Title: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 01:39:25 pm just curious to what type of dogs(cur, hound, cross,ect) you guys use that shoot over your dogs alot.
what cal. of gun you use ? Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: arrowbar on January 18, 2011, 01:42:02 pm hounds using everything from a 22mag to 35 rem.
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 01:45:59 pm do you think a hound can stand being shot over better than a cur dog ?
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 18, 2011, 01:56:38 pm do you think a hound can stand being shot over better than a cur dog ? To me, that completely depends on the dog, who's been working it, and how much experience that dog has had. If I give the break command, my hounds know the Bullet is on the way in. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 02:06:45 pm texashog
before i had ever been hurt or had a surgery, i thought,( hell i did) take on any hog my dogs were big enough to bay or catch. im still a young guy be 42 in march but like Toby Keith says " i aint as good as i once was" and that was proven to me this past weekend on a big boar with just me and my dogs, killed one bulldog and wrecked everything else and troted off, needless to say i was glad to be loose from that hog. so shooting over dogs is something im going to explore while hunting alone. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 02:08:42 pm cutter
do your hounds fall back in on the hog after the shot or do they stay back ? Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Circle C on January 18, 2011, 02:08:59 pm Craig,
A couple years ago Des aka MR HG made some real good posts about shooting over dogs and desensitizing them to being shot around. The #1 thing I picked up was to shoot a small caliber gun during feeding time. Might be worth searching some of his old posts. Last year I shot at a couple porcipines while hunting. Two of my dogs loaded up on the mule and they were done hunting. I mean DONE! Fast forward to this year, I had a couple dogs staked out at Jesse Paul's place ( one of them was the same dog from last year), we were sighting in a 22 hornet before a hunt. The dogs did not seem to concerned. The next day, we had a small boar hog bayed in a cedar pile. He walked up and shot the hog with a 30/30 and it didn't phase the dogs, they just piled on the hog. Hopefully this weekend we'll get to see how they handle being shot over again. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: sfboarbuster on January 18, 2011, 02:15:05 pm Every dog i've owned would catch after I shot, whether it was a deer or a hog!
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 02:18:45 pm Chris
i shure like getting my hands on a hog, but if i dont have the right kinda help with me i think ill try shooting. kinda perfect timing cause im out of bulldogs. LoL i just gotta get some dogs gun broke, i might have to start with a cap gun Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Bryant on January 18, 2011, 02:32:41 pm Craig,
I bayed and shot for many years prior to owning a catchdog, and quite frankly I miss it sometimes. I think there are things that can be learned using this method that people don't see when hunting with catchdogs. Here's an example, and frankly one of my BIGGEST pet peaves when hunting especially with new guys....people hear a bark and it's a dang all out race through the woods. I'm not so sure that often times bays are not broken by a herd of hunters crashing through the woods. When I bayed and shot, I took my time....slow and easy...checking the wind direction to approach the bay from down wind...working myself into a position for a good, clean shot. The dogs I had were all curs, and the initial shot placement was critical because the minute that gun went off they were caught! I enjoyed shooting, and killed just as many hogs just as dead as any other method. I started using a catchdog for two main reasons...one reason was we started selling a few hogs and the other reason was so I could hunt at night. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 18, 2011, 02:33:58 pm cutter do your hounds fall back in on the hog after the shot or do they stay back ? When they hear it, that is the same as a dog catching. They are on it, and I mean quick. They generally get back about 10' when I say break. I have never shot a rifle at a bayed hog. I prefer my pistol. I shoot a 40 cal, and I tend to aim for the back of the ear. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 02:54:39 pm Bryant
i have been on those foot race's i know what you are saying for shure, not to mention i dont have any air left in me when i get there ;D did it seem like the hogs were more prone to break if they caught site of you ? Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: dub on January 18, 2011, 03:00:20 pm Craig, I have only shot over bird dogs. But even they should be eased in. I have seen idiots work on a dog but never expose the dog to shooting. The first shot is a 12GA just over their head and they think they got a bad dog. Bird dogs I start with a 22 about 50 yards away and then feed them. I change distance and then move to larger guns. But do most work with a 22 because it is cheaper. But they should also hear the gun you hunt with many time before hunting. Doing right before feeding is easy and throw some extra petting in. You get the idea.A couple years ago Des aka MR HG made some real good posts about shooting over dogs and desensitizing them to being shot around. The #1 thing I picked up was to shoot a small caliber gun during feeding time. Might be worth searching some of his old posts. Last year I shot at a couple porcipines while hunting. Two of my dogs loaded up on the mule and they were done hunting. I mean DONE! Fast forward to this year, I had a couple dogs staked out at Jesse Paul's place ( one of them was the same dog from last year), we were sighting in a 22 hornet before a hunt. The dogs did not seem to concerned. The next day, we had a small boar hog bayed in a cedar pile. He walked up and shot the hog with a 30/30 and it didn't phase the dogs, they just piled on the hog. Hopefully this weekend we'll get to see how they handle being shot over again. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: RockinW on January 18, 2011, 03:04:31 pm dang Craig, hate to hear it. which dog did you lose this time?
