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Title: I dont know why Post by: hogbuyer on March 14, 2010, 08:05:21 pm I dont no why but my dogs didnt go outtwo miles and guess what we caught pigs why does every one want a dog that leaves the country and passes up hogs.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Mike on March 14, 2010, 08:12:29 pm Cause not everyone get to hunt in hog infested country, some places hogs are few and far between.
I'm fortunate enough to have both kinds of places... it makes you appreciate a dog that will go out and find one. There may not be a hog one on the place, but it makes you feel better knowing that your dogs covered it. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: W-tate on March 14, 2010, 08:14:30 pm i think it depends on ur dogs mine are shot to med range but if i hunt where hogs are few and far between they will go as far as they need to
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: djhogdogger on March 14, 2010, 08:35:42 pm i agree with W-tate, some days the dogs find hogs 200 yds away and some days the find hogs a mile away. Just depends on where the hogs are and where we are hunting. I know that if there is a hog a mile away, i dont want my dogs to turn around and come back after running 500yrds out.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Piglywigly on March 14, 2010, 08:45:06 pm I like a dog that will get out from under my feet and cover some ground. All my strike dogs hunt about 600 - 800 yards on average. To me, that's long range. When they get in some rank sign, I've had em go 2 miles before they bay. We catch a lot of hogs cause we cover alot of ground. Plus, we have a handle on all the dogs. We cast and cover ground and load up. Move down and cast again. A lot of people around here spend more time screaming at dogs then they do hunting. I can dump 4 times to their one. Some places a dog has got to hunt to find a pig.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Bryant on March 14, 2010, 08:52:45 pm I dont no why but my dogs didnt go outtwo miles and guess what we caught pigs why does every one want a dog that leaves the country and passes up hogs. For some reason it seems like a good deal of your 40 posts on this forum are knocking or discounting the fact that some people own deep hunting dogs. Honestly, for me personally it not about the distance my dogs travel, but about the fact that whether it's walking, roading or whatever I shouldn't have to lead them there. Believe it or not, a dog that ranges out and actually leaves out hunting doesn't necessarily pass up hogs to do so. What that dog does is KEEP going when there are no hogs near. It's called hunting drive...something I believe most people conveniently overlook (or simply don't understand). Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: roughdog on March 14, 2010, 08:58:02 pm i have hunted with guys that turn long range dogs loose and they leave the county and my short range dogs go along behind the long range dog they brag on so much and find hogs they passed right up so you tell me
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: djhogdogger on March 14, 2010, 09:03:08 pm Probably because some dogs are so intent on finding the hog that they are tracking. A smart boar when being tracked by dogs will run right through the middle of a group of sows and choats to loose the dogs, but some dogs don't fall for that, they will stay right on the track of that ol boar.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: roughdog on March 14, 2010, 09:06:05 pm but the long range dog never bayed up so wheres the boar they where after
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: lonewolf on March 14, 2010, 09:08:16 pm Probably because some dogs are so intent on finding the hog that they are tracking. A smart boar when being tracked by dogs will run right through the middle of a group of sows and choats to loose the dogs, but some dogs don't fall for that, they will stay right on the track of that ol boar. I got it now! Thats why I always catch sows and shoats! ;DTitle: Re: I dont know why Post by: djhogdogger on March 14, 2010, 09:11:17 pm Roughdog, I dang sure can't answer for everyones dogs, just the ones that i have hunted with. There are sorry long and short range dogs out there. And if you go to bragging on your dogs they will leave you high and dry. ;D
Lonewolf....LMAO!!!!! Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BarrNinja on March 14, 2010, 09:24:42 pm Here we go! Im making popcorn! lol
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BigAinaBuilt on March 14, 2010, 09:29:34 pm Some guys like drinking beers and driving cross country to a bay and other like running and trying to drink a beer! ;D To each his own as long as it is a good safe time! I wouldn't feed a open long range dog but I would love to tag along on a hunt with someone who does as long as at the end of the day we're reminicing (sp) about the day as the hogs on the fire and the drink are on ice!
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: hogbuyer on March 14, 2010, 09:31:32 pm Bryaant I guess I just dont no as much abiut hunting as u But i will Invite u two a two man tournament when every you are ready so get ur long range dogs ready and lets meet at my place and lets rolenot a two man team u and ur dogs and me and my dogs since I just dont understand
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BOSS HOGG on March 14, 2010, 09:34:22 pm Here we go! Im making popcorn! lol :D :D haha. . . .glad i got here in time. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: grunterhunter8 on March 14, 2010, 09:44:46 pm Why do you need to understand? What's wrong with just being happy that your dogs are finding hogs. Everyone has there own style of dogs and way of doing things. I'd rather Spend more time hunting and less time trying to convince people that my way is better. Just my $.02
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: make-em-squeel on March 14, 2010, 09:48:10 pm Cause not everyone get to hunt in hog infested country, some places hogs are few and far between. Good point mike... Plus hogbuyer i think its safe to say that no one wants a dog that will pass up hogs to find one a mile away. My long range dog that will find a hog if there is only one sow in 2 mi.'s is a short range dog if there are hogs 20 yards in front of us in the corn! But hot nosed short ranged dogs will not be able to find the hogs that my dog will. Versatility is King in my opinion and hunting terrain.I'm fortunate enough to have both kinds of places... it makes you appreciate a dog that will go out and find one. There may not be a hog one on the place, but it makes you feel better knowing that your dogs covered it. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: make-em-squeel on March 14, 2010, 09:55:58 pm One thing to consider that my hunting friend muleman taught me....that most old hound men know, that i didn't. There are dogs that once they get on a track will stay with it to the bitter end and tree 5 - 10 mi away. There are other hounds that will start the same track but if they run across a hotter track will take that one and tree alot closer to you some time. I perfer the latter as long as the bottom end is there in both but to each his own and my best dog is one that will stay on the same track so i obviously have some work to do.
