EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

My question is why so much for dogs.  

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why so much for Cocaine? or Gas? a Car? a House?  The bottom line is it's what the market bares! My wife raised our last litter of AB/Dogo pups in the house because it was cold outside, she kept them in the bathroom and washed blankets three time a day for nearly 8 weeks. She sold all of them for 500 dollars a piece, Were they too much evidently not because she found a buyer for all of them. If I want something I make a calculated decision whether or not it is worth it to me. If its not, I will pass. If it is, I make the purchase. Dont be offended by an asking price!

Not offended by any means

If you dont like the price people are askin for their dogs dont by any. Fusin about the price of dogs aint goin to change it. Gasoline use to be 45 cents a gallon. Whats up with that.

Just to clarify for me and everyone else what is your definition of a dog peddler? I myself have sold dogs on this board not quite the prices you mentioned but not much less, and they have performed to my description. I guess I'm not fully understanding your question or maybe more so where its coming from if no fingers are being pointed.

For me, it is not to hard to understand if you think about it like good horses. Folks just pay better money for proven bloodlines and good bred horses. Like a horse, a dog/pup is worth what you can get or give for him.

I dont sell dogs but I have sold a few that I didnt want to sell when I was a young man. In my opinion, both dogs were sold for more than what they were worth but the guys that bought them from me just kept going up on the price even though I told them they were not for sale or even worth what they were offering. They loved them and never regretted buying those dogs from me.

Lets take the $150 pups for sale by a guy on this board for example. I have never met him but, knowing what I know about the dogs those pups are bred out of, I would buy 2 for the price he is asking without blinking an eye if I was in the position and had the need to do so.
I would rather take my chances on a $150 dollar pup out of jam up dogs than a freebie from the feed store any day. You just have a better chance of ending up with a good dog! Simple as that.
What I am trying to say is that, if people can make an extra buck out of the hard work they put into their horses, then why can they do it with their dogs if they choose too?
Like I said, I have no interest in selling my own dogs or pups. I am just sharing my point of view on it.

Well said Ninja, well said!

BoarNinja I was going to see if you wanted a pup for free out of one of my next litters but sence you put it that way I may have to charge you.LOL

I understand why u ask for good dogs but I am talking about those that have put little to no work into a dog and edited my original post was a little harsh sounding a dog peddler in my book is someone that will sale some dog they think will turn on but have not put the work into to see.

 :o I may have to sell some of my pups to pay for it then Mr P! LOL. Wait a minute. I dont like the turn this thread is taking!

Its the same difference as folks that sell used cares and used car salesmen.  ;)

Lol never thought of it like that y u have to mmake so much sense I guess I am of the old school thinking where everyone is honest and don't tru and take advantage of fellow people/hunters

Same thing goes for people breeding culls hoping that the pups are some how going to be better than their parents. Plain Stupid.

I gotcha now purebreed...those that aren't honest about said dog.! Thats why everyone suggest to do research on the dog and the seller before we buy. As ninja said just like a car salesman.

Hog dogs are CHEAP compared to any other kind of hunting dog out there.
And also you get what you pay for, I don't expect too much if I am buying a dog for $200 bucks.
Now you start talking $500 and up that is when you should start picking up REAL HOG DOGS!!!

Yeah I know for finished dogs yes spend the money but I am talking about something u have little to no time in vary little feed and a dog they got for free at the pound etc seen a pig once and it is a 200 dollar dog I don't understand it

has anyone ever been to uncle earls and saw the dog peddlers ooutt here...now not to get anybodys pantys in a wad cuz i know there are sum good dogs sold there and bought there but the majority of those guys are there to only turn a buck...was talking to one guy at the 09 UE and he was telling me how he and a buddy used to go the pound for bout 2 mnths before UE and get every dog that "looked" like it would bay they would take it home and throw them in the baypen if they bayed they were sold as "started" dogs the others who didnt joined the bonepile out back...thats my def of a dog peddler
needless to say i ddnt buy the yeller dog i was looking at from the man even tho he said he hadnt dne that in years....had another feller pull me and my buddy to the side and ask us if we were interested in sum started woods dogs i asked him his definition of started and told me "Oh son theyll bay the fire outa a hog in a pen but aint had a chance to put them in the woods"...had another feller tyr to sell me a dalmation that wouldnt bay but he said it would find the hogs but just wudnt bay thnk he was asking like 300 for her...man i could go on just from the two days i spent walking around there

lol agreed i had a kid come up with his dad and he was wantin two yella pups  bad so i said know what have em next moring they were on some one elses chain for 250 a piece as started dogs been on 30-40 a piece lol theres guys that go there just for that and they swap with each other for fun every year
 
believe me i see were landon goin first startin out i prob spent 5000 dollars goin through 100-400 dollar dogs learned that not way to go now just really swap pups around till they make it or not runnin with now good dogs   belive me ive sold some but ive never made any my money back  u get wat u pay for

The amount of time/effort it takes to make, let a lone breed, a good dog..... let's just say it would be hard for me to put a value on my own.... 

