EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Anybody eles have abunch of runners on there lease seems like every hog i have been on this year have ran him for a hour or two before he finaly stops and bays, ran one for three hours this mornig and never shut him down

get ready for more of it. more hog hunters= more running hogs.just have to have some dogs tough enough to hang with em

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Nope, I started just turning out one bay dog and theyve been baying up real nice ;D

thats all i run is one bay dog and a 7 month old puppy both dog are rough sink teeth in a hog to get it stoped the hog this morn kept makin circles in about a 300 acre block of woods watched him cross the road in the same spot twice each time the dogs were bout 10 min behind him guess iam just going to have to start shooting them like deer when they cross the road

I've tried it all, loose dogs, rough dogs, 1-2 dogs only, etc. We catch a lot of pigs, but they are surely getting faster and smarter. They don't take a bay like they did 3 years ago or before. I think the solution is simple. Less bay dogs and more RCD's. The slow hogs are being caught, and the faster, smarter hogs are breeding out the dumb, slower hogs. I knew it was coming and it's gonna get worse. Stagg, ridgebacks, greyhound crosses, are gonna become the future for a better hunt.

It's actually funny to hear you say that PiglyWigly! I was told the same thing by a few guys that I hunt with here and by a few guys that live on the mainland that eventually the guys who live by the Linebred breeds will "see the light" and be forced to cross more grit and speed into their lines! Only time will tell I guess!! We still have a few guys who pay big $ to bring in pure lines from Texas and Louisianna and still catch pigs so I am not sure exactly how true this statement is but think it would be a great thing to document and look into!

The days of baying a group of hogs and marking the ones u want are just about over fellers.  I have just about come to the conclusion,, that a man is gonna need dogs that are simply put ROUGH. And with that I mean dont want to bay, just reach and grab and hold.  But along with that comes DEAD dogs or plenty of money at the vet.  But you got to ask your self this Question:  Do you want to find hogs and run em, or do you want to find hogs and catch em.

I believe there are plenty of hogs out their that your gonna have to run to catch no matter what kind of dogs you have. I personally like the challenge of a runner. The quick catches are work and the runners are sport for me and my dogs. Aint nothing like a dog with all that bottom to put it on them race horse hogs in my book.
BigAinaBuilt. The guys line breeding hog dogs saw the light a long long time ago! Thats why they have consistently kept exceptional dogs for the past 20, 30, and 40 years. Thay are always breeding to improve their blood and not just maintaining it.  ;)

i believe the dogs will adapt just as the hogs have im not the smartest and don't claim or will never claim to be but i have been hearin about runners for years now and don't think people are realizin that the dogs are evolving to because there will always be hogs you won't stop unless you put a bullet in his head its just that way anyone who claims their dogs can catch anything haven't been huntin to long this is just my opinion

dont get me wrong i love a good challange  and love nothing more than to see my dogs run a hog for two or three hours then stop it and bay it but it just seem here lately these hogs have no quit in  them but iam glad to see iam not the only one whos dogs are getting burnt

my  freezer  has  plenty  of  meat  in it ..... i  like  the hunt ...  i like  findinga   giid  track  and  trying  to  figure  out  where  he  lays ........i  like  to  put a  dog  on  old  tracks  or  sign a nd  set  back  and  watch  him  try  and  work  it  up ...... if  i  get  out  run  oh  well .....  i  have  run  hogs  with  ruff  dogs and  dogs  not  ruff ......how  much  ruffer  can  you get  when a  hog  breaks  on  2  bulldogs  and  out  runs  the whole  pack  and  gone  never  to  be  stopped .......nothing  you  can  come  up  with  will  work  everytime ........ actually  i  could  catch  more  hog  in a  trap .....that  why  i  cut  boars  all  summer  out  of  traps ......then  i hunt  barrs  in the  winter ....

it's not that I don't like to hear a good loud bay, it's just more logical to use less bay and more RCD's on the ground. leggy dogs are gonna run down more, but aren't gonna work in some terrian. This is why I'm fixing to have 4 different CD's. not saying my way is best, but like you said, "some people will never see the light." besides, some people are so stuck in their old ways or just too close-minded, they will never figure it out. Look at gps technology, everybody knocked it at first, now look what's on every dogs neck in these pictures. that's why those of us who evolve with the pigs will catch more hogs. Good luck to everybody.

yea larry your right...i guess just as long my dogs are finding them and running them all over thats bout all i can ask from them....guess you cant catch them all...and just wanted to tell you parker i have had the chance to hunt with your old bill dog the past couple years and he is one hell of a hog dog wish i could have hunted with him before he got his back leg hurt

put some gritty dogs on the job they might get cut a bit but he will stop

I hunt in Georgia and here there are alot of hog hunters. I have one spot where the hogs DON'T bay. In three years I've had two hogs that stood and bayed. Big boars. The rest run after one bark from my single dog. I have friends that hunt in farm country south of me and the hogs there run also. If you have lots of room you can run a dog with lots of bottom. Some properties are just too small for that.
I am gonna have "2" packs of dogs. One really catchy for smaller areas and one or two dogs that are looser baying and lotta bottom for really big areas with less hog density. I realize that rough dogs get hurt more but thats part of it. Ideally I want my rough dogs to hunt within sight of me and all to run together. I have several large RCD's that can hold any hog.
I was just thinking yesterday I could have caught double the number of hogs this year if my dogs were catchy. I know a fella who runs all catchy dogs. He don't have many that get away. His dogs all weigh around 45 lbs. The key I have noticed from talking with him and hunting with him is the dogs have to stick together. An independent dog is asking for trouble.
Running hogs are the future. Just ask the old timers in Hawaii, they can tell you about the hogs there and on different islands how the hogs have adapted to hunters.

