EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I made a comment last nite to a young person ( what do you need papers for on a cur dog? Papers dont make a dog!) Now Im not doing this to start an arguement with any one that raises papered dogs. More power to you. I just want the person that I said it to understand where Im coming from. And I know this topic has been talked about in length on here before.So my comments are to that person.
Any body can get their dogs paper if they can go back 3 generations. Heck even I can do that. The bottom line is ( to me) you have no way of knowing what any of the ancesters have done because there is no recorded record of, unless you have seen the dogs do it. There are no cur dog trials with these peolpe that give these papers to show that a certain family of dogs have earned the right to be papered.
The bird dog people have trails all the time to show and prove their dogs. To me all you are doing is paying some outfit to print up a set of papers to let you know who your dog is out of.
Dang all my dogs are foundation bred.But they are my foundation breeding and I dont need papers to prove it.
Thank all for letting me express my Thoughts on this. Aint America Grand

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Ronnie
   i know what you are saying papers dont make a horse either..     if we had cur dog trials to prove our dogs it might be different.  i wouldnt buy a cur dog just because it is reg. , if a man wants good stock go to the man that has been raising good stock and start from there.

I have mixed feelings on that subject, because the papers are only as good as the integrity of the person selling or registering the dog. They can be swapped and falsified, and all that.

However, I feel that the papers are just a paper trail to show the dogs lineage, its a way to trace back the generations, and hopefully be able to keep records that may be lost if oner individual in the chain of a long line is no longer able to communicate to pass on the lineage.  So its just another tool, only works if used properly.

If I die today, who will know what and how my junk got to where it is now? Well if I do, yall can look in my computer as I have a pedigree software that has it all down, and notes on what type/style of hunter the dogs are.

I know where two dogs are right now that are supposedly out of full registerd stock, the husband passed away, the papers weren't kept up, and the man that was given the pups by the widow, won't pass on the rest of the info to fully trace the dogs down, to know how these dogs could be line bred again to keep the same great traits , I totally appreciate in these dogs. If the papers could be tracked and relatives could be found I would use the dogs in my Registerd stock to hopefully build better dogs on already really good dogs.

I agree....papers should be no more than a keeping of records.  I haven't any use for those who might try to market based on paper alone.

I look at it like this....Knowing the recipe won't make a dish taste any different, but if you like what your having it might tell you why!

well said

There is nothing wrong with papers!!
I guess if I was plaining on peddleing my dogs then I would want papers!!But that is not my what I intend for my dogs so I will just keep my own papers!!

 Papers can be jacked with to much unless you have a dna on the dogs then they are no good to me to many people lie for a dollar!!

I had a guy try and sell me a rednose pit with "papers" but little did he know i had papers on my blue pit put them side by side and his papers were FAKE and in the end he admited to it so he didn't make his 150 bucks that day

My dogs do Have papers on then!!!! There in a folder in my deck drawer and I didnt have to pay someone to keep up with them.Cward it scares me that we think so much alike

   My dogs can't read and they could care less who their moma and daddy are, so I keep up with that. All they have to worry about is catching hogs good enough to suit me. I can run their pedigree back to the early seventes and thats as far are further than any registerd BMC.

I prefer to work with pedigreed dogs....not necessarily registered, but I want to know their pedigree and the dogs in it. So, do I like/want papers? Yes, I do...but, they don't have to be from a registry.

 Heck if you want papers go to first monday in Canton and a fellow can print you up some for $20. Its the unpapered dogs that have been bred, raised, and worked in a family for generations and generations that Im looking for. Not some marketed and advertised bloodline thats out there.

There the man is!!Ya'll have been quiet!! How have you and skoal been doing!!

   CUR DOG According to HOYLE ...-                                                                                                                                                                           Cur is a type of hunting and all-purpose dog developed in rural areas of the United States. Cur is used to describe this type of dog, although it does not describe a specific breed. Breeds of cur are usually not recognized by major show registries, so selection for certain looks hasn't been a main factor in their development. They are normally selected mainly for hunting or work ability, although some breeds of cur are also known for herding ability. Consequently, most cur breeds have extremely flexible appearance standards; enough so that a complete breed appearance standard is difficult to create. The resultant diversity in appearance and selection for physical ability result in breeds that tend to be genetically sound and healthy.

They are descended from European dogs brought over by immigrants, possibly mixed with native American dogs.  Unlike the true mutt which is random-bred with no human involvement, the curs' breeding is intentionally planned by people.

 I think that papers mean something to breeders and people interested in lineage, but in my oppinion they don't mean much when it comes to performance. I've seen high dollar bred horses that couldn't hold their own in a roping pen up against non papered, back yard bred horses. Just like we all know that a top dollar papered pup may or may not hunt.

I've owned one registered cur that had papers and I never even looked at them.  I was more interested in the working product.  I ended up getting rid of the dog and the papers went with him.