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In a conversation with a friend he said that some hunters he was talking to swear by using Bulldog x spaniels. Says they make the best CDs and been using them for years. Anyone here use these or know of anyone who uses em or something similar?

Thanks

I have heard of pit/GSHPointer. Once had a guy tell me that his family used pure breed labradors as CATCH dogs. I had to have him repeat that one to me!

I dont know about spaniel X's but Ive been doing pretty good with a bulldog/Dogo X......lol.....Just kidding buddy ;D

Honestly I think if it aint broke dont fix it, there is a reason people primarily use Pitts and AB's

heard alot about the pointer/bull cross...if kept on a lead straight catch, if hunted real gritty outlaw cur type dog. Never heard of the spanial but probably close to the pointer. Just talkd to a guy who swears by his aeirdale/pit cross.

I had a guy swear to me i need to cross my pits with labs, he was really drunk so i was not shore how serious he was being, but wouldnt the dog loose its ability to hold if your cross them, whats wrong with just a pit? why do you want to cross them

Ive hunted behind some GSP males that were grittier than some CDs ive had and ive heard of guys crossing bulldogs into their GSPs

LOL...thats fine, I agree with you.

Oh, I dont want to cross mine. I breed pure old bloodline bulldogs, foundation stock of the Ab breed. None of that short winded mastiffy stuff most people use. I had a hard time believeing that someone would actually use a spaniel. Kind of like using a poodle, so I thought I would ask. Speaking of that, you know poodles used to be sport dogs, and good ones too... from what I read.

These guys wanted a do it all catch dog. They said the spaniel adds nose.

Crib, what kind of foundation AB stock do you have?

I can see y some do not want a pit or a full pit they have a bad rep.  I don't want one.  Really wander if the guy u were talking to did not mean one of the pointers gsp. 

Pure Hines, Pure Stover, Linebred Family white english from the pan handle and inbred Sgt Rock (No Kershner/Tappe/S.E.) etc etc. One of my gyps is down with my bud Scott. She just had a litter with a male shipped over from florida. He's a prven catchdog. I also shipped him Cane couple years back. The lil gyp I just got from Joe Painter and his son is Cane's niece. His sister was bred back to an inbred Sgt Rock male. I know people have their questions about Abs foundational or no, but I had all mine DNA'd and spoke with the geneticist. They live up to their repuatation and throw themselves. I had to search high and low to find them.

I would like to see some pics and see how consistent your type is, if you have time to share.

I am partial to the AB, but not the Johnson or beefed up dogs.

Petey II

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Pete's dam, Scarlet
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/dogs/american_bulldog/pedigree/967735.html

Dyme
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Gi-Gi (8 mons)
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Son of Pete bred to a hybrid female (> 1 year)

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Pete's brother Zeke
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Pete's sister Molly
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Dyme's Dam, baby Girl
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Dyme's brother Ben
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Dang like dogs with no tail those are nice

How do i get ahold of one of them beast lol

Hey Crib I really like petey II can you tell us more about him?  Speed? Disposition? How he catches? Listens? Etc.  Thanks.

Like your bulldogs Crib,  my dad use to raise them and catch with them, and he used Hines stuff.  We would go to Mr. Hines when I was just a little boy and get dogs from him.  He crossed them with a big mountain curr for some really ruff grain field dogs.

Thanks for the kind words guys ;)

Pete is very athletic, when I took him out with Mitch and Howard June 09' he was just over 1 year old (Feb 09). He had been put on hogs but not with bay dogs. So we hit the 1st bay, We listened to see if the hog had been fully stopped then Mitch told me to go get Petey, he was the only bulldog we had brought. So I got him from off the four wheeler and wlked him in. he heard that bay and zero on to it. He pulled but not uncontrollably and if I decided on a better path he came along without much trouble. The hog was in a dried up creek bed.  Once we saw him looking at the hog we cut him loose. He took a couple bounds a leaped off the ledge, esimated a 7 or 8 ft drop, landed on all fours and used the recoil from the landing to launch into the hog. I had to drag the hog, him and six San Jacinto hogdogs out of that creek bed. Then had to break him off the head and drag him away or he'd use his front legs to reel the hog back in. Funny thing was he'd never been on a four wheeler before that day and stayed on it like he was glued to it. They said the bulldogs they usually use would keep fallin off.

