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Title: Silent hounds
Post by: Rbelote on September 07, 2010, 09:17:56 pm
I have heard of almost silent plott hounds and people crossing curs with plotts of course.  Is this only a trait that can be found in a plott hound or will blue ticks, red ticks, walkers etc. do the same? Is it just the luck of the draw finding a semi silent hound?


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: gtown dogger on September 07, 2010, 09:40:41 pm
i dont know for sure but my two lead dogs used to be completly silent but now semi since i havent hunted must plus there ageing a little.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Rockin-P-Ranch on September 07, 2010, 09:48:07 pm
There is an oldtimer coon hunter down here where I live. I have known him for almost 30 years and he runs the old english red tick houds. He has been after me for a couple of years now to breed to one of his males that he says is silent. Until he trees.dont know my be worth a try.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: BULLMASTER on September 07, 2010, 09:48:40 pm
I have raised hounds for over 30 years and have seen 2 that were silent on a track,just my opinion but I think its the luck of the draw.I have tried every hound cross you can think of and the best luck I have had was crossing redbones with Cats and they would still run open half the time.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: bayem~and~slay em on September 07, 2010, 09:52:37 pm
My buddy has a full blood bluetick he is as silent as our curs he also has alotta plott blood all silent and his lead dog is half cat half redbone she is silent too she is a bad dude


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: ETHHunters on September 08, 2010, 07:37:55 am
I have a couple crosses that are silent. I beleive it is luck of the draw. I have seen more black and tans that were silent than any other hound breed.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: parker on September 08, 2010, 07:59:21 am
first registered treeing walker i ever  owned  i  got as a pup  he  never  opened  on  track  just tree ...and  he  sounded  like  3  dogs  treeing at  the same  time ...


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Hog Dog Mike on September 08, 2010, 09:45:11 am
I have a Plott hound that is silent on track.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 08, 2010, 10:08:15 am
Most bird dog hound crosses I ever had were silent, most made good all around game dogs to. Would like to have a hound that would openly strike off the box, but be silent on trail. That would be handy up here where you gotta hunt hard to find the hogs and cover lots of miles doing so


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: catchdog7469 on September 08, 2010, 10:10:56 am
I have had a few black n tan that where silent when I coon hunted. I had and old man that only ran mostly hound crosses tell me if you cross a deep bawl mouth hound to a cur the pups would be silent or give very little mouth n if you cross a chop mouth hound with a cur they would mor that likely be wide open. Never Tried it.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: leifbarnes on September 08, 2010, 10:37:04 am
At what age would you call your dog silent?  I know it's got alot of variables just curious.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: ETHHunters on September 08, 2010, 10:38:37 am
At what age would you call your dog silent?  I know it's got alot of variables just curious.
I would say at the age they start running their own track.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Colby T. Brown on September 08, 2010, 10:40:03 am
I have a big hunting walker coondog that is silent on the ground and an every breath tree dog. He is out of a gyp that was the same way. A lot of serious competition coonhunters like a silent dog that can get off by it's self and get treed with a coon. I have thought about breeding this walker male to a big hunting cur female, i think it will work very well.

I just bought a 6 month old male pup out of a silent walker gyp that is a PKC silver ch and a field trial english pointer. Both of the dogs this pup is out of are big hard hunting dogs, time will tell if this pup will work out. I showed him a hog this weekend and he bayed him with a big bawl mouth. If he will stay silent on track and have the hunt, he will be the right kind.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: firemedic on September 09, 2010, 04:09:14 pm
I've owned only one silent hound and he was a Plott out of open dogs, but he was totally silent. Seen a few in my days but not that many, however......it seems that a lot of half Plott dogs that are from an open Plott and some other dog are silent....totally. I don't have a clue why this is but it is. I have a half Plott/ half Catahoula female that is as silent on track as a dog can be, but bays her heart out when she's looking at a hog. So I wouldn't hesitate a second to get some half Plott dogs and I'm bettin' that they're all sient too.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: zachW on September 09, 2010, 04:39:23 pm
i had a blue tick, i just traded her, but i all ways said she was silent, but allso figured the second some one else hunted with me she would be as open as she could,  i dont know why i thought that, she just had that feel to her i guess