ok i have access to a 50 acre trap hog proof and you can take the same hog same dogs everyday and the hog never bays the same sometimes he runs sometimes he don't im just sayin a hog will run dependin on lots of things and ya you can go in with rough dogs and catch him faster than with loose dogs that's why i have different dogs and as stated above they have to work together

My dogs will stop a hog in its tracks pretty dang quick, we dont really worry about runners anymore lol

i hunted a spot for a wile with 2 rough bay dogs that would stop and catch smaller hogs without a catchdog but when i got on big hogs they would break and run when the dogs tried them you would hear them stop and bay for a minute hear the dogs hit it then off to the races again we brang a buddy with a real good bay dog that would not touch a hog just kind of look at it and yip every once in a while we would sneak up with cd and we did good like that these hogs seemed to stay put if you dident put too much pressure on them

i don't  know  how  everybody  elses  places  is  but there  i s way  more  small  shoats  and  sows  where  i hunt  than  huge  boars .....i  will  not  hunt  dogs  that  mangle  up  the  hogs .....thats  just  me .... i  try  and  manage  where  i hunt ......the  people  that hunt  on  invites  usually  run  alligators ...

I did just about the same thing yesterday. Doesnt help when you only have pups and hogs that run 5 miles. Yes it gets aggrevating to say the least.

what kind of dogs do you have?

Around here were I live if you do not have dogs that sink teeth and get ruff you might as well stay home.  These boars around here just seem to keep getting badder and badder and run , run , run !  Only way you going to stop them with loose dogs is chase them for miles at a time till they decide they want to get caught and that is not a easy thing .  Stop'em is the name of the game .

Seems like a lot of folks on here think their way is the best way and the folks with the loose baying dogs think rough dogs are not necessary. Not all of us have HUGE properties where you can run a hog for miles and not leave the property. I have hunted several properties where the hogs DON'T bay for any dog. They run when the think they hear a dog and or a 4 wheeler. The smartest hogs hang in thick stuff where a dog can't keep up with them. If you don't catch them right away your in for a long day. The hogs with more russian seem to run more than the old fat hogs of years gone by.

I have hunted with RCD, Curr dogs, 1/2 Cur 1/2 Hounds, and any where from 1-8 dogs on the ground, and where from 1-4 catch dogs. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. Depends on where you are hunting and what you are trying to accomplish in my opinion.

My Current set up is one loose old cur dog. If the hog breaks on her I have two wide eyed, fast, cur Xs I will cut loose that I have seen flat out run a hog down. Some times I use 2 bulldogs and some times I will shoot them. Going to see how this works out this grain season.

I agree that loose dogs are the way to start but are not always the answer. Some hogs run at first bark, especially if you hunt the same spot 4 or 5 times a week, and having 2 miles to run the hog down is not always an option. At the same time, RCDs are the main ingredient in a disaster pie, and it will happen sooner or later.

I don't see anyone saying their way is the best way... just people stating what they like and why.

I started with a pack of rough dogs that would catch any hog in the woods, never used a catch dog. I kept the ones that got smart and sent the rough ones to new homes... I don't any of them are still alive.

I enjoy hearing and watching a good bay, then sending in the catch dog. My dogs live longer, hardly ever get cut... and I still catch a few hogs. ;D

We hunt some properties that are just like y'all mention... run, run, run. The fellas I bring with rough dogs have the same results... no matter how rough or loose or fast or slow the dog, they can't keep up with a hog in the thick stuff. I see it over and over and over, that's why I feel bottom is what gets those type of hogs caught.

Even then, we're not gonna catch them all. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be any hogs for us to hunt because they'd all be gone by now. ;D

Hey guys! I just got back from the forest and this is the first thread I see!  :laugh: I learned a damn good lesson today, When you have fast rough dogs that have the ability to get one stopped even if it takes a mile you still come home empty handed if you can't hear them once they stop!