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: LionandBoarHunter on January 18, 2011, 03:04:36 pm Craig i start shooting around my dogs when they are pups usually start out with a 22 walking around with them in the pasture shooting if i get one that is nervous or scared of it i put them on a about a 20 ft rope and lead them and shoot and pull them to me and pet them afterwards and they usually get over it in a day or two. All my dogs will catch after i shoot but the hog hits the dirt after they are shot i use a 41 mag or 30-30 when i am hunting i never pay attention to the wind when you got 5 or 6 dogs baying the hell out of one he is not worried about what you are doin i just ease in there and watch a good bay and bust that ass when he gives me a good shot i hav seen it with just one or two dogs its a liittle harder to sneak in and get a shot
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 03:08:52 pm 22 shorts is what i was thinking of starting with..
i have a set of young dogs 1 yr old , so timing is right to start training on them. i grew up shooting out squirrels and coons to dogs and there reward was the coon or squirrel hitting the ground . im shure it will work the some with a hog, but i just imagine 90% of the hogs will just be caught with the curs. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 03:18:43 pm dang Craig, hate to hear it. which dog did you lose this time? Brownie a young bulldog. JR got cut bad but just because he was trying to help me, he wont catch nothing till i do ;D Ice got cut pretty good too. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: TexasHogDogs on January 18, 2011, 03:22:41 pm My dogs hear gun shots from the time they are pups. We will be out shooting at some tin cans are shooting a few doves if it is the season even shooting some rattle snakes out in the feilds . Just start out shooting what gun you are going to prefer and away from the dogs from a good distance then just ease your way in as the days weeks and months go by . I shoot a 12 ga with slugs when am hog hunting its deadly on any kind of boar hog . I have used them all from 22 mag - 30/30 to 45/70. You hit that sucker right with a 1oz peice of lead and he is going down also To me a pistol is a waste of time but am not a pistol man like to carry one if tieing hogs just in case the hog gets out of control can pop him fast . The dogs will get use to the gun. My dogs will bay great up tight when they see me coming in they tend to back off a little so I can shoot its like they know what is fixin to happen. I will get in as close as I can for the shot dont like to take any kind of longer shots than I have to cause with all the action going on and the drelin pumping I have seen some mighty good shots MISS! Just take your time and sneak in . To all the pistol people noting against pistols I just never been very good with one .