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: raider54 on September 09, 2010, 11:18:13 pm
I have hunted hounds for 30 plus years and have seen a handfull of silent hounds, your question was "are plotts the only hounds that are silent?" NO! you could find one every once in a while in all the hound breeds but you are more likely to find a silent Plott or Redbone than you are in the rest of the breeds. I believe that is because Plotts and Redbones back in the day were used more on big game like bears and Mt. Lions. In the coon hunting world all competative hounds Must be registered! and con not be silent. If they are silent they will be disqualified! because your 4 main breeds in the coon hunting world are Treeing Walkers, American Blueticks, English Hound (both Bluetick and Redtick), and the Black & Tan. Its my opinion thier open mouth genes have been more concentrated than perhaps the Plott and Redbone have. This is just MY OPinion after being in the hound world for so long. Im sure there are other opinions out there. Just trying to answer your question best I could.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: koyote76 on September 10, 2010, 01:39:20 am
best luck your gonna have is getting a crockett bred plott. hard to find. and when u get one still may be open but half the ones i hunted behind have been silent to semi silent.

good dogs. but basically just a hotter nosed plott with alot of catch/grit


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: jsh on September 11, 2010, 05:17:11 am
I THOUGHT I had a silent hound until about two months ago.  This dog is in his prime, 5 years old and for whatever reason very recently started opening up.  I ran him with another dog that was semi open and that's all it took.  Now it may be just coincidence that it happened, but that's the only reason I can figure out why.  I don't think you can determine them silent at a certain age based on my experience.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: JLH on September 11, 2010, 07:32:37 am
JMO I think that any breed of hounds can have silent dogs. I go to competion hunts and thier are some dogs that are tight mouth( that means some are very little mouth). I have also seen them that was total silent untill they got treed. I know of several crosses of hounds that have pups out of thier litters that would bark and some that wouldnt, but seemed if the silent was with another mouthy dog then they would open too.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Reuben on September 11, 2010, 01:34:52 pm
I have a big hunting walker coondog that is silent on the ground and an every breath tree dog. He is out of a gyp that was the same way. A lot of serious competition coonhunters like a silent dog that can get off by it's self and get treed with a coon. I have thought about breeding this walker male to a big hunting cur female, i think it will work very well.

I just bought a 6 month old male pup out of a silent walker gyp that is a PKC silver ch and a field trial english pointer. Both of the dogs this pup is out of are big hard hunting dogs, time will tell if this pup will work out. I showed him a hog this weekend and he bayed him with a big bawl mouth. If he will stay silent on track and have the hunt, he will be the right kind.

Sounds to me like he will be a trail blazer... :)


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Reuben on September 11, 2010, 01:39:10 pm
At what age would you call your dog silent?  I know it's got alot of variables just curious.
I would say at the age they start running their own track.


The strain of mtn curs I hunted were semi open on track as pups but the older they got most became silent unless the track was smoking hot or they would open a little if the hog broke bay. If they were hunted several times a week or more they would tend to be even quieter on the track.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: Colby T. Brown on September 11, 2010, 09:20:42 pm
I have hunted hounds for 30 plus years and have seen a handfull of silent hounds, your question was "are plotts the only hounds that are silent?" NO! you could find one every once in a while in all the hound breeds but you are more likely to find a silent Plott or Redbone than you are in the rest of the breeds. I believe that is because Plotts and Redbones back in the day were used more on big game like bears and Mt. Lions. In the coon hunting world all competative hounds Must be registered! and con not be silent. If they are silent they will be disqualified! because your 4 main breeds in the coon hunting world are Treeing Walkers, American Blueticks, English Hound (both Bluetick and Redtick), and the Black & Tan. Its my opinion thier open mouth genes have been more concentrated than perhaps the Plott and Redbone have. This is just MY OPinion after being in the hound world for so long. Im sure there are other opinions out there. Just trying to answer your question best I could.

I have never been disqualified for hunting a silent dog in ukc, akc, or pkc. It's stated in the ukc rules that a dog can not be silent, but there is no way to prove a dog is silent. He might just tree a lot of "lay-ups" if you know what i mean. A lot of your BIG money winners in pkc are silent, 100% independant, and accurate. People breed for this type of dog because they can get off by themself and keeps you out of a calling contest. An open mouth dog has a much harder time getting by them self when you are hunting with a bunch of me too dogs.


Title: Re: Silent hounds
Post by: bradley on September 26, 2010, 09:39:39 pm
i have a 1/2 bluetick and 1/2 cat. will not bark until looking at hog. she is really great dog , but she is gritty also. that might be a good combo. it worked for me