting though. I asked the guy i got her from and he told me the difference between EP and GSP is the EP's have long tails and the GSP's are bobbed.

my brother picked up a couple of 1/2 ep 1/2stag to breed to our cur,catahoula ,lacy,hound cross dogs hope it works there 5 months old and the lady said they was 3miles from the house the other day

My EP came to me from a more or less pet home but had the training for birds, anyway after killing the pet ducks she was passed on. I liked the gyp alot, She would strike and hunt until her feet would bleed not just wear the pads off, and then she woul still hunt more but trying to walk on the sides of her feet.
She was not too gritty for me, matter as fact she won money in a baying competition in Nixon one time I took her. She would tree a squiorrel here at the house and trashed on them a few times in the woods. She was extremely easily handling dog. I bred her to my favorite Uglydog once, and yes they produced several blacks and now from those pups they will also produce several blacks in the litter. She even pointe pigs in brush for me, like they were quail.

Here is the thing about this one dog, and only pure bred EP I have ever owned. Her bones were pettite and brittle, she had her ribs broken several times by hogs. I believe that to be because they were bred to hold a point rather than bay and work like a stock dog does. My theory is many times she would be in front of the hogs she had bayed and rather than move her feet and get out of the way when the hogs charged her, she would get nailed right in the chest, thats why alot of broken ribs.
Her pups hustle like EP but bay like a cur dog. She had plenty of heart and no quit to her, and if I had another like her, I would put her up for breeding, but thats hindsight, too late now.