EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Looking to get a pup out of good bloodline...any advice?

Get with your local full time Hog Hunters and ask this question. They will be able to guide you to what your are lookin for possibly in your area. Or take out a loan and try one of the advertised lines. Plenty of good Yellers out there but most good lines are not for sale. Also get with the full time cowmen and take a look at their stock of yellers. They usually have older proven bloodlines that have been kept strait. Happy Hunting. Glad to see your lookin at Yellers.   

I would look at the Ladner bred dogs. If they trail and kill a coon they will make good hog dogs and these are bred to hunt so this line is a proven hunting line. Just make sure you let them know you are wanting a hog dog pup so that they can try to match you with a good prospect.

Me and one other guy are the only hog hunters around here...I like to run BMC, he is pretty much straight mtn. Cur...I have couple good 2yr old male right now and a 4 month old pup that was out a real good line of cowdogs who has really impressed me on hogs...the only female I have right now has got a a little cat in her..just looking to get me a female out of a proven bloodline! Have heard a lot of good things about the ladner line!

Go hunting with the parrents, there are a lot of small dedicated breeders on this board, search them out and stay away from the cow dog puppy millers, good luck, i would look in east texas and la ark for a true strain not some crossed up because i too lazy to keep the strain bred correctly jker.

I like the right mtn cur too. The right ones can find hogs if there is one to be found and can hunt with the best of the hog dogs.

Ladners are prob the best out there for coons and hogs, i bought 9 from LH way back and dumped them right out of truck after 1000 mile ride, nothing wrong with them, LH has really brought the standard up for the breed with his strain, good to hear his son is carrying on the family tradition.  ONe of he best dogs i ever owned was a Ladner almost solid white dog that would hunt out a 1000 acre pasture in 45 minutes, you better be ready to ride when you turned him out, seemed like he would hunt lmost like a good foxhound, always on the run, winding and just rolling out looking or winding for sign, he loved to make a round in a 10,000 acre pasture off the hood too and check out all of the 25 windmills with small tanks that hogs would lay up in during the summer hot months.  He was stolen by a neighbor at a hog bay and hauled off to another state i found out years later, small world for sure.

Now that was a discription of what I call a good mtn cur or a good hog dog... ;)

what area you from?

Albany, tx bout 30 min from abilene

Sorry bro but don't have any Yeller contacts that far north Texas. Some boys cross the border in Okie has a good strain but don't know if they will sell. PM if interested

I have ranch in Aspermont Texas, NE of Albany, lots of hogs out that way,and alot of trappers in my area,have seen a few guys with hog dogs passing thru when im out there. Not too far from you. Good luck on your search.

Weller44, I don't know how far you are willing to travel to get a puppy. I have a friend at Sherman who hog hunts and raises a couple of good lines of blackmouth curs. That's 200 miles from you. If that's not too far, send me a PM and I will give you his number.

I was on the same thinkin as rueben about the ladners and was about to go get a few, but talked to some guys that had been to his yard before L.H. died and said he had about 200 head on his yard. Thats a big turn around and go the other way for me, but I also have heard good things about the line.  So I dont know. 

I would like to have a few that i knew were bred right tho.

It just seems to me that if the only good yeller dogs are so well guarded, and such a big secret, that it would be useless to even try, unless you live in tx that is, which i dont.  so maybe ill just spend the next ten years weeding thru catahoulas. ;D

dont jump the gun tom , i beleive i,m gettin closer lol

I done got'er loaded john,  LOL!!   got two cats and dang if i dont think one of them is bred, and the other is in heat.   

But I will keep my options open tho. :laugh:

TNHillbilly,

I think Bennet said he hunts ladner bred bmc... I would try to get one from him if I were looking for a hog dog. Ifladner had 200 dogs in his yard and if he were picking his dogs right then I just don't see a problem with that... ??? :)

How could you possibly hunt that many dogs, to know which ones to pick from?  is what im getting at. 

How far from Memphis are you

bout 8 hrs,  but my buddy john lives in paris which i might visit in the near future. ;D

Good point, I wasn't thinking in my right mind last night. ;D

I have heard some good things and some bad things about ladner bred curs.

He might of had a good system as far as picking good dogs for breeding but I just can't see it. For one thing how do you socialize 2 hundred dogs?

I spoke with Curtis Ladner a few weeks ago by email. He gets round 300 per pup and you have to be on a waiting list to get pup. I have no idea if he carries that many dogs on his yard or not. I have also heard very good things about his line. Only thing that bothered me about those dogs was the color issue. I saw red's and yeller's and even some with some white on their face. It doesn't change the price of tea in china for anything except I like to see good even color on family breeding. The same way with some of the other registered lines. I personally don't like bobtails in a yeller dog. But again this is my own personal preference on Yeller dogs. Either its Yeller or it aint. LOL But again I have heard very good things about both of these lines.   

L.H. must have been doin somethin right, to have such a good reputation for raising and breeding good dogs. 

Another reason i had wanted one was, that from most of the pics i had seen they were an even colored dog, yellow black masks. But guess, they are not now.

I agree with you on the color and tails 100%, but like you said that dont mean much, just personal preference, and I think we just plumb highjacked this thread. 

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I think any one would be wise to find the line of dogs that suite your style of hunting, then make sure you are getting some tight bred pups b/c that obviously increases the % of reproduceability in their off spring. Unless you can raise the whole pack and cull, the tighter the breeding the better your odds are of reproduceability. Secondly my preference is to go back to a bigger cur for rank cattle or hogs, the ladners for example are originally bred as tree dogs and it shows alot of the time. Not saying I havent seen a good one just playing the odds...

You either have to pay the price on the advertised lines or you have to get in with someone that raises a good tight line. I hold firm the best lines are the ones getting hunted daily and have been passed on thru family members for generations whether they are cow or hog dog strains (And they usually aint for sale). You have to put your time into these men to prove you are not just a passer thru or looking to spur out and breed your own line off theirs for profit. I have been in this position multiple times in the past and have been burned. Hence I will not sell a line bred dog to strangers ever again. If they aint getting used or goin to a close friend, they get culled. I have sold a few dogs lately but have all been trial dogs from other lines that just don't fit my tastes. It makes alot of people mad that line breeders won't sell but you have to be on the other side of the coin to see their point. It just plain ol aint worth it to sell off your stock lines anymore.         

I guess I will find out how the ladner line fits with and my pack...I have been on the phone with curt a few times the last couple weeks and will have a female pup on the way in about 5 weeks... I am excited to see how she works out

I have owned almost every line of  bm cur out their have been to LH place and id say 95 percent of dogs were brood dogs that havent been hunted.ID ask about how a certain dog hunts and all id get is a  dogs pedagree .dogs should be proven before breeding.I have owned 5 different ladners some were culls some were pretty good but all were very close hunting but it totally depends on the blood.and cross .My advice on blood is their is alot out their that wouldnt suit me cause ive owned really good dogs,most people that hog hunt think their dogs are good but...

That is why I don't hunt them. I am sure there are good ones out there but don't like the odds.