 I was heading out of the forest and had a boar start blowing and take off downhill and so all 3 of my dogs take off after it. I stand there anticipating the stop and the collision when my Whippet/ Bull returns after a 20 minute chase. I stood there hoping to hear the other 2 get him stopped and it never happens! I stand there for another 25 minutes waiting before calling them back but they never return! After 45 minutes after they took off I start heading back down outta the forest the whole way out calling for them and not hearing anything but the forest and the birds. When I reach the bottom of the forest I call one last time and decide to get back to the truck, By this time they had been out 1 hour and a 1/2 and my dogs usually will try and stop um for bout 20 minutes and then they know to let it go and come back so I am just about flippin out by this point and expecting the worst. I am about 1 mile from the truck as I make my way I am still calling for them to come to me when up walks my Shepherd cross looking beat down and fatigued but the other dog is still out so I make my way to the truck and plan to wait there. As I meet up with my Shepherd I give him a glance over and find a few patches of hair shaved so I figured they must have had stopped the boar but I couldn't hear them. I get back to the truck and there is my other dog in the same shape as my Shepherd lying under the truck! I had plans to buy a Garmin but ended up having those surprise bills pop up but I now am convinced it is time to work some over time and get me a system!

 After looking over the dogs I am convinced they had the boar stopped somewhere outta ear reach and stuck with him for quite awhile! From where the boar took off to the truck was about 2 miles downhill through gulches. Owell thats how it goes! I will be back out there again and hopefully next time they get him stopped closer or at least in better terrain!

I had a guided hunt this morning on one of these properties. I either catch the hogs were the dogs find them or we better have a sack lunch if we get one a runner.
Well we got on a runner!
The dogs found a huge boar that just wouldn't stay put for nothing! Its the same old story on that place. I ended up cutting the dogs off after over 4 hours of running this hog due to obligations to the hunting party I had left standing in the woods waiting on me to get back.
It about killed me to do it but there will be another day for that boar. I was 3 properties over and 2.5 miles from where the dogs started it. It ran mostly giant circles around that place until he picked a straight line and headed for the next county. At least the runners are pretty predictable on this place.
I could have shot him when he came out of the woods were I had planned to cute the dogs off. He almost ran over the top of my and the land owners son wile we where sitting on the 4-wheeler. :o That poor kid probably wont sleep well tonight. lol

Like I said, I like the sport in runners but they suck when you have a party out that just wants to stick a hog. I was sure proud of my dogs though. I had a 10 month old plott/cur cross I dropped on the track a little over an hour into the race. The other dogs had about 750 yards on her when I did. She caught up and stayed right with the other dogs until I cute them off almost 3 hours later. She is a experimental x from two breeders and I was happy to try a pup for them when they offered. We dont know what to expect out of them yet but Im liking what Im seeing so far.

Well. thats hog hunting for ya these days. ;)

Kyle0329,

I think you jinksed the weekend when you started this thread! lol. Another friend of mine got on a bad runner today. They ran the boar for almost 3 hours before they got it stopped.

Like a lot of us have been saying, this story is getting told by more and more faces. All of which have great dogs who are capable of stopping a hog. The future of doggin hogs is about to change. It's coming soon.

Here is a couple of old threads that fall in line with the subject of Runners.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6669.msg56247#msg56247

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=4829.0

Boarninja glad to see they got one stoped

 Its hard to beat the feeling and the pride I have in my dogs when they put an end to one of these marathon runners! I use to think they were only smaller or average size hogs that ran like this but they come in all shapes and sizes. That boar I ran yesterday was a giant. He was packing a little Ivory also. Thats usually the kind of hog to make a stand and hardly run at all from what I have seen in the past.
 
Last year we jumped and ran a extremely piggy sow that weighed in around the 250 pound mark. She ran in a straight line from us stopping 2.57 miles away. We were on our way but she only bayed for about 5 minutes. The Garmin showed the dogs cumming straight back up the trail they had just chased the hog down. I knew that old dog of my sons wouldnt quit so we stopped and waited. She got stopped for good about the time she got back to us. Over a 5 mile round trip! She was just about ready to through that litter of pigs and she was so fat I wonderd if her belly didnt drag the ground. Even that didnt keep her from running 5 mile almost non stop.

Been through this before, but my question is, those of you with rough dogs that you claim will stop any hog in the woods, how do you know that thats what happening? Have you ever seen a dog that can keep up with a hog in a thicket? I havent. The key is to have dogs with the heart and bottom to stay with a big hog til he wants to stop, IMO. 

If you got the land and then a ride to the hog when he "decides" to stop then heart and bottom will work as the pig will stop eventually but if the objective is to get it stopped quickly then you've got to put the dogs that will grab ass n balls till he don't like it any more. I have a dog that can keep up with any pig in the thicket but when they stop is when her faults (size,nipping grab) costs us pigs.

What I am saying is even with a dog that is 22 inches at the shoulder with a 17 inch head and possible of jumping through a 2' x 1' squares at 20+ mph there is still alot of figuring out to do in order to gaurantee a pig every time it is hit!