As for me i have spent way more money on my dogs than i ever thought i would. I did this to get what i wanted. A Big boned gritty catahoula. the reason i breed is to keep a male like zeke around so i will hopefully always have a part of him around i gave away one good looking big male to a friend for workin cattle.with the understanding if need be i could breed him if something happens to zeke. I spend a lot of money to raise the dogs and i ask a fair price for the pups 300-400 in most cases. I have and will stand behing my word. I get great pleasure hearing back from the buyers and have had no complaints. I have read several threads about dog peddlers and to "beware of them" it seems to me that if your name is not hot topic on ethd you are lumped into a peddler bracket?? I feel that if I put a good dog up for sale for a fair price and it works out great, then it is a win win. I dont think for a minute that the higher the price the better the dog ;D

Why so much for a good dog? It's like anything else, SUPPLY AND DEMAND. If all hog dog breeders only bred the best from line breeding and no exceptons then we would have a surplus of good dogs and the price would come down on good strike dogs.

If you do not have tons of money..... then one good option is to go and buy some high quality pups and train them yourself. I just bought 2 for 100 dollars each and the sire and dam are not for sale. The pedigree is awesome. I believe that one will make a good strike dog by how it acts and the other has a good chance. I had to see the sire and dam before buying the pups but also knew the dogs in the pedigree. The kind of hog dogs I want or keep are not for sale or they want an arm and a leg for them....

Another thing I found out when buying a dog never say beforehand what your looking for in a pup or dog because some sellers seem to have just what your looking for. HAVE THEM TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE OR BREED. If they can't tell you what you want to here chances are they don't even know what a good hog dog is much less be able to breed one.....

Know what yall mean about Uncle Earls, been there twice and there was somebody selling " woods dogs" for $250  on every little piece of dirt at the place..
I can see someone charging $250 for a well bred pup off proven parents. I have some now that I wouldn't sell for any less. But unless you have hunted with dogs off that line and hunted with the parents you don't really know what you are getting. And most of the time if someone who hunts regularly and has proven dogs, has a littler of pups off those dogs none of them will be for sell.
sfboarbuster, I take it you were joking about the real hogdogs for 500 bucks , If not I wanna know where this place is cause we can make some good money :laugh:

I will sell my pups if they are worth selling. I dont go over board with it though. I am selling a mt cur pup today for fifty bucks. But this dog is three month old and has been bayin a little pig in a pen for three weeks. I will even put the pup in the pen and show him. Im not in hog hunting to make money off of my dogs. I have only sold two grown dogs in the three and a half years i have been hunting. And one of them i bought back.  Just last week i gave away four dogs. Because i have three of them have never been in the woods and the other has only been four or five time. That way people cant talk my name down because the dog didn't meet there standards or didn't hunt for them like they did for me. But i do have a dog that i would not sell for 1000 bucks. and he is a little ugly half pit half cur. but i have raised him since he was a pup and have put alot of time into him.

Nick,

Is the pup still for sell, what is he out of?
Some of the best dogs come from hunters that have the exact same philosophy as you do....

yep!

I'm just talking about a good started dog. Something that has a chance of making a dog.
Not somebody elses cull. Guess I worded it wrong.

Nick that is my exact same thinking.  My concience would not let me make money off something for junk dogs or other stuff.  I have a couple of dogs like u said that are not for sale not because they are great but because I like them.

What bugs me is the barked at pig once in a pen.......150 dollars, and I know guys with really good dogs and they were all free or just really cheap

i picked my little red dog up off the side of the road. sign said free pups take one. Now he will find and stop his own hog. Wouldn't take a thousand dollars for him.

The question shouldn't be "Why are hogdogs so much"..........

the question should be "WHY ARE HOGDOGS SO CHEAP"?

Dog feed for 1 dog for a year $250......multiply by 4 years to finish out a dog......now you got $1000

A couple of fix-ups at the vet in that 4 year period.......$1000 (very conservative)

so now your at $2000.....then multiply that by the 4 dogs your gonna raise to find one that is worth braggin on or that manages not to get killed.......

now your at $8000...........why the hell would anyone raise a dog? lol......you can go buy a nice dog for $1500

There you have it.....Dan has put the pencil to it and I think he's right on the money. I agree with him, that's why I quit trying to raise pups and bought one dog and traded for the other. I now have 2 dogs that suit me very well, I like the way they hunt and my strike dog is getting better every year. I paid $200 for one outright, traded a dog and $200 boot for the other.....I'm a happy man.

I avg 202 per year feeding diamond and I dont see that as persay an expense that is just upkeep u don't add that to the price of a pickup for changing the oil etc when u sale. And the thing
that ticks me off is the dog trader tring to make a quick buck.  They show a dog a pig and say it is well started etc but they have not put 5 cents of effort into a dog. That is what my question is about.  Time and effort into a good dog is worth money yes I understand that and I am not looking for more dogs but like looking at the ones that are for sale so I know it should not bother me but guess see the hog hunting world as a per say family that one should not take advantage of another.

my sister just had a litter of yorkies she has sold for 800. a piece who the hell would pay that kind of money for a worthless dog like that kind of puts paying 1500 for a jam up strike dog in perspective, ive personally never bought a dog just been keeping pups off the first dogs i started with 15 years ago they are nothing great but there are lots of hogs around here and we always catch them