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 03:23:51 pm Craig i start shooting around my dogs when they are pups usually start out with a 22 walking around with them in the pasture shooting if i get one that is nervous or scared of it i put them on a about a 20 ft rope and lead them and shoot and pull them to me and pet them afterwards and they usually get over it in a day or two. All my dogs will catch after i shoot but the hog hits the dirt after they are shot i use a 41 mag or 30-30 when i am hunting i never pay attention to the wind when you got 5 or 6 dogs baying the hell out of one he is not worried about what you are doin i just ease in there and watch a good bay and bust that ass when he gives me a good shot i hav seen it with just one or two dogs its a liittle harder to sneak in and get a shot i know i have had big hogs break when they see me but the dogs ussually get them bayed in just a short distance. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Bryant on January 18, 2011, 03:30:13 pm Bryant i have been on those foot race's i know what you are saying for shure, not to mention i dont have any air left in me when i get there ;D did it seem like the hogs were more prone to break if they caught site of you ? Very seldom, and I usually tried for them not to see me. I mostly hunted with one single dog. I will also say that when I hunted this way, I SELDOM killed a hog more than a hundred yards from where the dog struck. Didn't own a tracking system, and never needed one. I also had multiple hogs bayed together more often than now. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Jabo on January 18, 2011, 03:44:50 pm I use a 35 Remington when I'm hound hunting. With the cur dogs also some of the time. Like Cutter, I tell them to back up & then take the shot. Important to make a good shot the first time though. I shot a boar we had bayed bout a year ago and didnt make a good shot. When i shot he went down and the hounds piled on, then he came back up and went to wreckin. Wasnt a pretty sight but live & learn I guess
Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 18, 2011, 04:08:08 pm I use a 35 Remington when I'm hound hunting. With the cur dogs also some of the time. Like Cutter, I tell them to back up & then take the shot. Important to make a good shot the first time though. I shot a boar we had bayed bout a year ago and didnt make a good shot. When i shot he went down and the hounds piled on, then he came back up and went to wreckin. Wasnt a pretty sight but live & learn I guess I completely agree with shot placement being the key. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Dexter on January 18, 2011, 05:55:26 pm Craig
Like we have shot over the catahoulas several times they might catch right after the shot and sometime have hauled ass and circled back in ,, most of the time I hunt alone and I try to carry "thumper" with me and also carry it with me when hunting with others and most of the time no one everknows i have it on me but hammering down on the 50 mark and a bad motorcycle wreck I have to stand my ground cause running is not a option so i carry a .45/410 FMJ derringer made in Ducktown, TN and its saved me and my dogs several times. have shot hog in the head ear and my favorite is right between the shoulder blades and take out the spine o yeah other times we used a 30/30 Dexter heres a picture of Thumper and it will thump your know what if your a limp wrist (http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt51/skiparope/thumper008.jpg) Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 05:59:24 pm i bet that sucker will make your ears ring.
cool gun.. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Dexter on January 18, 2011, 06:03:58 pm thats a understatement
but i paid 75 dollars for it back in 86 I think from a pawn shop bought it for a snake gun and found out you better shoot #4 or bigger if your shooting a big rattler even at 6-8 feet it will really upset them , o yeah if anyone gets one of these ALWAYS have the safty on when loading or hold thehammer back when pulling the barrel back in place you slam it hard and the hammer is down it will go boom Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Jared H. on January 18, 2011, 06:31:00 pm Anytime I hunt by my self I shoot over my dogs. I finally got my own catch dog but he's only 6 months old right now. I've always enjoyed it because it seems if my dogs get one bayed good enough for me to ease in and get a shot it seems you can watch the bay longer. Its nice to sit back and watch em bay.
I bought a dog one time that turned out to be very gun shy and she was waiting for me at the truck about a mile away after I shot. But she was also 5yrs old. My dogs now don't seem bothered by it and they are all curs except one which is part redbone. I usually use a 45 or a 6.8spc which is similar to a 243. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: DangerZone on January 18, 2011, 08:52:46 pm My pups first hog last year happened kinda like Bryant is saying ,, I had three dogs on the ground 2 pups and a 9 yr old pup trainer, it was off to the races with all three dog , put the old dog and the rough cur up and let my redtick bay it up and got it shot no big deal. I don't have a catchdog and I keep wavering back and forth on getting one.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: jwdeltx on January 18, 2011, 10:25:01 pm The ranch I take care of feeds corn year round so after deer season when everyone else stops I start watching for hog sign. About a week ago I found hog tracks around one of the feeders and rooting down in the gravel pit holes, then Sunday I found were he rooted close to the barn. I think this hog has to die, so early Monday morning I took the hound gang in,Patches,Squeak,and Mollie.I turned them out and in a short time the had him bayed ,I took my time walking in and even sat up top watching them bay for awhile .I had to make sure I got in close because I knocked the back sight of my 357mg. When squeak started turning on the heat I decided to shoot the hog before he broke. Made a good lung shot even with the sight missing. Luck was with me this day!!! HUNT'UM UP!!
