EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

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Why would I want to help cut the numbers  down to almost noting ?  That would leave us with noting to do .

"Get the Hog Outta Texas"  Might as well say this.  "Get the Hog Hunters Out of Texas"  If all the hogs get gone !

Who gets the prize money?  The county !  

And we get less hogs to be able to hunt , less land to hunt when the numbers go down.  Do you think these farmers would let us hunt their land if they didnt have a hog problem ?  Just another way for the Goverment to get what they want and let us cut our on throats with our on dull knifes!

You want to help us the little man out and help the state get control of the hogs .  Then put a $100.00 bounty on each and all hogs we catch and kill .  Then I might think about it myself .  Put some money in our pockets for a change instead of everybody else's.   With that deal only the State and the land owners win we get noting but to put ourselves out of business and pay for the whole bill at the same time !

WoW....always good to turn a positive post into something negative.  rolleyes

Any reasonable thinking person can understand hunters cannot discard the hog population. Help in attempting to keep the population under control is the idea. Especially in areas where they are most needed. You will still have plenty of hogs to chase.

Any reasonable thinking person can understand hunters cannot discard the hog population.

There is noting negative about the post just a matter of opinion just because I myself don't jump at every little ad seen don't mean its negative sometimes more thought might ought to go into all of this before calling it a great ideal !  If some place has a hog problem in the city are some other place, then yes do a city are were ever thing not a frecking state wide witch hunt .

I hunt hogs because I love to hunt hogs not to cut the numbers down to nearly extintion and run myself out of a sport I love. No that hunt may not hurt the numbers much but you start getting a lot of these things and watch what happens.  If you dont think they want to run these wild hogs into nearly extinction then you have not been paying attention .

You better rethink what you just said !  If you don't think so !  There has been lots of animals nearly driven to extinction because of hunters and things that start out just like this one is !

TexasHogDogs, I spent $3,000 dollars last year planting a BMR Sudan crop for fall grazing for my cattle. The hogs moved in and ate the head off every plant. Do you mind sending me a check for that? and the extra ton of cake I had to feed because of it?

Try to remember that your FUN, comes at the expense of others.

I hope you see my point.  ;)

Hogs are taking money out of the pockets of hard working farmers and ranchers in this state. I believe we will have a state wide eradication program before to long.

 

 :o The hog population in Texas is already and has been at a point where total extinction is virtually impossible without jeapordizing other native wildlife in the process. All that can really be done or hoped for is to control thier numbers and attempt to manage the population. Don't think we will see (in our lifetime) them become extinct or even close. Goverment or not. Imo.

Crazy to think that overhunting would lead to the extinction of hogs. They've increased 10 fold over the last few years in all the areas we hunt and will continue to increase exponentially.. I'm alll for the hog out!! They're already screwing up my deer hunting!!!

With only 60 counties participating out of 254......I think that the hog population will be just fine for a while!!  ;)

Plus it looks like TDA is asking for #'s as well, not that it will be anywhere close to the actual # of hogs inhabiting Texas, but it is a start.

They want the pigs out, They better open up the state! Get them bows, guns and especially a few of your favorite dogs ready Texas!

TexasHogDog- I live on an island where I would guess the hog population would be less then TX and everyone and his little brother has caught the hogdoggin fever. What keeps our population steady is the fact we only have 8 reserves where we are "allowed" to hunt so the pigs just run to the next town and are breeding there. It will take a massive expensive amount of energy to "wipe out" a population. I would recommend if this happens,Take it for what it is and try to line up a few new spots to run out of the deal.

I bet the indians thought the same thing about buffalo. They would never run out there were so many. Yeah i agree that ya people do have problems and ya them places do need to be maintained. but i believe texashogdogs does have a point. First of all i am not sending anyone a check, but i will offer my dogs and help to your problem. There numbers have increased, but why would we cut the numbers to nothing. I hear farmers all the time. Man them hogs are tearing me up. I offer my free service to them and they then reject. Well if your going to reject all the free offers to save your thousands then you dont need to complain. I think people that have problems that want that then they need to do it or either have some one do it for them. I would not think making a month strickly to killing wild hogs is a good idea. If you personally have a problem take care of it not have everyone hunt everywhere and any where and encourage them to kill as many as they can

Buffalo do not gestate every 115 days with litters of 4-10....or adapt like a c0ckroach. Our hog population is not going anywhere at this point....especially by dogging, shooting, trapping or any other method of hunting. You can even throw in helicopters. The population will not be compromised like that.

8 out of 10 pigs must be killed in order to maintain the population. That is more than unlikely...closer to impossible with the current methods.