Kind of like a dog that follows every zig zag the hog traveled vs one that runs a generally straight line picking up parts of the track and coverin the same track quicker...I wish i could breed dogs for a living :) Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: djhogdogger on March 14, 2010, 10:07:31 pm I think that some people confuse a dogs ability to find a hog with range. Finding a hog has to do with the dogs nose. Range is how far the dog is willing to travel to pick up a track. JMO
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BarrNinja on March 14, 2010, 10:11:24 pm I think that some people confuse a dogs ability to find a hog with range. Finding a hog has to do with the dogs nose. Range is how far the dog is willing to travel to pick up a track. JMO X 2. ;) I have a feeling that you are missing Bryants whole point hogbuyer. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: hogzilla24 on March 14, 2010, 10:18:07 pm well (just my experiences...) where i hunt i do have the ability to go 2-3 miles and still be on land that i have permission.on most of the places i hunt... like anyone though i dont like going that far but sometimes you just got too if you can. i prefer MY STYLE of dogs! in my eyes my dogs are long range dogs but they are the kind that start short and keep getting furthur and furthur as they work. sometimes i go out and they are bayed within 300yds sometimes i go and they bay farther i have had them strike as far out as 1.5 miles and bayed at 2.4 miles on the garmin. the places i hunt are big so you never know where the hogs are. i dont have the ability to drive into most of them so i walk just about everywhere. i have nothing against a short range dog and would not cull one that produced for me. i hunted shot range dogs for a pretty good while when i fist started (bout 5 yrs ago) and loved it but eventually i got ahold of along range dog and fell in love with that style cause my dry runs didnt happen near as often. thats why i prefer MY STYLE of dogs. and let me say MY STYLE of long range dog IS DIFFERENT from anyone elses cause my style is MY PREFERENCE same as anyone elses is THEIR PREFERENCE.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: djhogdogger on March 14, 2010, 10:23:20 pm well (just my experiences...) where i hunt i do have the ability to go 2-3 miles and still be on land that i have permission.on most of the places i hunt... like anyone though i dont like going that far but sometimes you just got too if you can. i prefer MY STYLE of dogs! in my eyes my dogs are long range dogs but they are the kind that start short and keep getting furthur and furthur as they work. sometimes i go out and they are bayed within 300yds sometimes i go and they bay farther i have had them strike as far out as 1.5 miles and bayed at 2.4 miles on the garmin. the places i hunt are big so you never know where the hogs are. i dont have the ability to drive into most of them so i walk just about everywhere. i have nothing against a short range dog and would not cull one that produced for me. i hunted shot range dogs for a pretty good while when i fist started (bout 5 yrs ago) and loved it but eventually i got ahold of along range dog and fell in love with that style cause my dry runs didnt happen near as often. thats why i prefer MY STYLE of dogs. and let me say MY STYLE of long range dog IS DIFFERENT from anyone elses cause my style is MY PREFERENCE same as anyone elses is THEIR PREFERENCE. Exactly right!!!!!! 8) Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BigAinaBuilt on March 14, 2010, 10:29:29 pm well (just my experiences...) where i hunt i do have the ability to go 2-3 miles and still be on land that i have permission.on most of the places i hunt... like anyone though i dont like going that far but sometimes you just got too if you can. i prefer MY STYLE of dogs! in my eyes my dogs are long range dogs but they are the kind that start short and keep getting furthur and furthur as they work. sometimes i go out and they are bayed within 300yds sometimes i go and they bay farther i have had them strike as far out as 1.5 miles and bayed at 2.4 miles on the garmin. the places i hunt are big so you never know where the hogs are. i dont have the ability to drive into most of them so i walk just about everywhere. i have nothing against a short range dog and would not cull one that produced for me. i hunted shot range dogs for a pretty good while when i fist started (bout 5 yrs ago) and loved it but eventually i got ahold of along range dog and fell in love with that style cause my dry runs didnt happen near as often. thats why i prefer MY STYLE of dogs. and let me say MY STYLE of long range dog IS DIFFERENT from anyone elses cause my style is MY PREFERENCE same as anyone elses is THEIR PREFERENCE. How long does it take you to "walk" to a bay 2 miles away?? Just curious! Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: hogzilla24 on March 14, 2010, 10:36:31 pm well im a whole 23 yrs old and still in pretty good shape so if its just me and one of my in shape buddies around 20 minutes a mile so 2 miles i would say around 45-50 minutes give or take. but me being the only one with a compass or tracking system if other people go with us that may not be so quick it has taken nearly 2 hours to get to a bay at 1.5 miles. its definately not fun walking that far but gotta love my hunting especially when there is a good pig on the other side of the dogs.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: catchrcall on March 14, 2010, 10:44:23 pm In the hill country, where everything is covered in cedars, a long dang time. especially when the dogs are out of hearing. sometimes it seems like all you do, or at least for me is track, walk, track, walk, track, walk until you get to where you can hear them baying. I have rarely, if ever, had to go two miles, but i do understand what he is talking about. I just don't have that kind of property. If my dogs are two miles from me, they are on a different property.