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: slick on January 18, 2011, 10:36:28 pm i shoot over my cat's at the moment with a 30-30 but once my permit comes in for my .22 ill just use that. i also train them by firing a few shots at feed time or when they are running next to the bike for exercise. i tell them "OUT" and they give me room to take the shot. they go mental now when they hear me open the gun lockup.
i train detection dogs too so i own a starters gun for when i go looking for new recruits to test them for gun shyness. its a good training tool. just dont start too close, work your way in. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 10:39:03 pm seems like alot of guys shooting have hounds.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 18, 2011, 10:42:19 pm thanks, Slick
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 18, 2011, 10:56:30 pm seems like alot of guys shooting have hounds. That's because curs are better dogs. They can do it all. Especially those reversed black mouthed ones. They're really good. You can train most of them to only find boars. Just saying. ;) Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: treeingratterrier on January 19, 2011, 02:09:49 am I have always had a mailbox with a 22 short in it loaded and shoot it every time i went out to feed dogs, weather coonhounds, terriers, wolf dogs, cat dogs or hog or jvelina dogs, i thought everybody did this until i went hunting with some hog doggers, I saw hand cannons that blasted into peeps foreheads after one shoot, shot a flame throwed into the air that scared me and the dogs off a hog bay and lead to a horrible dog gutting when they came back after an idiot shot a 44 mag pistol into a pack baying loose and scattered the hog an dogs right into us in a brush tunnel.. I will only take a 22 or 25 raven old autoloader i still have a bunch of hot loaded by hand loads for, the reason is it the raven will fit in my pockets and brush wont get into it, plus it you have to crawl in brush or up a tree to get a shot at a hog being bayed that has been breaking when it sees you its easier to get a eye shot or ear. Plus if you lose it no big deal at the pawn shop. WE shot over everything with the 22 long or 25 autoloader and the dogs never got ears blasted or flamethrowered off the bay up, also when i quit hunting if you were dumb enuff to shoot a rife especially a blaster off a fence jumping mule at night that did not like it you were likey to walk home or be dragged or bucked into a cctus patch from hell. Another thing is ammo is cheap and easy to get unlike those hand cannons all the sports use to try to bring on paid hunts at the ranch, i never let them bring thieri guns and made them wait and use mine or the helpers same pistol afyrt i gave per,ission after looking it over good, i think the mules i had would let u shoot maybe a 35 o5 something like that in a rifle if u showrf it to them and woahed them some like a heads up, better not miss and try it nite or another shot either, but if u had a 22 that was always kept in the saddle bag in the same place time agte time they learn that it is the same gun and not to fear it, many many times i stood up in the saddle and shined with a Nitelight coonhunting type light that lit up the hog ot bobcat and held a mesquite limb with one hand and the pistol with theother with dogs treeing under and all around the mules feet, the cat would fall out after a shot or2 and no cicus rodeo, hogs were kinda the same way, I tried a 41 smith no work either and also a 38 smith, we went back to old school 22s and forget i he has one got to have one because i saw it in a magazine, plus it wont got thru most hogs and kill a person or a dog, it makes u slow down and take one good kill shot to the ear or eye or even the heart if u dont have dog on other side or someidot from newyork as a paid hunterlol
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: tnhillbilly on January 19, 2011, 03:20:42 am I see your point, but i do alot of bear hunting, and dont carry a gun hog hunting 99.9% of the time but when i do i carry 454 casul, now if you were to bring a 22 to shoot a bear the idiot term would be reversed. ;D
I have shot hogs with bow, pistol, with dogs. no dogs hurt. Most of the bears we shot last year were on the ground with anywhere from 5 to 15 or more dogs baying and were shot with flame throwing cannons, dead bear, no dogs or people shot. Now would i shoot a 454 off a mule while standing in the saddle? certainly not. It just all boils down to the dogs at hand and just like breeds, personal preferance. I cant say if it effects curs more just know that it doesnt bother 90 - 95% of hounds. Now if my dogs think they hear a gun shot wether it be a backfire or fire cracker, they go nutts. which makes it hard to sleep around the 4th of july and new yrs eve. :D Just different strokes for different folks. I just prefer catch and tie, but like it all as long as theres dogs involved ;D Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: catchrcall on January 19, 2011, 09:38:11 am so here's a question for ya. I used to have dogs that did not really care if you shot a gun around them. Then a while ago I had a dove hunter on the next property pepper my kennels with birdshot. He hit a couple dogs, and me ( I was cleaning kennels at the time). Nothing serious just stung them. Still made me pretty mad. Now if they hear a shot they are headed for the pickup. How would you go about curing that? Same as you would starting one out? I don't plan on baying and shooting a lot, but i would like to be able to throw one dog in the back of the pickup when I go fill feeders or something and just let them loose to hunt while i do.