I produced Pete, origianlly has was the payment for his dam, Scarlet. The person i sent him too could keep him (financial reasons etc) so i went to get him back. She told me she was concerned b/c in the concrete kennel he was in with 10 ft high metal fencing, he was jumping to the top of the fence from a standing position and she didnt want him to come down wrong and injure himself.

Disposition, He is a dominat/Alpha personality, he does get along with other dogs, but will sometimes challenge them and will not back down from a challenge. Most of this is exposure IMO. He is a balanced dog and is deceptively fast when he gets after something and can change direction to stay on target. He will bite a sleeve if you ask him to, but he doesnt know anything about malice intent so its all play to him. He has great heat tolerance and bites extremely hard which are bloodline characteristics these dogs throw. He'll try to catch anything you tell him. His dam caught cattle as a job and woods hogs for a hobby. He always catches on the head and doesnt change holds. You will have to make him rebite then pull him away, but he'll keep the hog from swinging towards you when he's on.


He is head strong, but smart and will listen with a little training. Dyme is more of the "point your finger the 1st time" type and she'll go do it. Dyme was actually used like a running catchdog once. It was the 1st time she'd done it that way. I pointed her out and said go get the hog, she took off and ran threw the logs and underbrush seemingly without changing speed, tight roped fallen trees, just real athletic. She only stopped to wind scent then found the baydog that was cut loose and followed in right behind him. When the baydog found the hog she was right there with him and nailed the hog str8 on when the baydog slowed him down abit.

Thats cool,  ;)

Scarlet's Grandpa is Hobo. Her sire Petey (RIP) is where my Pete gets his name and looks. He ran the Texas Valley hunts and would catch in the heat. He was a good sized dog that could move and had great wind. He was 89 lbs skin and bone. Scott P helped me put him on a hog when I got him. I ended up placing him with Mike Margentina (Owner of Sgt Rock) when I had Scarlet coming in.

You have any pics of your dads dogs? Feel free to post em. :)

Did he happen to say why he thinks they make the best CD's?

He just said the spaniel blood added nose. I can only assume they use them for all purpose RCDs. He said springer spaniel was the preferred kind.

Good looking bulldogs, dude.  I really like that dog, Ben.

Thank you for posting the pics, and info.   Scott also sent me some pedigree information.

Do you have a profile pic of dyme standing, she looks more my preferred type, but picture is decieving. Her disposition and willingness also seem like thereason why I fell in love with the AB.

Carr White English Bull Dog. These people are very tight with there dogs. Very old family blood lines, if you could get one of these.            http://bttbab.com/kaolin_kennels.htm

Thanks for the compliments everyone, they are very much appreciated ;)

Crystal, I may have to send you one and/or take a new one. Im not sure I took one of her recently in profile.

Lonestar,

I had my run ins with Heather and Ray already. I won't be dealing with them for dogs. Thanks for the offer though. I do have more contacts for white english that I can go to. ;)

I have never seen better looking ABD's...all I can say is WOW they have awesome builds and gorgeous heads!!

I have just one question - why do you dock their tails?  I have seen several ABD's with their tails docked and always thought it was kinda strange.

Thanks very much,

I had a bad expereince with undocked tails. My 2nd pick male, Pete's brother busted is tail up wagging it. Hitting it on wall corners etc. I had to have surgery done at 11 mons old to cut it. They put one of those dum azz funnel collars on him and he got it off and ripped the stiches out. I couldnt save him. So from now on all dogs will be docked if they come here.

All our curr dogs are 3/4 naturally or they are bobbed as puppies but the CD's are long tailed....we have the same issue with their tails getting busted up but havent had any problems *knock on wood*, guess it would be quieter in the dog box too since they have nothing to bang around.

Does bobbing an older dogs tail cause balance issues?  I have always been told that it does but never knew the truth to it...there are a few dogs of fellow hunters that I would like to bob their dogs tails just because they look goofy lol

I always assumed people bred GSP's into the bulldogs to help with stamina since you can't wear one of them dogs out, its just go go go all day long...The GSP you hunted behind, what did he hunt like if you don't mind me asking?