Surely a person doesnt think there 100-200 hogs per year is a drop in the bucket to the reproduction rate. Besides that...divide that out to the different areas or ranches hunted and it is hardly effective.

My honey hole gets flown every other year by helicopter. The hunters killed 47 hogs this past weekend. This happens every year and I still catch 3,4,8 hogs everytime I hunt the ranch.

In my opinion I dont think we are in any jepordy at this point...no matter the method or killing round up the state encourages.

bump you do have a good point about the breeding cycle. Im not picking sides or anything this forum is all a matter of opinion. i guess in order to agree with a farmer or a rancher that os loosing all this money i would have to stand in your shoes. maybe then i would have an eye opener. I guess i am in the same boat as some hunters who just hunt don farm or ranch. i love the sport and want there to be a million in just my spots. ya looking at it i guess that is selfish and unfair to the land owner who has allowed me to hunt. I and i no everyone else that hunts or for the most part agree with the cardinal rule of dont hunt other peoples places. Right? and then if people do, then you get mad at he or she that hunted your spot. Why would you be mad if there killing hogs and helping the population? Is it the fact of you don t want your name ruined. Even if they speak to the landowner of a place you took them you get mad. Why is that if there is enough hogs for everyone and there still not gonna go anywhere?

I will send nobody a check as a matter of fact I think someone owes me a check.  Do you know how many screaming farmers I help out each year and get diddly for my services .  Maybe one of them needs to Write me out a check for my Black Jack dog  I lost lets see I think 3000.00 might begin to cover it maybe you could write me a check  .  What about my Daisy dog I lost helping a farmer out controlling his hog problem maybe he would cut me another check for 3000.00 that might cover her. That don't even begin to cover the dogs I have had hurt and have lost.  What about all the vet bills who helps me nobody am I bitching not really.

Give take , Give take is the name of the game I guess.  I eat mine and they eat theirs I guess.

Sure am sure something is coming down the pipe to do away with the wild hogs sooner are later just as sure as taxes come around.  Government will step in with its big nose and ruin something else  !

Am sure if the hogs stay around long enough the Government will tax us for being hog doggers ! Lmao.

You are not the only one that takes losses.

You know I understand that the farmers and ranchers loose money due to wild hogs I understand that and and I feel for them that is why I have helped so many over the years and alot of them will tell you if I had not come when they called they would have lost most their crops never ask for a dime.  That is not what gets me it is when bigger hands try and step n like the TDA a side name for another government agency . They try to make  it all sound like sweet cakes and roses when all it is another way to get the people to jump on board and do their dirty work because they have yet to find out a way to deplete the hog population themselves. I would imagine some big farm insurance company is behind that if a person would dig deep enough into it are some body got paid off some were to start a state wide hunt and announce their will be a 25,000 first place prize money lmao but were does that money go right back into the hands that handed it out ! lmao !  This is what gets me.

If they want to help cut down the hog pop why don't they just put a bounty on the hogs head were the real people hunters would have the chance at making some real money instead of it all being fed back to them in state and local governments like a state wide hunt lol !  I bet even the farmers and ranchers would try their hands at shooting their on hogs are trapping them are hunting them .  They already got the price of wild hogs down so bad that nobody even wants to fool with it ,  Why do you think that is  ?    Just the same as this state wide hunt they are now putting on .  Don't make no sense to me are maybe it does but then again maybe Am just the dumb one .  Am not trying to offend anyone are make them mad but stop and think about it .  When a state agcency steps in and puts on something like this .  Ain't you learned by now the Government is out for no one but themselves .  I would imagine somebody is getting a big check somewere and it aint me are you.

the difference here is that the $3000 the farmer loses is part of his lively hood. it is part of what he depends on to live his life. the $3000 you spend on your dogs or whatever is all part of a hobby that you choose to be a part of. the truth is that we the hog hunters and the farmers depend on each other. they need us to help save their crops and we need them because they own the land we are so priviliged to hunt on. its a partnership that i would never put a dollar amount on. if you do try then you should go buy your own 1000 acre ranch plant crops on it and then do the comparison for your couple thousand dollars worth of dogs and equipment.

Update - Lubbock County as well as others in the South Plains area have joined in.

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the difference here is that the $3000 the farmer loses is part of his lively hood. it is part of what he depends on to live his life. the $3000 you spend on your dogs or whatever is all part of a hobby that you choose to be a part of. the truth is that we the hog hunters and the farmers depend on each other. they need us to help save their crops and we need them because they own the land we are so priviliged to hunt on. its a partnership that i would never put a dollar amount on. if you do try then you should go buy your own 1000 acre ranch plant crops on it and then do the comparison for your couple thousand dollars worth of dogs and equipment.