Txhoghunter I think you said that perfect! ;)  Where I hunt every hog is a runner I have ruff, silent, open, fast, small, and big they all have there purposes. For isnstance I have a gyp acually the best dog on my place is a semi open english hound she will bay a shoult with out catchin it and she has bayed many many bad runnin boars she has done it in 10 min and had her put the hog at the end of a 14 hr race. My point is its not up to the dog its up to the hog. In my experience if the hog dont feel pressured he will stand back and bay. JMO :) And im also like parker I turn 99% 0f the hogs back loose or relocate them. I dont like the hogs bein mangled up I do it for the sport! I cut any boar thats not russian and leave the nuts in the russian! I love the race and challenge of a russian runner!!! :o

14 hours!!! :o

I would get that sucker mounted!!! That is one impressive hog and dog to put on that kind of race! What kind of size did it have to it? Lie to me if it was a shoult! lol

You are correct that no dog can hang in real thick brush nor will a dog be able to stop a hog %100 of the time. If you are hunting super thick stuff with running hogs, loose with bottom would be the way I would go also if at all possible. That is how we hunted in Three Rivers with the hound crosses.

In some cases like where I hunt it is grain fields and river bottom you can use fast dogs and they can be effective at shutting running hogs down. I have see this pair of my dogs on more that one occasion run down a hog and make it stop on the river bottom. That is well worth it to me because I have had dogs with bottom out there and we spent more time hunting dogs than hogs. Plus, if the hogs cross the river they are home free. Again, they are not batting %100, but they are more effective when they are there, then when they are not.

I am not sure what people call "rough" but I don't consider these dogs rough, but they aren't loose either. That is just my take on this, if any one wants together and test some e-net talk in the woods I would be glad to. :)

Not everyone is hunting on land where you can legally run a hog until it stops. Not every hog can be stopped but the key with rough dogs is to try and stop them from running. A runner ain't going to far to fast with a pack of dogs hanging off of him. I mentioned earlier about folks thinking their way is best, comments about heart and bottom are what I was talking about. I hunted this past weekend on a 400 acre tract of land within the city limits next to a really big interstate, would you rather catch a hog on the spot or give him a chance to run so your bottomless dogs can do their thing ?

Yep these hogs now a days have their tennis shoes on but if you all keep haveing trouble with them let me know ;D. I got some muts that will have a whole hind quarter pull off of a running hog >:D. If he breaks once he better leave the country because them long legged muts of mine are going to have him sitting on his back side the next time he stops. I call em "nut dogs". I like em to bay but if they run, I want my dogs to sink them teeth in there backside and hold on until he stops and bays. I have hunted with a lot of diferent hunters and if you have a dog that will chase a hog then you will more than likely not catch the hog, but if you have dogs that bit one and turn one then he will bay up. You just got to have a dog with the right amount of stop and bay. When my dogs bay and the hog breaks, you will not hear anything until you hear that hog grunting a second because one of them has done hit him in the back side, then you will hear them bay again. This is just my opinion about my worthless muts and the way we hunt down here. I don't have any Catch Dogs either so there are not to many people that hunt like me. I still catch alot of hogs and a lot of big hogs with just a bunch of yellow mutts ;D

Cant beat them nut dogs mutts ktchemwcurs! lol.
What kind of country do you hunt?
I have had dogs fully castrate a bad runner on a few occasions. Seems like it made them run harder! lol But more probably do get shut down by dogs like yours in the right country. I dont know. They are your dogs not mine and I will take your word on it.
 
Real thick, wet country is where I have the trouble with these running hogs. My dogs just cant get to them to put teeth on them sometimes. I dont have real rough dogs but they will put teeth on a hog if they get a chance and stop him.
 
buddylee. I dont see anyone claiming their way or dogs is best (in this particular thread;D ) . Why do folks get so sensitive when people talk about what works for them? I dont care what kind of dogs you hunt or how you hunt them. If you are catching hogs I am going to listen to what you have to say. I dont tell people with a cooler full of fish that they are fishing all wrong. I sure as heck am going to listen if they care to tell me what they used and how they used it to catch them!
400 acre city property? Everyone has their own fishing holes and places they like to fish.
Do those hogs ever try and cross the highway on you? Its a scarry prospect and I dont have the kind of dogs to hunt a property like that. I dont seek out properties like that to hunt either but kudos to the doggers that can and do. Some big ole bass get caught in small ponds! ;)

Ninja, I consider myself very lucky after reading some of the post on here. I hunt big ranches with lots of hogs so If a hog breaks on my dogs and he dont usually run over 500yrds, then I consider that as a long ways. Normally the hogs down hear will break and my dogs will have it stopped within a 100yrds. Most of the land is big oaks and pecan trees with some palmettos(MSP). I don't consider it very thick but everyone that hunts with me does. I am just blessed with (IMO) dogs that work for me and mind me very well. I have been on running hogs and it makes out for a long day or night but very few. I don't know if my dogs can stop hogs in other places and they probably can't but I can promise that they will stay on one long enough for me. The only hogs that I seem to loose is in the creek. My strike dog climbs on there back and drowns them. Sometimes when we get there we have to wait until the hog floats up. Last year he drowned one that was 230#'s. Dangdest thing I have ever seen. Two weeks ago he drowned that one in the creek, I will post a picture of it. This hog did break and run maybe a 100yrds until Rookie got him in the creek.