I'm concerned that if I shoot a hog in front of the gunshy dogs they're gonna get spooked every time I get close to a bay thinking they're gonna get peppered again. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: bulldogger on January 19, 2011, 09:58:08 am The first time I hunted hogs with dogs about 10 years ago a couple buddies and myself were invited by a real nice cowboy whose family has ran cows in Florida for generation and has lots of ranches. He took us out and we used a Cracker Cur. Only brought two and only one on ground at time. He brought the son of the female we hunted all day just as backup. We all were in a jeep and he was on a horse. The dog would range out hunting and then he would radio us on jeep where the bay was, we could hear bay typically. He did a great job of how this hunt was going to go down and where to aim on hog before we ever headed out to hunt. I have read on hear were others have had problems with guest and I thought everything went great because he did a great job of preparing everyone. He let us know that when we got a solid bay the shooter and him would get up close and to never have finger on trigger until he said you can put finger on trigger and take your shot. The biggest hog we got that day broke but the dog took out as well as him on the horse and we followed and it got stopped about 400 yards away. The cur was gritty and caught the two about 100-125 pound hogs and was real impressed cause he would just say"bay, bay, bay" and the dog would let go and back up and bark and then he would say put finger on trigger and take shot. He let us know that if the hog moved at all or dog moved in to hog to immediately take finger off trigger. On the caliber of gun he said we could use whatever just as long as it was strong enough to take hog down. He said he had never hunted with a catchdog and always just ran one at a time unless he was training younger dog or not hunting with guest. The female he had, had great handle and it probably was safest way to not have a bunch of other dogs to bay up and gives distance to take shot. SInce then I have only hunted with a Catchdog but really enjoyed the hunt to watch this one dog hunt all day and we shot 5 by lunch and it was hot that day as well. I have never brought even a knife on hunt only rope since hunting in Texas and love that the best because I really enjoy bulldogs.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 19, 2011, 10:23:58 am Mr. knightstock
i shure enjoy reading your post, beeing a dumb country boy i can shure get alot out of what you say or how you say it i guess. for about 5 years in a row i would go to uncle earls in louiisana and set for hours visiting with Cowboy Williams, as i read your posts i hear alot of wisdom and expereance just like i did listening to Cowboy Williams. me and Cowboy would talk about mules, dogs and cows, then back to dogs this would go on for hours. you have said more in 3 or 4 post then most guys will learn in a lifetime... thanks for the imput.. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: matt_aggie04 on January 19, 2011, 10:34:35 am I'm concerned that if I shoot a hog in front of the gunshy dogs they're gonna get spooked every time I get close to a bay thinking they're gonna get peppered again. When I first started hunting I had two dogs and lever action .44 and I killed hogs just fine. I have a male that never ever changes his barking at the shot of a rifle. Now the female that I have had never been shot around and after a few hogs that I shot she would get to where she would watch for me and when she saw me coming close to the bay she would get real loose and then leave out right when the hammer dropped. I enjoyed it but I found in thick country with alot of youpon it is extremely hard to get in close enough for a shot without breaking the bay. Title: Re: shooting dogs Post by: Reuben on January 19, 2011, 11:04:12 am Craig i start shooting around my dogs when they are pups usually start out with a 22 walking around with them in the pasture shooting if i get one that is nervous or scared of it i put them on a about a 20 ft rope and lead them and shoot and pull them to me and pet them afterwards and they usually get over it in a day or two. All my dogs will catch after i shoot but the hog hits the dirt after they are shot i use a 41 mag or 30-30 when i am hunting i never pay attention to the wind when you got 5 or 6 dogs baying the hell out of one he is not worried about what you are doin i just ease in there and watch a good bay and bust that ass when he gives me a good shot i hav seen it with just one or two dogs its a liittle harder to sneak in and get a shot x2, Tie shy pups up close and pet. I use a 22 cap pistol around the pups at feeding time and pet them up. I use a 22 mag pistol with solid bullets when hunting and if the hog is bayed will command the dogs to back up and then shoot and the dogs usually catch unless told otherwise. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 19, 2011, 11:22:30 am i think a 22mag, with the right placement, should handle most situations.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: BarrNinja on January 19, 2011, 11:27:06 am I'm concerned that if I shoot a hog in front of the gunshy dogs they're gonna get spooked every time I get close to a bay thinking they're gonna get peppered again. When I first started hunting I had two dogs and lever action .44 and I killed hogs just fine. I have a male that never ever changes his barking at the shot of a rifle. Now the female that I have had never been shot around and after a few hogs that I shot she would get to where she would watch for me and when she saw me coming close to the bay she would get real loose and then leave out right when the hammer dropped. I enjoyed it but I found in thick country with alot of youpon it is extremely hard to get in close enough for a shot without breaking the bay. How about those bad brier thickets when you can stand 5 feet from a bayed 250 pounder and still not be able to see a single hair of him? I have tried to break bays in stuff like that but you would have thought the hogs were anchored to the ground! There is draw backs to all styles. Part of the fun will be learning and adapting! Keep us posted on how its working out for ya Craig. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: craig on January 19, 2011, 11:30:56 am i shure will.