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TJR89, you said it right right there... :o  I agree one 100 percent.

The pig problem aint going no where any time soon. Hogs breed like cock roaches and fire ants. The only way to really control them right now is through loss of habitat and food source. The Government used to pay money for the ears of the coyote but that only controlled them. Yes, they raise a litter once a year of about five or so but sometimes skip a breeding cycle if the living conditions are bad. On the other hand wild hogs breed about 2.8 times a year and they probably average about 5 piglets each time and they breed before the age of one year. I can only imagine how controlling the hog population would become very expensive, and, anytime the eradication pressure lets up the pig population will only come back.


When I was a kid I was raised on a ranch and farm. I swore I would never be a farmer when I grew up and stuck with that. I can visualize how much worse off we would have been if we had to deal with a hog problem back then on top of every thing else. They have hogs in that part of the country now.

Well I can tell you now the money I have involved in these hog dogs comes from my hard work and sweat just like the farmers do.  Yes I help them out they help me out but that was not what this post was about.

This post was about putting a dent in the population of hogs in Tx.  Then it got about the money involved and off topic which is not uncommon .    You figure it out less hunters more hogs , more hunters less hogs, state wide hunts for every county to join in Texas and the numbers sure are not going up they are going down three four of these kind of hunts plus all the hunters that hunt week end and week out, the helicoptor crews , all the contest put on by private parties  plus what mother nature takes out and the list goes on and on and sooner are later the hog population is going to take a big time dive it is simple mathematics.  The humans can ruin anything going over board it has been proven threw out history.  If you don't think the numbers of hogs in this State can take a big dive at the hands of the people then you are sadly mistaken !

When this happens don't say I didn't say so .  To each his on.

One other thing I would like to add and that is I myself and the people I hunt with in the last five years we have seen a decline in the hog population on the places we hunt and the surrounding area's of our area's.  We have hunted these places hard for the farmers and ranchers and as a result this is the first year ever we have seen a decline in hogs.  The hogs this year were no were near as in numbers as they have always been matter of fact so much so that we have started to relocate some and let the sows live.

I believe that is the point of the program TexasHogDog, To put a "dent" in the population. Which in turn would make hunting actually hunting and not catching. Which will produce better hogdogs! I'm in it for the dogs and what I know I can produce, I only see this program as another attempt to raise the bar for the dogs. It is proven fact the goverment has it's own agenda and unless everyone gets tired of it and votes private party, It will continue!

IMO- hog doggin is a sport, hobby, leisure activity whichever you prefer not a lively hood. I don't do it for profit and don't excpect anything in return. I enjoy seeing my dogs work and training pay off. I can't justify charging someone to run MY dogs on THIER land. It shouldn't be stressful or cause anger. We all know the risk, just part of the game we play. If money, stress, anger or any negative feelings occur from it quit and be happy. Hogs are not going anywhere no matter what is done. I know we all have been to new places just full of hogs and catch a few...push the rest out....then more come in...and more...then they start running more too. Breeding on the run. Again as stated before its all a matter of opinion and well thats mine.

I agree... :)

think about this. how many ranches around your area dont allow hunting of any kind? and other ranches only allow traps, or guns or whatever they so choose. there will ALWAYS be somewhere the pigs can go as a refuge. and in that place they will breed and flourish and keep the cycle going.

i agree that certain places seem to have a dwindling number of hogs on them but i would venture to guess that if you stayed off of those places for six months to a year the pigs would come back in force. there is simply no way to eliminate all the hogs in my opinion. ill hunt using all methods until i'm proven otherwise

If the State of Texas wants pigs gone then there will be less restrictions on hunting. It will help all the hog hunters have a better image. I know I have to fight the negative image as I try to get places to hunt.

dont worry about it. i have learned that people dont want the hogs gone, they just like to talk about it. how many times have yall heard someone complain about there crops or fields rooted up. or there deer feeders knocked down and destroyed. or nothing but hogs on their game cams. you step in and say " hey i cant help you with that, i have hog dogs." and they say " no. dont want them dogs running all my deer off or chasing my cows." and im thinking they just said the hogs are running off the deer and causing problems for their cows. truth is they just like to talk.

i agree with tjr89   i was a farmer not long ago an hogs devastated our crops year after year   thats y i got into hunting so heavily  any of u try to b a farmer an a hunter!  thats an expense u dont wanna see. they will never extinct the hog population for many reasons so as hunters dont worry but as farmers i say worry cuz they may get hunted to smaller numbers but they will return in force again