Look no bulldog, stike dog drowns
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Thanks ktchemwcurs,
Hogs just dont seem to do well piggy backing dogs in deep water do they? ;D


 
 
 

 

These hogs around my area are pretty bad about running 500-600 yards before baying up. Worse part is having to walk that far when I cant drive straight up to the bay.  ;D

Seriously...that is about the norm for me. I dont know if my dogs do a good job, it is my places or both.....but I have only one place where hogs really run. Even then we almost always get them shut down....using 20 lb dogs.

Krchemwcurs, are you really saying that you stop every hog and they don't make it 500 yards when they run? Come on now, you don't have any dogs that are better than the rest of us. Everybody is getting burned at one time or another. There isnt a dog on earth that's not gonna get smoked by a hog at a few times in his life.

That's an interested statement....Unless you have hunted with his dogs.  I have never thought that there was a level playing field out there with regards to dogs.   I've seen plenty of dogs out there that are better than the ones I am feeding ;D Some people just have better dogs than others. ;)

Others have great spots to hunt.   ;)

To say that your stuff has never been outrun, tells me one thing.  You have not been in it too long. 8)

What I feed satisfies me, and I feel as though I have high standards when it comes to hunting stock.  However, I can assure you, my hounds do get outrun or outwitted from time to time.  Most of those instances, I have called them off the track, but I do so out of experience. ;)

So everybody on this board has been talking about getting burned lately, and your saying that this guy is the only one around stopping ALL his hogs and NONE make more than 500 yards?? I'm sorry,  but I don't buy it and also know better!

I don't know anything about his dogs or his success rates.  I do know that not all dogs are created equal, and some people do have better dogs than others.



Agree 100%  but that has nothing to do with this statement....
If that statement was true, and all dogs were created equal, we would not be worries about improving our dogs, we would be worried about finding honey holes with slow stupid hogs. ;D

Isn't that the truth! If you haven't been burned at one time or another, you simply haven't been hunting long enough.

A bold statement would be, "I have never been burned!" That's a bold statement!

Not saying that ktchemwcurs are or not but there is always somebody out their with better dogs! Every time I would get cocky about my dogs when I was younger someone with better dogs would go hunting with me and hurt my feelings. lol. Funny but true.

That being said he says he dont get burnt on the places he hunts but admits that there are places that his dogs probably would. I have hunted places regularly and never been burned by a runner. I think a lot of people can say that. Its all about the right place and the right hog from what I can tell.
Ktchemwcurs or someone elses dogs may not ever see a runner on the places I do. I do think sub par dogs are part of the problem on some places with these running hogs but not all of them. I hope this thread doesnt turn into a "your dogs arent any better than mine" debate.

Running hogs are the least of our worries guys, It's when they stop is when they hurt the best dogs out there!

ktchemwcurs apparantly you and some of the other people on here dont understand what i call a runner...a running hog 2 me is not one that you drop your dog out and he goes out there 200 or 300 yards and barks and the hog breaks then shuts him down another 20 or 30 yards and just keeps breaking, iam talking bout throwing your dog and he never laying eyes on the hog just trailing 10 or 15 min behind the hog in that wagon trot that hog get in it dont matter what kind of nut dog, loose dog, rough dog, one dog, or twenty dogs you have if the hog doesnt want to stop he is not going to stop thats when a dog with bottom is your only chance and 90% of the time you will get burnt, and whos to say that you didnt know you were on a runner and your dogs just wouldnt stick with him

Our pigs here flat outrun the dogs! The run like bulldozers and blow down trees and ferns and they do this all on their tippy toes! I ain't making this up! There is nothing like hearing the boar blow as he takes off and you stand there just waiting to hear the dogs yank his ebreak! If the pig is running while we're 10 minutes behind that hog is LONG gone and the dogs are just chasing asswind!  :laugh:

If this is what you call a shoult than so be it ;)
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This is the 14 hr runner after we got him cuffed and in the truck and cooled down with some water he ended up crokin on us course it was last summer and hot as hell. This was done with one Hound and One catch dog.

On the other hand here was one my smokey dog bayed by himself. We run him the weekend before with a buddys 5 cur dogs for 3 hrs and lost him. So the next weekend we took my smokey dog right by himself and in 2 hrs had him lock down bayed and sent the bulldog in and sewed the deal up.Check out the boars nuts 1 was gone and the otherone was barley there. BY the way smokey is a OPEN MOUTH Plott. :o(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/l_b85b0ef0872246b0bdd6f88e41571e83.jpg)

ok iam not calling you a liar just doing some math...but the other day we did a little back tracking on my buddies garmin my dogs ran a hog for a little over two hours in one big block of woods we tracted it all back and they ran the hog a almost 12 miles in one big circle in two hours so thats bouts 6 miles per hour if you ran that hog for 14 hours that would have been 84 miles thats what you call leaving the country lol

I'm pretty sure i can speak for ktchemwcurs and say that he knows very what running hogs are all about . And i can also say that i know very well what they are about.

