EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

If you 've got a female (BAY DOG) your want to use for breeding, she come's from proven parent's and blood line's.. What does it take for her to be worthy of breeding to a proven male in your pack?    Having the WANT TO ??  Show range?  Strike her own hog?  HOW far past started does she have to be for you to consider her breeding stock?   

It's all up to you... for me, if the dog is showing stand out qualities at an early age, i.e. producing good hogs for you, then I'll go ahead and get a litter out of the dog before really "pressing the gas peddle" if you know what I mean...

I'm all for finishing out a dog before breeding, but when you see a stand-out specimen... you sure don't want to screw around and lose those genetics for a couple more hog pics...

But a dog has to REALLY show me something to breed them early...

My deuce gyp did not get bred until she was 4 years old even though the parents and grandparents all were consistant dogs, she had to prove that she was a consistant producing hogs in any situation, then I made dern sure I was ready to take on raising and working another pup for myself and I had enough other hunters to put the rest of the litter in their hands before I bred her. With out a combination of all of that, then I could easily pick up a well bred, sure good pup from someone else if I only wanted one ot two pups.
Being able to see and keep track of all my pups is just as important to see results/mistakes made in the breeding, so in a few more years when its that time ahain I iwll know if I am on theright track or I need to make adjustments, or that I need to quit the line all together.
I know of Ten or more dogs that I would love to own pups out of, that would not be as at risk of having a cull or mediocre dog I could get pups from, so I make dern sure I believe its gonna be right before I make he breeding, not just a good possibility. Thats just how I look at it.

When I turned my gyp out by herself. She went out and all the pigs came running by. The first was a large hog about 350lb the next was a large sow about 150lb and then a group of 30-50lb pigs. As they ran by me my gyp was bring up the rear and I was ready to go grab a 30-50lb pig and be happy. When she started baying I went in and found her with the 350lb boar. She had passed up all the other pigs to get the biggest one. She had stopped it within a few hundred yards. She had that hog contained all by herself. I was in total shock and amazement at my one year old gyp. At that point she made it to possible breading. Until she does it every time for a couple years she ain't breading. I do not want any puppy from a dog that is not a proven hunter.

Great advice from the guys above! They have to be as good or better than the dog I want to breed them to unless they have a certain trait that can't be found in the norm that needs to be implemented into your stock. Just be careful if you decide to breed the gyp on her first heat. They usually have alot more problems with pups that ranging from immaturaty and taking care of the litter to health and birthing problems. But on the other hand genetics are a funny thing. Although it does improve the chances of the pups to carry on the traits of the parents I have witnessed two of the best dogs crossed and if the genetics didn't match for some reason the whole litter come out duds. In other words don't get frusterated try and try again and have one hell of a rigid cull system. You will get what you want in the end. Just advice that has worked for me hope it helps bro. Happy hunting

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Not all do'ers are producers and not all producers are do'ers.  Meaning a #1 crossed with a #1 doesn't necessarily always make #1's, if it did a #1 would only be worth a few $$$.   This is what I would do:  As long as the gyp doesn't have any major faults breed her to a known producer, keep all the pups you can and cull hard.  Repeat the process with a different male.  If she consistently produces above average pups than she is a keeper in the breeding program.     

Thank for all the reply's,, The reason I asked is once or if this gyp (make's the cut) I'm no longer going to hunt her. Prolly only breed her twice, it's the out cross I want, Just don't wanna make a mistake or waste time, I will be keeping all the pup's ...

an early starting dog with a ton of potential excites me and I will breed it on the first heat... especially if it comes from a long line of early starting dogs.

 For me breeding has to be done between 2 proven woods dogs and not just an average finished woods dogs either, they have to be something special. I understand that some do'er wont be producers but I like to start with the odd's in my favor and not go with a gut feeling. If a dog is not a finished, get it done by themselves, Dont need any help frrom another bay dog. It should not be bred.

I need to explain myself a little better. I woudn't breed on the first heat but would not hesitate to do so if I needed pups...