I hunted behind one once no hogs found but he was go go go go go liked his hunt that was for sure but my mtn cur hunts just as hard so

The dogs balance is not the least bit affected as I understand it. Thats an old gamedog man folk tale. The tail will allow the dog to feel for the corners of the box, but these are Abs so that has no bearing on these dogs. I use them for hog hunting. Pete had his tail docked last June, didnt affect him one bit.

Thanks. I would have never guessed nose. I’m not sure why anyone would want a better nose on a "CD" but to each their own I guess. Im not real big on crossing breeds but I have seen some really good results in the CD category.

Man those are awesome looking dogs.I have one with some old hines blood from Scott and he is really cool.Personality and tough as nails and he is just a pup.He tries to lock on anything right now.Anyways very nice.

If all AB's looked like that i would have never owned a dogo, Great looking working dogs, i love their head. How much do you charge for pups?

I sure would like to hear some of the results that folks are having with the Dogo/pit cross. I just picked up a pup and I am looking forward to giving him a try.

The one i owned was not up to my standard as a cd, but the guy i sold him to liked him alot last i heard. That was probably just my luck of the draw, i dont see why any cross b/w dogo/pits & ab's wouldnt make a cd if its from good stock.

Thanks for the kind words ;)

To the guys I know who are hunters I have been giving them dogs for free, I just ask for breeding options of the dogs prove out. They just needed to cover shipping. Also anyone they refer can get one for free same deal. Only people I dont know I would charge. I look for the right fits for all cases. As you can imagine its a huge financial burden so eventually I may have to charge, but to me the most important thing is to get these dogs in hunting hands to preserve what they are.

Jay,who in the heck told you they used a spaniel cross to catch with???

Some guys that Barry met last time they went to work dogs. Said those crosses have been used for years.

You have some great looking dogs and I really like the way you think.  The breed and lines are 1st that is hard to come by these days.  Doing right by the dogs is almost a lost way of thinking in most circles.

Thank very much you Sir,

It's good to know there are people out there that can appreciate what I'm trying to do for these dogs.  ;)

That is aweaome crib, hoghunterdfw and i are doing the same thing with the dogos we got from the PPC kennells in europe. If she has more than the 5 pups we already have placed in hunting homes (for free as well) we will have to swap one if your interested.

Here is the link to the ppc website we got our dogs from, my pup is out of Galan and paloma there pictures and history page's are right next to each other on the website, similiar in the working instincts and size for endurance etc as your AB's The wonderfull people at ppc took a loss to get us our dogs but all the health testing and shipping from europe was not cheap, which is why we are giving them to fellow hunters with future breedings when needed since anything can happen with a cd. I will sell one or two to recoup the $ i paid but after that its all about preserving the line. Again great looking dogs. her is what mine is out of. (nothing to do with spanials ... my bad)

http://www.dogo-argentinokennel.com/pages/our_dogs.htm

Crib Have you heard the theory that bobbing tails can lead to hip problems due to the lack of laterel movement desighned to keep proper mobility in there tailbone and hips?  I have obviously heard/been told that but dont know how relevant it is  ??? You seem to have pleanty of older bulldogs with a bob tail and i was curious your thoughts.

Awesome bulldogs Crib!!!!  I dig what you have going on in your yard.

I haven’t heard that, I also haven’t seen anything to support that being true. My dogs still wag and move their hips. There is just not enough tail for them to wack on things. If they do bust their tails up on things, up here that’s $700.00 or more to amputate. Also some white English bulldogs have been born bobtailed, I haven’t heard of them having a higher incidence of hip problems.

Thanks for the offer, but dogos aren’t my cup of tea.

Thanks Cull Buck,

Much appreciated  ;)

dog was all hunt.  hunted deep and silent and would usually catch anything he found (or at least try).  Died of old age a couple years back but my buddy has a gyp out of him, great pen dog not a bad woods dog but nothing like her daddy

Great pics Jay. I love bulldogs that look like bulldogs.

Thanks David,

In addition to that, they have drive like a terrier and throw both! Searched long and hard to get this type. I'm very glad I have the opportunity cuz if I couldn't find em I wouldn't be in dogs at all. Dyme really looks like she took. Can't wait til they are here! Keep your fingers crossed ;)