We are greatfull if we can be back to the truck without the Garmin saying 12 miles. Long nights and this time change is for the birds!

i know what you mean just dont see how he can shut every hog down within 500 yards or so maybe my dogs just suck that bad at stoping hogs or maybe scared to bay and would rather run them lol

 I have the garmin with 5 collars and its useless unless you can stay right on top of the dogs. The land we was hunting on was 13000 acers with another 10000 acer club ajoining it and we ran slap across both of them of course she bayed and had some walkin bays but he would not stay long anough for us to catch him. I have had dogs out of this same blood run there self to death literally. Im not saying shes the best dog in the world by no means she works for me  where i hunt. And if you would like a hunt here is welcome whenever you get ready ill even feed you and put you up. I can back up what I put on the www. ;) And by no means im not downin no type of dogs I have hounds, and curs they both have there places. ;)

What line of Plotts u runnin?

This has been a good thread!
Im just back from trying another shot at that runner I cute my dogs off of on Saturday. Caught a different hog ( a piggy sow) but this one ran 1.2 mile from where the dogs found it before it bayed. She stayed in the thick swamp the whole race avoiding open pasture and dry land! Tell me that hog didnt know what she was doing. We decided to call it an early night. We were plain wore out and soaked to the bone! That one was easy compaired to the others we usually run out there.

They r not even papered they are out of a gyp called sweetpea and a male they called ruff. I also have some alabama hammer and some of Kris odoms Stuff.

Nothing like getting a few young dogs on a runner.  Helps their tracking come along quickly.  Never really liked the 1 minute race before they bay, but I shore don't like the 5 hour race stuff either.  Just saying.

I agree. That is why you have dogs that can stay on one if you feel'n it but can be called back if you not. :)

Amen

LOL. That aint what I call shoalt! I figured it was a good hog. Thats why I asked.

That second hog is proof to me that nut dogs dont always work. That aint the 1st runner I have seen that has been castrated by the dogs!

interesting thread indeed. i must say nothing will bring out the opioniated side of our fellow swine slayers like talking about "the ole runnin a$$ pigs" that we couldnt catch. to be honest i dont see anything at all wrong w/ any of the fore-mentioned methods of defeating a runner. they all will work ,but ladies and gentleman let us not forget that our beloved swine are plain and simply put natures 2nd best surviors (only next to roaches of course).  They will adapt to our hunting styles just as we adapt our hunting styles to their escape methods. Case in point; i had a spot where my best strike dog who at the time couldve been considerd a RCD of sorts he would catch or attempt to catch every swine he saw. but he always got out run by this one hog. every time we went to this spot he would always be in the same spot and run the same way. we tried it all get in front of the pig, block the holes in the fence where he crossed, added dogs, took dogs away, ran gritty dogs, ran soft dogs always the same result wet, tired, and pigless. Untill one day the stars and the moon aligned and he tryed to play hide and seek in a honeysuckle thicket and my redbone knuckle head(who i later culled for being opened mouth) found stoped and bayed the runner we caught him. he was bout 140# Boar no teeth and nothing speacial about him except he should've been on the olympic distance team. Keep in mind if they all get caught or killed wether it be by us doggers, heli's, trappers, or still hunters we wouldnt have any more to hunt. so as much as it hurts to say this be thank full for those few who out run us cause they may keep us all going, they will just make us reassure mother nature why she put us on top of the food chain.

Sorry I have not replied to anyone and thanks for all the good post. To start off with if I knew my dogs would not STICK WITH a hog then he wouldn't be in my kennels. You are right not understanding a Runner and I am sorry because my dogs strike a hog and they put everything in there heart to run(NOT TROT) the hog down. I have some long legged strike dogs and YES I HAVE BEEN BURNED but it is not more than once a year. I have a very high success rate because the places we hunt are infested with hogs and they are very large ranches. I apoligize if anyone thinks I was bragging on my dogs. IM NOT. I was just experesssing my opinion of hogs that want to runn in the places that I hunt.
With that being said, I hope everyone that has problems with runners will come up with a solution to stopping them. I voiced my opinion on what we do with runners. I am going on 25 years of catching 200 plus hogs a year and I still don't have good dogs but I sure have good enough dogs for me! ;D

Gentics-speed -good cur dogs!!! Works for me!! I have said it once will say it again a hog can breath as long if he is in a trot but can not if he is in a run a dog with alot of speed will knock the  wind out of him and the hog has to bay! Got burn for the first time this year the other day but went back and solved the problem!! It happens to all of us!! IF THEY KEEP BREEDING THE BUCKING BULLS TO BUCK THEY WILL HAVE TO START BREEDING THE COWBOYS TO RIDE THEM!! WHAT YOU THINK LARRY MAYHAN GRAND DAUGHTER WITH JUSTIN MCBRIDE BE A GOOD CROSS!!  ;D ;D LOL  GENTICS!!

