EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Nothing has changed 2010/2011 season on SHNF WMA NO DOGS. All the wrighting letters & phone calls did not do anything

It's a damn shame to have all that land and all those hogs and you can't do anything with em. It really wouldn't suprise me to see them sell large portions of it in the next 5-10 years to papaer companies. They just take away a little here and a little there till there is nothing left and then blame it on us. Hell of a system they have worked out.

Man, I sure would like to get back in there and hunt on horseback again.

Joey

i would like to just get my dogs in there without getting in trouble

Neighboring land owners need to take action by contacting their State and federal Representatives to demand action be taken to protect their property. The easiest way is to allow hunting all year by any legal manner.

 I think some of the hunters shot themselves in the foot. I have heard from some people who own land around the SHNF and they spoke about people jumping fences and hunting their land with dogs. Trail cams,prints,etc. Also, wasnt there a form that hunters filled out showing how many hogs they killed,days hunted etc? I doubt many people filled those out. Not saying it is right to take our rights away just that it isnt all to blame the govt. We all know of the bad apples in our sport. Maybe I am way off base.........

I agree to some of this!!But there are just as many deer poachers as hog hunting !But they sure want pull there deer hunting away!!

Thats BS propley 95% of the land owners let people hunt hogs with dogs

i cant help but feel this has something to do with china owning all the national and state parks now  that your president obama borrowed billions from them... O0 O0

i heard something about this a year ago or so on the rush limbaugh show. i hope it aint so.

 I will take that bet. 1k sound good?


  Chance,
     I agree about the deer hunters but people perception of hog hunters isnt a very good one so...... Soon enough the deer hunting will be by the draw system to bring in more money.

This is correct I have hunted the forrest all my life and never had any trouble with neighbors property!!
But the trouble is now if are dog cross into the forrest then we are trespassing!!

Cantexduck where we live we do have pemission all around us we have good neighbors that is what captin is talking about!!

Your dog go on Fed land drop all your gear except the Garmin and dog leads. You are in dog recovery mode only! I would not even leave a pocket knife in my pocket! That nobody can say you were hunting. I was hunting but when the dogs went on Fed land I left all the hunting gear on private property that I had permission to hunt and went to catch my dogs! I believe am allergic to incarceration and do not want to find out for sure!

I will tell you I personally believe deer poachers outnumber hog poachers 10:1 but you'll never see deer hunters treated with the suspicion and disrespect that hog hunters are! Its pretty disgusting really, almost every land owner that I talk to about hog removal starts off defensive. You can say we should police ourselves better but I think its more than that.

I heard this was a decision made by the federal game warden.. Alot of it was because people weren't filling out their proper amount of harvested hogs. As a result the federali's came in and decided to give certain people trapping rights and traditional hunters a chance at controlling the numbers. No worries guys, we've talked to few trappers and their numbers are extremely light.. If the ban does happen to last a little longer consider it a sanctuary for the hogs and bigger/badder big boys running around.. We have tons of places in and around the shnf, and certainly can't wait for the ban to be lifted

I doint no about that they could let them hunt them to . Are season only went from January 15 to March 15 & the last 2 years were February 1 to March 15 And it was all legal means

If it is Federal land then contact your Congressman. Write a very nice letter, get it proof read, stating your position on the issue as respectfully as you can and send it. How many people are writing to stop dog hunting. There just needs to be more from us than them. It is just that simple. Politicians just want to get reelected.

That is the best Idea I herd of yet !!
If you work for the goverment you always have a boss and the last and final boss is a politician!!

allright then how bout this, if someone on the BOD of tdha reads this, i would like to propose that the the TDHA drafts a letter to whom it may concern and attach an electronic petition, so that we may all sign it, then if after delivery of said petition the TDHA BOD's do not hear back from anyone within one buisness week they should release the phone number of whatever office we need to kindly, and tactfully call. Im pretty sure some folks did this last year but lets do it again. other groups of people in our country have learned that the whiniest baby gets the b@@b and its high time we get our shot

 :'( :'( :'( I'm Whining with you my friend!!

 :D as you may could tell by my lack of grammer and proper spelling, I aint the one to write the letter but lets get it crackin. And Mike, Chris, Matt etc didnt yall used to do like like a annual Sam Houston weekend? I wonder with the Economy in Shambles if we could convince the powers that be that dog hunting could be a decent source of revenue for the park service, as in something like a public tournament for hogs with entry fees paid directly to wichever park hosts the event and maybe even an expo in one of the event areas.
is there any public facilities at Sam Houston big enough to host such a function?

I assumed TDHA would have made this one of their top priorities being that the majority of TDHA members are hog hunters.

I did speak with Officer Scott a couple of times last year... they're gonna give the year round hunting and trappers a chance to see if that will have an impact on the hog population. Which I know it won't, after deer season the hunter's are gone for the year. In the last ten years that I hunted out there, I think we ran into a gun hunter twice... one of them put his gun up and came to run the dogs with us.

Yes we did it for the first two years ETHD was online... that was 30 to 40 permits purchased just for that weekend hunt. I also hosted several of the Big Dog Outings we used to put on for Texasboars... lot's of money put in over the years for those weekend hunts.

