EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

ok, if u hadnt looked at the pics of my dogs, please do. and notice emma(yellow bobtail curr gyp) and then brownie my blu strike dog. if i let them out at the same time its on like donky kong. and emma always starts it. i dont know what to do, i dont like it i can really say that. is it normal. is it something u wud cull a dog for? she is a pup, and finally showin some promise, but she cant find pigs if she tryin to fight. she hasnt done it in tha woods, just at home when i turn em out. what yall thinmk?

If it was mine it would definitly, atleast, be on the cull list, BUT...... if she is not ill "at all" in the woods or in the box, i would let her know that she has to mind her manners. JMO, but some dogs are more territorial than others.
 Now if she starts acting this way in the woods or box,  There is no question. "CULL"
I would just let them out one at a time if it was me.

I can't stand a dog that would rather fight then go hunt, but in the kennels or in the yard, thats a different story.  I look at it as they are figuring out the pecking order and whos boss.  As long as they weren't doing it in the woods, I wouldn't really see a problem with it, just keep a eye out, if it gets outta hand, do some corrective training  ;D  

She is most likely trying to establish the dominance of the pack, some dogs act stupid and go overboard.
You need to dominate her often. Let em all know you are the dominant pack leader, and that particvular  dog needs it alot more often than the others. Somebody has to be top dog, and if they are just pups they are looking for a leader and trying to make their own decisions. My decision would be to "be the leader" and take all the guess work out for the pups. Establish this in your pack, and if the dog challenges you then you know the dog has serious issues.

good advice.

and the way you dominate her, when she starts cting up you could have her on a lead and snatch her, also grab by the nape and hold her to the ground on her back.
you shouldn't have to talk when you do this.

I hate to see everyone say cull so quickly, I think you should work with her untill you know YOU have tried your best.

good luck

AS long as shes not doing it in the woods, and is starting to make a dog, id give it some time.  I have one in my yard thats 4 mos old and hes doing the same thing.  he doesnt do it with me, and he hasnt been tot he woods yet, because im not going to risk him showing his butt while im trying to hunt.  I still turn him out in the yard with my older dogs and he gets put in his place regularly, i just make sure it doesnt get out of hand, and if need be intervene with a hot shot.  hes starting to come around though, so i think they are just "working it out".  Id give it a little time and patience

For a minute there I thought I was listening to Ceasar Milan(dog whisperer) ;D

Hey the guy seems a little crazy, but I believe he really knows his stuff.

It would be better for all of us if more people used his methods, especially pit bull owners.

Oh and this is no suggestion, but one time my buddy saved a pit from bein put down, the day before he was scheduled. The pit was very dog aggressive and my buddy suspects he was a fighting dog.

He was on his way to go hunting and this pit and another dog kept getting into it in the box and they had to stop a couple times. the passenger in the truck was suggesting it was time to cull the dog.
Well my buddy decided to give him one more chance and duck taped the dogs mouth shut for the rest of the night and kept him in the box with the other dogs.

well something clicked and the dog was the best catch dog i have been around except for the fact that he would tear up the hog he was catching, for that reason he was retired, and is now a fat house dog around cats, and young children.

thats why I think you can always work with a dog if you have the time .

X2, I will not put up with any fighting on my yard, box, woods anywhere. Im the leader of the pack and you have to let the dogs know that. You have to establish dominance over all the dogs or there will be problems eventually. I go as far as holding a dog down on the ground and biting their ear til they whine, if they snap back or growl its time to cull ruthlessly right on the spot. Thats just me and how its been done in my family for decades and it works.

Ben, I think i would try to bite you too if you were trying to hold me down and bite my ear!! lol  ;D  :D

I got a gyp like that. When she goes too far I chain her up and pet the other dogs. I only have chains for when people have to go in the yard so they are short. When she gets out of hand I just grab her collar and and walk calmly to the tie out without looking at the gyp. After I have played with the other dogs for a few minutes I walk back over being careful to avoid eye contact and release the gyp. I do not pet her or look at her and then just go back inside. She is still a dominant dog but she knows that I will not tolerate her fighting. It was only a problem in the yard not hunting.

  LOL it will only happen 1 time Trent, Id hate to cull you ;D

I have seen a guy get down and growl in the dogs face until it looked away. But I ain't seen a man bite a dog. I will sit back with a beer and watch. Not poking any fun, I would bet money it works. But I liked watching the growling so I bet the biting would be good to watch too. I have growled and even made people think there was a dog fight. I love Tom T. Hall's song How to talk to a Little Baby Goat. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSbyQIUkHXk

i feel a little gay after listening to the goat song ;D :'( :'( :'(

It is a children's song. I guess I should have said that. The point is that you have to talk dog to a dog.

shock collar man that'll teach her ass

The thing with a E Collar and fighting dogs can go 2 ways it will either work or the dog will think that it is the other dog  is the one hurting them, making it worse and the fight more intense.

I would play that Tom T. Hall goat song 24-7 to them. It would be sort of subliminal and have a calming effect. Problem solved  ;)

                 X2 i've seen over use of shock collars ruin good dogs.

  Or they will start eating grass and standing on top of their houses ..lol

Ceasar Milan says the problem dogs need to be rehabilitated and the dog owners trained... :)

Now that's getting to the root cause... ??? The man has a gift. I just wish I knew 1/2 of what he knows about dog behavior and how to communicate with them.


I wouldn't say that emma is a cull if she doen't do this in the woods. However, if she did I would cull her, and, if she is an instigator in the kennel I wouldn't be happy with her and she would not be part of any breeding program.


The dogs I tend to like are not the ones trying to establish dominance but won't back down from a dominant dog. They are good about minding their own business :)

ruaban, man she stayed bayed for 2 hrs tonight. wud catch let go then back up and bay some more. its gonna be hard to cull her now. but i did put her on tha ground and bit tha piss outta here ear the other nite cuz she started a fight thru tha panal in tha kennel. maybe it will work cuz i sure wanna keep her.

Cole, sounds like she is making a hog dog and that you like her too. :)

Some dogs will try to fight through the kennel panels. This was the case with my mtn curs. I tried to move them around to see if I could minimize this. Usually I had a male next to a female. Some folks put tin or something that will block the view for the two dogs that fight through the panels. when they can't see each other they quiet down quite a bit.