well kchemwcurs i understand were your coming from now not all of us get to hunt large places that are infested with hogs...probably like most people on here i hunt large places with very little hogs with lots of hunting pressuer on them....even if my dogs do get burnt alot my hat goes off to any dog that will stick with one for two or three hours even if they dont stop it cuz i have seen alot of dogs give up with in twenty minutes...didnt mean to get any arguments started withthis thread just want to see who eles out there was getting burt alot like i do

catchem w currs i wouldnt worry about offending  anyone ,seems like you have good enough dogs . but what do i know, im just a washed up cowboy whos hunted cattle and hogs for years. seems like a lot of folks here are trying to re invinte the wheel . people have been working and catching hogs for years with currs and leopards. why do i want some new breed just cause they look good or rough. 5 or 10 years from now lets see whos still hunting and who has thought they need a new"hobby". no i dont catch every hog i go after, but if i get burned ive done every thing i could have done, and turned every dog i could have loose. every one who gets into hunting  for a year or so thinks they ought to have the best dogs. and catch the biggest hogs. i wish people would just shut up and hunt but what do i know, hell im drunk and goin to bed goodnight

Kyle0329 and Piglywigly, this is a good website to voice an opinion, not run peoples dogs down especially when you know nothing about them. I simply voiced an opinion of how my dogs shut down a Runner Hog. Did not say anything about my dogs being better than anyone's. Don't need to prove my curs because they have already proved thereselves to the person that feeds them everyday. And to be honest with Piglywigly I was pushing the 500 yards, sorry, I say about 1 in 50 hogs make that far, the rest don't make it 100.  ;D  

Your difinition of a Runner Hog is as you stated, "throwing your dog out and he never lays eyes on a hog, just trailing 10 or 15 min behind a hog in that wagon trot that hogs get in that no matter what kind of dog you have, it will never stop"  OK, if you throw your dog out and he never sees the hog, how do you know he is on a hog? How do you know he is 10 or 15 min behind the hog? Guess I don't understand that either. If your dog never catches up with the hog then he never bayed in the first place. If a dog bays one and then he rolls out then I call that a Runner Hog. But having a dog that just runs all night hunting out long distances, that to me is a long range dog. Your not gonna find one every night. ;D  I don't know what kind of dogs you hunt but I do know that I have had dogs that are open on the track a little bit and they will push a hog for hours. Just trying to under stand more about the way you hunt so maybe we can help you catch that Runner Hog.

i would like to hear how some guys get a runner stopped on a small place. lets say 1000-2000 acres. if i had a dog that would stay in a race for 2 or 3 hours, i would be soooo far off some of my properties it wouldnt even be funny.

Most of the times those hogs will run in big loops... I've ran plenty on properties that size, for many hours and many miles.

x2 Many times I have seen a hog run off the property we were on but by the time they bay up they are right back where they started. Very seldom does a hog take a straight line and stay with it.

i used to have a hound that would stay with a hog for days but i can only recall twice when the hog looped back to us. maybe im just unlucky :D.

1000 to 2000??? I tell you whats hard,,you try to stop a Running Boar hog on a 10 acre rice field and he keeps running in circles! ???

Yep! Ive ran them for hours in a 200 acre patch of thick azz swamp, and 300 acre corn fields full of mature corn.

are you serious???? i have just about laughed at people when they talked about running dogs on 10 acre places.

I don't think the whole property was 10 acres... just a 10 acre rice field on the property. ;)

haha your probably right :D. we dont have rice fields around here just huge wheat fields and a few other crops but its usually more than 10 acres whatever it is

Same here. I hunt a 250ac corn field with a couple hundred yards of coastal between you and the SA River. Another field is about 300 and is about 100yds at the most off the river. You have to stop them in the field or they swim. The land owner owns pleanty of land around it, just nothing that a hog wants to stop to fight in. I had a guy with some loose dogs help me out one time when my dogs were cut down. We tracked dogs doing circles for atleast two hours. Finally a dog bumped off on one that stayed to fights and we killed it.

Its actually fun to hunt a small trac like that. Its a challenge because you need the right dogs, but there is also a stategic side to it as the hunter. I have ran the same boar hog out of a field 3 times before finally getting him. Each time changing up the game plan a little.

Well I dont know where you hunting at but where I hunt at in the real world Hogs run faster and harder than any deer! NOT TROT! There aint a dog in this world that will run them down in this thickets! You got to have a dog with anough heart, nose, speed and stanima to stop them. We dont have a bunch of hogs just barley a huntable population and we try to keep and protect them by turning every one we catch loose or relocating. Now with that said we are only educating these hogs now when they here a boat, wheeler, truck, or dog box rattle they start runnin not TROTTIN! I have been hog hunting since i could walk and im 27 my grandpa is 77 has been doin it his whole life and we are still no experts! We have had curs, hounds, airdales, fiest you name it. I have been hog hunting in TX, OK,MS,LA,AL,FL, an GA Diff dogs work better in Diff sitioations. Now if i hunted in texas where the hogs was plenty i would only use curs. And a hunt is welcome anytime if you would like to see what im talking about ;) And if you find that perfect dog please let me know! But chances are he aint gona be on the www! :D rolleyes ;D

