EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Here as of late I have been here at the house takin care of my wife. So yall have seen me postin up quite a few times. I have been here drinking on my 4th cup of coffee and running some of the post I have seen over in my mind. Some of the arguements about all types of breed of dogs and what they are good for. And this is the best place in the world for up and coming young dog people to learn about this sport.

But with that being said there are still groups of people out there that are only in this to make a buck. And have lost the true insite into what working with dogs is all about. Pride, Pleasure, and saticfaction.

It takes dogs with a multi talents to excel in this sport. And I can not think of any breed that has a monoply on the market when it comes to having the best  dogs.In my years of being around these typs of working dogs I have seen great dogs in several breeds.For me it was the bmc,this breed of dog works for me, it has been around for more years than some breeds and there has been some great breeders that have takin them to the next level.And I would like to think that is where I am taking my dogs to.I guess we will find that out when Im gone.lol



 

well said sir, nothing like hearin a good dog bark

Mr. Ronnie, you are right there are some that are jacks of all trades and others that master a particular talent. Some folks want a specialist. With so many options available, and so many personalities out there everybody has a choice, This is still America, for now. We should be proud that we are still free and have those choices to make for ourself, to decide what we each like and make the most of those oppertunities. However those oppertunities and freedoms should not neccesarily mean taking advantage of others wanting to share or take part in what one individual has such passion for. At the same time some people just don't understand or appreciate anything if they have not paid a good dollar for it, those are the same ones that don't understand paying their dues through blood, sweat and tears.
I know alot of times I am just plain pesimistic now days, in the beggining I was just plain Gung-ho and full of passion, I still have the passion for the dogs, its the people that have inspired my negativety. I for one appreciate the long difficult climb to have what I do today, it was all life lessons.
I know the prices and Free discussions, will never be settled, I have been on both sides of that debate, and will most likely continue too. I have several people out there that I will give dogs to for free time and time again, and others that ain't got enough money for me to sell them someones elses dog much let alone one that I would consider feeding myself, and others that once they have bought a dog from me and done well by the dog, will be encouraged to get others from me at little nothing or Free from Then on.
That has nothing to do with age or experience as much as is does appreciation for the dogs, and the attitude to do the best that they can by the sport and ther dogs themselves.

Well said, and I know how passionate you are about your dogs, and proud of them and well deserved, you do a fine job with them.

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Mr Ronnie,  the bigest challenge in raising good dogs is most of the good ones are dead and gone before you get the time to prove them and there pups to know what you really have.
                   its the same with a stallion and broodmare, figuring out what you will get when you cross this mare with that stallion.  it takes years of commitmet to get to the point where you know what you have and what you can produce.    i think thats what these young guys  need to realize and respect.

I know exactly how ya'll feel I've only been working with hog dogs for three years .... But a number of years ago I hunted and trained bird dogs and the buyers and hunters of the dogs I had and worked with are the reason I stopped.  To be at a trial and see some guy yealing,blowing the whistle,shocking the number 2 out the dog with the ecollar,the sceaming HERE HERE HERE then jerk the dog by the collar and chunk him in the a kennel or box, would just piss me off and ( I have the right to remain silent but lack the ability )  the ( If you treated me like that I wouldn't come back to ya either!!) commit never went over well ....If you respect the dog he/she will respect every comand you give,to the death in some cases, JMO..   You gotta love the dog as much as the hunt!!

Mr. Ronnie,

I have admitted to my own failures as a breeder and that is why I have so much respect for the men and women such as you that have the knowledge and have put the years and effort in to breeding their dogs. Folks just can’t understand much less appreciate the heart ache, frustration and years of dedication involved unless they have tried it! Like you say, I don’t think it has a thing to do with a breed of dog at all either. It’s the good men and women behind the breed or line in a breed that make them the kind of good dogs in which they are bred for.
Nobody or no breed has a monopoly on good dogs that’s for sure. I know guys that have gotten good dogs from pounds and strays that have wondered up but the best dogs I have ever raised for hog hunting were given to me from men like you. I bred a small handful of good ones out of those dogs also.
If it wasn’t for men like you I probably wouldn’t be a hog hunter today from pure lack of ever owning a good hog dog because it has always been about the dogs and the pleasure I get out of hunting with them.
I have been on both sides of the fence on this subject and can see the age old issue with good bred dogs and understanding them and their breeders. I feel like I have a handle on the big picture here but I have been wrong before.
 To the defense of these young guys and newbie’s (just a little), Its hard to appreciate and respect what you aint never seen!
Craig, when they realize, I think most will respect if there attitude is right. I did anyway.

Hey Ninja for a couple hunderd bucks Ill put in the will. LMAO

Well sir I am sure it would be worth it to me! lol. I hope it dont keep costing me money to stress a point! lol

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Ain't nothing like workin with curdogs, especially when you've breed, raised, and trained them yourself.

Well said Ronnie,....I agree with you all the way. I aim to hunt until my legs won't carry me any longer.....and now since I just bought a Ranger, I'm gonna be good for a loooooong time to come. I sure have enjoyed talking with you Ronnie, us older guys gotta stick together you know, and if I ever get down to south TX I'm going to look you up and sit on the porch and talk hogs and dogs for a spell. Then go catch one maybe!