That being said, my shorter range dogs suit me very well. my properties are not big, so I don't need a dog that will range out a long way just to find a track. mine average about a 400-600 yard loop before they check in, and will usually take off in a different direction once they do. Once they find a track though, they will keep on it. Also, being pretty new to the sport, I feel like shorter range dogs give me at least the illusion of having a bit more control. I have hunted with longer range dogs, and enjoyed doing it, they just don't "fit" most of the places I have to hunt. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: BigAinaBuilt on March 14, 2010, 10:48:42 pm Thanks for the response Hogzilla24! I was curious as my dogs are very short range but yesterday they went out outta my hearing range and I was dreading the JOURNEY to them when I found them beat and tired back at the truck! :laugh: I need a Garmin! lol
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: hogzilla24 on March 14, 2010, 10:54:03 pm the garmin is sure worth the money but if you run dogs that are consictenly over 6/10s a mile you had better get the long range antenna. some places i hunt i get great signal with short one but others i can hardly pick up 700 yrds. but you say you dogs are short range so u should ok..(NO offense)
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Eric on March 14, 2010, 11:58:32 pm I dont no why but my dogs didnt go outtwo miles and guess what we caught pigs why does every one want a dog that leaves the country and passes up hogs. Hog density has alot to do with it. We have also killed 300+ hogs in a year with dogs that don't even go 2 miles. You can not take those same dogs, or any dogs, and go to north or west texas and do that. The last part of your statement is not totally accurate IMO, I use to be of the same thinking. Most all hunters, short or long range, expect there to be some thing at the end of the line if an experienced dog goes out on a trail. What the difference is, if my dogs goes out 600yds I expect a bark. In north texas with a plot they may not expect a bark out of a dog until, Idk, 5 miles. What I have seen when hunting cold nosed, long range dogs in high hog density areas is not hogs being passed up but more of an efficiency issue. Its hard to hunt a specific area with dogs that range out real far looking for trails. Dogs that road or wind can be more effecient in that scenerio. That is just my take, from my limited experience. I will also add, every dog has its day. I have legged hogs with one bay dog barking at them, but that don't make it right. :) Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: hillbilly on March 15, 2010, 09:42:26 am its all in what u like. i got a cur that will stay on a hog 3 to 4 hours but i don't consider him long range, he'll just stay on a hog when he gets on one. I can't hunt him like i want because i don't have that many big places to hunt. but i have hunted my dogs behing long range dogs and found hogs that they passed up. who knows maybe they struck a track a 100 yards out and just ran the hog that far from us.
sometimes i would like a dog to roll out until he found a hog but most of the time not. because 95% of the time i would be on someone elses property. with the dogs i got now its only about 50% of the time i am one other property. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Bryant on March 15, 2010, 10:08:33 am Bryaant I guess I just dont no as much abiut hunting as u But i will Invite u two a two man tournament when every you are ready so get ur long range dogs ready and lets meet at my place and lets rolenot a two man team u and ur dogs and me and my dogs since I just dont understand I'm not sure what being knowledgeable about hunting has do with with the subject. Unless your going to start paying their feed bill, why are you concerned with how other dogs hunt? If your catching hogs with your own dogs isn't it all that matters? As for your "tournament", my kennels are full of dogs that have already proven themselves to the only person that matters. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Eric on March 15, 2010, 10:37:43 am We need the smiley that is banging its head against the wall. :D X2 with what Bryant said. Its one thing to discuss different styles but that is where it should stop unless you are buying for every one else.
Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Circle C on March 15, 2010, 10:42:56 am Bryant,
Hogbuyer has left the building popo Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: ktchemwcurs on March 15, 2010, 11:16:23 am Bryant, Hogbuyer has left the building popo THANKS "C",,,I was just going to ask Bryant if I was invited to the two man contest!! ;D Let me know Bryant, I personally own one out of your kennel and he is only 9 months old but will hang with the best of them. Title: Re: I dont know why Post by: Kyle0329 on March 15, 2010, 09:12:33 pm hogbuyer 90% precent of the dogs on this web site can run out there and bay a hog with in hearing and thats good if you like short range dogs but wear i hunt i have a lot a land with just a few hogs and the ones that are there are pressured hard, there is know better feeling than droping a dog out on a track in the road and for him to go a mile or two to find the hog that made it to me thats a hog dog...i want a dog that can find a single hog in 3000 acres vs 30 hogs in 300 acres i guess iam more of of a dog man than a hog catcher
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