We have runners and thickets!! I have never hunter your country so I don't know how it is!!Hear about 3 years ago I was told of a boar hog that was in a 8000 acre lease that could sure smoke a dog!!Bad Thickets!!  >:D I went to try to catch him and sure enough he out ran me 6 different times!! Boy that sure did embarass me but!!I came  up with a cure for that hog!! I have a gyp with lots of nose lots of bottom but runs track for track and barks every time her foot hits the ground!! Then have a male dog that runs wide and is silent when I say runs wide he will leave a track and start trying to cut the hog off (BRAINS) and he can fly!!If he gets throwed off she will put him back!!So this is what I did I put them two on the ground and they bayed together the race was on it lasted about 1/8 of a mile !! The male dog was always way ahead of her and she was barking on track well the hog thinks the dogs are way behind because he heres her barking and the silent dog is cutting him off!! It has worked  for me ever  since!!! I start all my dogs on cows first so they will learn that I want them stopped and bayed that means get ahead and stop them not not bitting the nuts!! If I have a dog biteing a cow on the rear end he is culled that day!! My dogs do not see a hog until they get the cow thing down first!! My point is if the hogs are getting smarter than breed your dogs smarter and better!! Everytime I have a litter I am thinking of there next cross!!Oh when I say started on cows I mean brush cattle braman cross wild goofy cows that run when they hear atrailer and lay down in thickets to hide from you!! I too release and preserve the hogs!!I would much rather a hog than  adeer!!

Cward you are a man after my own heart. I wish I had your us of words. You just hit the nail on the head. You have got to get smarter than the hogs. I thought I was the only one one that used my cow dogs to run pigs!!!

I just popped my fourth bag of popcorn !!! This is a GREAT Thread!!! ;D ;D >:D >:D

Cward what part of texas do you hunt? Like I said diff dogs work better in diff situations. Some people have never been huntin other than where they hunt so they don't know what its like. And yes we are constanly changing and breeding to get what works best. We might ride aruond to 9 or 10 in the mornin till we find a track and then the track might be 6 to 12 hrs old, then again ihave hunted in texas and cought 10 hogs in about 6 hrs and another trip 16 hogs not sayin that's everywhere in texas but was the 2 spots I hunted. This is no pissin match that's why I don't post much I was just postin my opinion and what has worked for us!

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Why do people always seem to get their feelings hurt on good debate topics? There's no pissin matches going on?
Just people sharing they way they do things and their experiences... a great majority who's been doing this for many years.

And on a side note, this where we can all be when were not in the woods... and you've spent many hours on here during the past few months since joining. So, put your feelings aside and keep posting... I enjoy seeing everyone does things.

X2  at the very least you can read through this and pick up new ways to try out on a running hog.  one of the better threads in a while.

AMEN !!!! :angel: :angel:

I actually appreciate the direction and tone of this topic lately and how everyone has conducted themselves as adults just discussing different terrains and the different methods or tactics you could try to put the hobbles on a runner. One thing I have learned after being on quite a few forums and discussing a variety of topics is before you log in you need to leave your feelings and ego at the door or else it will not be a pleasent experience for you. The way I see it is like this, Come online read through the 1000s of suggestions and opinions and then go out in the field and build your own. There is no right way and there is no wrong way and there is also NO WAY to catch them all. Good luck in the field guys and thank you for making this a great board to be on!

Very well stated.

ketchemwcurs your taking this all the wrong way in no way did i run your dogs down and not calling you a liar either just couldnt belive that your dogs shut every hog down they got on 99% of the time...and i know my dogs are 10 to 15 min behind the hog when i watch the hog cross the road and my dogs run behind him trailing him 10 to 15 min later everything i hunt is extremy thick woods and briar patches, stuff that you cant even see 5 feet in front of you so when a hog hears a dog coming they break and run before the dog ever lays eyes on them and most of the time dont stop

Ok when you get out run what breed of hog is doing it? In my opinion terain has alot to do with it but for the most part its the breed of hog. For instance a long time ago my grandpa told me all the hogs were about cought and traped out in our area so he went to crossville tn and brought back some pure russians and distributed in our public lands which at the time was his hunting club. The reason for this was so every tom dick and harry could not catch em out. And again in 1996 we went back and got another load and did the same thing. Thats why we cut every boar thats not russian. Russians are the fastest and smartist hogs on the planet! Alot of people claim to have russians but do they have the pure and real deal? So lets see some of the pics of yaws runners and see.

This is my old pure russian Brood boar Cluade he came from the sandieago Zoo stock you might have seen some of his relatives n the movie hanniable. This was in 2005 he was a young buck then. ;)
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/1-20-201081725PM.jpg)
If you will notice he shows alot of resiblince in the first pic of the 14 hr runner ;)


Russian sow we breed to him and turned back loose.
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This one here weight was 175 and the only reason he is dead he killed 7 dogs and i had to have him mounted
(http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/Hog%20Pics/007.jpg)

A few more
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That was a great scene in Hanibal.

TieEmUpOrLeaveEm,

great pictures! The 14 hour boar is almost a carbon copy. Some serious dog wrecking daggers hanging out of that dudes mouth!

Good pictures!! Enjoyed them!!!

Thanks :)

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Ladogos... no lie, you catch the most pure looking russian hogs ive ever seen, every one of them has a snout about 2 foot long and silver color all the way back... post some pics if you dont mind.