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Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Reuben on January 19, 2011, 12:07:18 pm I used gritty cur dogs and they would catch a big boar on command. Several times the dogs were cut down and the hog trotted off and I felt helpless. I now carry a 22 mag because of those two episodes. I will tell the curs to back off from a big boar because I would rather shoot than have a valuable dog get killed or crippled.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: cantexduck on January 19, 2011, 09:15:49 pm I use a rem 35 marlin.(have used most other guns too). Bring two dogs with me. a mt cur x plott and a mnc x plott. Snapper(mt cur) will back up when she shes me. The other one I have to wait till she is clear to shoot. Dont use a .22 mag. Sure it will work but sometimes the only shoot you have is of a less then perfect angle. I have shoot a few in the back hips to break it down. a 22 mag isnt going to work on a decent size hog.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Wmwendler on January 20, 2011, 03:42:32 am Craig....you have got some good replies so far. I've been shooting hogs out of the bay for 20 years and Before I found message boards on the internet, I never even knew there was such thing as a catch dog. I always thought caught hogs were an every now and then type thing when you had too many dogs on the ground or the dogs got a smaller hog singled out.
On caliber......I hunt with a 30/30 and 150 grain solid nose bullets. Smaller calibers will work fine if you can make a perfect shot every time. But I am human not perfect and sometimes miss the mark and I prefer to have something a with a little more power thats still effective when the shot is not perfect. No to mention you will encounter situations were you can not make a head shot, and if its a big boar you need something with enough power to make it through the shield and still have enough kinetic energy left to do some damage. I wont take a shot with dogs on the other side no matter what caliber. I always assume a pass through even thought most shots don't. It only takes one time to regret it. On type of dogs.............Hound or Cur does not matter when it comes to advantages for shooting hogs out of the bay. If you prefer one breeds hunting style over the other then go with that. Loose baying style and fewer dogs on the ground makes a safe shot easier to come by. Dogs that bay loose or will back up on command if they don't bay loose. I hunt with Stock bred curs dogs. Its how I was started and still what I prefer to this day after hunting with lots of other types of dogs over the years. On sneaking.............Some hogs might not break if they see, hear, or smell you. But None of them will if they don't, so I always suggest sneaking in with the wind in your favor. Jessie Paul....you must be super stealthy and odorless ;D. But I suppose we allready knew you had super human powers. lol Waylon Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Reuben on January 20, 2011, 05:43:17 am cantexduck,
is that mnc x plott a manning cur x plott? If so what is the breeding on the manning cur? Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: cantexduck on January 20, 2011, 02:49:38 pm Ment black mouth cur. I prefer to drop the mt cur out alone. easy to shoot over her.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: slick on March 06, 2011, 05:03:32 am (http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy113/slickhound/th_P3050011.jpg) (http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/yy113/slickhound/?action=view¤t=P3050011.mp4)
i had the bolt slip open and the round fall out while running in. it was a single shot .22 and that boar was about the 180lb mark, it handled him too easy. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: slick on March 06, 2011, 04:41:16 pm i finally got a clip of myself shooting over my dogs (it aint easy filming and shooting at the same time, but i got it done), as i went to fire the first shot i found that the bolt had come open and the round fell out so i had to quickly had to throw another one in.