Here was our last one in 2009...
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  In my humble opinion, hog hunting is pushed aside by the govt. because there is no money in it for them. There is big money to be made off of deer hunting. We all know that our govt. is ran like a business and if there is no profit to be made then it doesn't really matter to them.
    I think the the best thing that could ever happen is for the hogs to get soooo populated that they overrun the deer in SHNF. I hope that the deer all leave because the hogs eat all of the acorns and tear everything up. Maybe then the govt. will take a second look at hog hunters. ;D Like i said though, just my opinion.

We happen to share the same opinion on this. The hog population will explode in there before to long. Then what? Will we get to dog it again?

well i have never hunted a nf never needed to to catch hogs  seems to me the guys that have property around it will have hogs they should want the hogs removed go talk to them  .the nf is not the only place to catch hogs they are every where  maybe just not as many in such a small area but that why its called hunting  go find some hogs

roughdog,

    With all due respect, if you have never hunted the SHNF, then you don't understand.  That's about like telling someone that is surrounded on three sides by a 180,000 acre wildlife preserve to hunt the private land, but don't cross the line.   There is a mix of private and public land in the SHNF.   Now the private landowners cannot have doggers come help them with the hogs, because the doggers cannot get permission to retrieve their dogs without risking a fine.  In this case the feds have crapped on both their neighbors who own land surrounded by the SHNF and the sportsmen aka doggers that have been singled out an not allowed to hunt the SHNF.

I agree but you are missing the point. Its simply our rights as hog doggers. Isn’t it fair that dog hunters get a piece of the pie also? You let them chip away at our way hunting and soon it will be gone.

It is our right to hunt it we pay taxes and has long as we pat our dues and dogging is legal in texas we should have aright to hunt it!!
Hell I like to take a colt up there and ride why not take a couple of dogs with me and huntalittle while I am there!!But don't have that right anymore!!

Like roughdog I do not plan to hunt a National Forest. However we need people to be on our side to prevent laws against us. I had some exposure to a congressman's office. Maybe some paragraphs that could be copied and pasted are good. If it is a form letter they go in a pile. If you seem to hold extreme views it is disregarded. If you continue to contact with extreme or crazy stuff you are put on a list to disregard completely. You can call your representative and speak to someone who will verify you live in district. (Never contact a representative if you are not in district they do not represent you.) They will open a file on the computer with your address and put you opinion in. They do this to represent the people in the district. This is their job and keeps them in office. A letter has your address so they can verify you are in district and they get your words correct. If you speak better than write then call. Writing allows you to be calm and have someone else read your letter to be sure that you state your opinion in a respectful manner. IF YOU ARE A HOTHEAD DO NOT CALL! or you will make the list every representatives office has by a different name. If your neighbors do not like the hogs or support hog hunting have them write or call. If you do not know who to call go here http://www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/. Be sure to take Federal issues to the Federal Representative and state issues to the state representatives. If you are unsure they will tell you or just disregard what you say. For the most part hunting is a state issue.

If you live in Texas http://www.fyi.legis.state.tx.us/ will tell you who represents you.

SHNF is a blurred line.   Federally run, but you pay TPWD for the public lands permit.


Dub,
You make some very good points...

Cicle C that is why you have to contact both about NF

  We are lucky enough to know people who are land owners who happen to let us hunt hogs with dogs but not everyone is so lucky. Some people would like to hunt hogs with dogs and all they have is SHNF land to hunt. Just in case i become one of those who depend on govt. land to hunt on, I would like to protect our rights to hunt there.

Ive never protested, but I believe in the right to do so, ive never been on trial for murder, but I believe in the right of habeas corpus, and ive never hunted the Sam but I will fight for the right of others to do so. If you don't stand up for your neighbors there will be no one to fight beside you when big brother comes for you

Amen!!

I was told by tpwl that hunting was a privilege NOT A RIGHT

[/quote] I was told by tpwl that hunting was a privilege NOT A RIGHT
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so is being my representative ;)

I was told by tpwl that hunting was a privilege NOT A RIGHT
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so is being my representative ;)
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IT IS A RIGHT AND WHAT MADE AMERICA NOT ENGLAND!!!! Maybe they need to take a history class and it is all over the laws that made our country! A fox was deemed a noxious beast. It was determined that wild animals were not owned by any individual until mortally wounded. That the states had LIMITED ability to regulate the taking of wild animals. I would get a name and let my state rep know what they said! I am tired of new laws remove more rights everyday!

In England all the wild animals were property of the Royal Family and the punishment was harsh if you killed the king's animals. The name Ward came from the Wardens that watched over the king's animals and enforced the punishment. That meant he could hunt. That is why early pilgrims starved to death with animals all over the place. Hunting was a foreign concept. So here in the country I and many other fought for hunting is a right!

Ya'll see that Ward stay off my land I don'y care if you starve!!LOL Thems my hogs!! ;D ;D

if they marked with a little hole under the tail theyre yours right ;)

Man alive you remebered!!You been turning all my hogs loose ain't ya!! ;D
Just let me know your mark and I will make sure that yours will be turned loose!! ;D ;D

Mine are the ones with ear to ear grins from outrunning my curs. If you run across them slap em on the butt and send em due south for me  :D

I sure think I can handle that my friend!!Them curs of mine might not catch up with them but I will most greatfully send them runners your way!!LOL

BTW my name is Ward too. That means the animals on your land are mine ;D

In feudal England the Parker was the kings land manager so y'all owe me some hogs, to bad my ancestors didn't stay in touch with the royalty  :P come to think of it they probably fled to America to avoid being hung for poaching red stag  ;D