its just a single shot .22 that is as old as the hills but does the job. my cats dont mind the gun but you can see my mate border collie jump when the shot is fired. (http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy113/slickhound/th_P3050011.jpg) (http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/yy113/slickhound/?action=view¤t=P3050011.mp4) (http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy113/slickhound/P3050013.jpg) he would have been about 70kg/160lb once dressed, that conversion is a guess too bynthe way. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: miahogger on March 06, 2011, 08:16:55 pm I shoot all theones my dogs bay stick the rest they learn to roll out as soon as I shoot.Sometimes 1 will holds on they no what shot does
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: jwdeltx on March 06, 2011, 08:45:41 pm I forgot to mention that what I call my hound pack is waker/cat, believe it or not they can find a hog.HUNT’UM UP !!!!
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: firemedic on March 08, 2011, 10:13:36 am We hunt hounds and curs both, they know what a shot means....it means a hog to them and they aren't bothered by it. I've been using an M1 carbine for over 10 years now.....yep, the old military gun from WW II. Short, light, even lighter if you'll put a synthetic stock on it. It shoots a 110 gr. bullet that won't go through a hog that's over 70 lbs. Not nearly as loud as a 30-30 or 35, but will kill a hog at over 100 yrds easy. Killed a bunch of hogs with it and only lost 2 that I knew I hit. Try one.....they're a bit pricey, you'll really like it. You can get a Universal brand for about $400 if you shop around.
Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: Reuben on March 08, 2011, 11:07:28 am We hunt hounds and curs both, they know what a shot means....it means a hog to them and they aren't bothered by it. I've been using an M1 carbine for over 10 years now.....yep, the old military gun from WW II. Short, light, even lighter if you'll put a synthetic stock on it. It shoots a 110 gr. bullet that won't go through a hog that's over 70 lbs. Not nearly as loud as a 30-30 or 35, but will kill a hog at over 100 yrds easy. Killed a bunch of hogs with it and only lost 2 that I knew I hit. Try one.....they're a bit pricey, you'll really like it. You can get a Universal brand for about $400 if you shop around. I killed a lot of deer with an m1 30 carbine when I was a kid... Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: GW on March 09, 2011, 11:51:18 am Amen Brothers!!!! I have caught hogs with catch dogs and shot them with bay dogs in my limited 2 year career and it didn't take me long to figure out which I liked the best.
My Reasons to shoot over dogs vs. Catch with dogs: I love my dogs and have too invested in them I prefer to shoot hogs primarily to prevent my dogs from gettn cut down or killed. Since I didn't really want to rig up to catch and transport hogs to sell, why let them SOB's live in the first place. Most of the farmers I hunt on want the hogs dead anyway. Better daytime hunting opportunities. In Oklahoma we have legal shooting hours. I can get a hog bayed and shot without going on these 3 & 4 mile runs 1 or 2 dogs don't put as much pressure on a hog as a whole pack of bay dogs. I can kill as many hogs with 1 dog as I can with a pack of dogs Hogs will bay up because I don't think hogs don't see 1 dog as a real threat. A smaller bay dog, 25-40 pounder can be more effective than a 70-80 larger dog. (quicker, faster and more bottom) Last point, and this MY OPINION for what it's worth. I think that if you are a breeder or one who raises pups that will tolerate being shot over, the demand for your dogs will be great in the future!!!! European hog hunters shoot hogs with 1 or 2 bay dogs or use 1 or 2 rcd's with great success. (Bay dogs live longer than rcd's) Today's hogs are not baying up with the dogs like they use too. They are just flat out running when they feel pressure. Many hunters are already figuring out that they need to do something different to get a hog in the deep freezer. I think as time passes, many more hunter will either become baying shooters or will hunt with rcd's. As much as I hate to admit this, the Europeans are setting the trend in hog hunting tactics and equipment. Think about it. Title: Re: shooting over dogs Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on March 09, 2011, 03:10:33 pm We use .357 mag's and solid lead slugs only My buddy and i are allowed to carry guns though. It has worked well for us. It could be risky if you lost your head and just blasted away, my dogs don't bay right up in a hogs face either though.
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