EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Been a long time since I have seen a hog run like the one we was on today in the heat.  Drop dogs out at 7 am not 200 yards down the road my Horn dog struck and it was none stop till almost noon time .  This hog must have run 7-8 miles criss crossing the property.  Somehow he shook my Horn dog and Whitey and they finally came  back But Ole blue was gone we tracked and tracked and finally heard her in the worst part of the place in a 40 foot gully.  So thick you could not hardly get threw it got there within 20 yards by this time my Horn dog Whitey joined back in with Smokey to help old blue well turn the catch dogs loose to stop the running but soon as the snap was undone he broke , they stopped  him again about 200 yards but we just could not get to them he had two bad ass bulldogs on him my Ole blue bitch my Horn dog, Smokey and Whitey.  We were trying to get out to the wheelers Tom was calling saying there was a hell of a fight going on not 100 yards from him threw the thick stuff and Tom just cant go no more like he use to so waited on us we get there i listen hear one bark and it goes silent .  Am thinking O number 2 !Well not five mins goes by i pull out the tracking system it shows he has done cross back over the fence line ,  I could not believe it, this hog was a race horse to say the least and one fighting mean SOB!  So we take off again tracking He now has Ole Blue , Horn, Smokey and Whitey on him  dont know were the bulldogs are  , we track and track till we get to the end of a 4000 acre place and there is a gully there that has to be 75 feet straight down the tracker says they are on the other side , cant hear them and we cannot cross the gully , private land on the other side so we wait and all the time am tracking them they go to their furtherest point and must have set up bay stayed there for about 25 mins then the tracker says they are on the move again  this time coming back to wards us but off to the east some so we head to the cemetery  me and kyle walking Tom riding four wheeler  mine done ran out over a half a tank gone this morning.  We get over there and i track it now says they have done come back past us and are headed back to wards were old blue had him bayed and am not believing all of this . so we are waking walking and no Tom finally I hear a four wheeler but it stops and Tom is hollering for us to get there .  The bad boar has done ripped Ole  Blue 7 inches right up the tit line to her back end .  so I get there take a look and me and Tom have to leave to get her tended to .  She had a small rip in the body wall inside but no guts cut sew it up then washed and cleaned everything and stapled her up.  We done this at Toms house leaving Cory and Kyle to look for the rest of the dogs finally find them.  Both bulldogs came back my old gyps vest was ripped up with Two holes going all the way threw and my Smokey dog cannot walk right now took a bad blunt blow to the shoulders but no cuts don't think it broke anything but it ain't good.

I got to say this is one of the baddest hogs I have been on in a long long while but he done pissed me off now and I can make him this promise your day ain't long off old buddy we will be back sharpen up them cutters you gonna need them !

Never seen the hog but I can tell ya he is plenty bad !
What a day man !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are the type of hogs that keep this sport interesting and worth doing. Hope all dogs get well soon and you get him quick.

Them are the hogs that show you what kinda dogs your feeding and will make them priceless in your eyes

Yes sir I could not agree more.   He is a Nasty, Sporty, Bad Bad dude have no ideal what he weighs never laid eyes on him today.  I know it takes a pretty polished boar hog to do what he done to my cur dogs today not to mention shake two well well experienced bulldogs that both weight over 75 lbs and total athlete's tore one of thems vest all to hell  !  Am sure this is going to get real ruff and real interesting before it is said and done .

I wish you all the luck, them hogs are rough a pack of dogs

IMPRESSIVE!  Also could have been a pair of boars working as a team.  Starting to see more of that these days ---- 2,3,4 even 5 hogs running like deer and working the dogs over and never baying in one place more than 5 minutes at a time....  You will catch him or them having a bad day and get em sooner or later.

How long were your bulldogs loose/lost?

This place is notorious for these types of hogs over the last 30 years it seems to always carry some bad bad hogs.   There has been many a great hog dog seen his last day in those woods I've lost two in those woods in the last five years not to mention how many Tom and his RIP brother Roland lost in all the years they have hunted that place since kids.  I have also had to retire more than a few dogs hunting in those woods  .  It usually take a while to get a real dog killer like that in those woods but we most the time get them in the end and all of us Tom , Roland myself have paid some very high prices to do it in dog terms .  But to me and them thats the sport and thats what makes great dogs it will sure nuff separate and weed out the weak.  You are definitely right it is hard on pack of dogs.  It seems those kinda hogs pop up about once every two years are so in those woods kinda funny ain't it how that goes.

Underdog , we lost them for a pretty good while it must have been atleast a hour and a half maybe a little more but we were so worried about stopping that bad boar we just kinda left the bulldogs behind going to the cur dogs to try and get that bad boy.  When this kinda thing happens most the time those bulldogs will eventually go back to were we let them off the wheelers and wait for us to pick them up if they can't hear the dogs anymore and really that is what they did today atleast Axle did Big Momma finally came up were we parked the dog trailer .

Thems my favorite  ;D

Wew! Nothing like those extra mean scalded apes!!! ;D

I hope your dogs heal up soon and looking forward to hear about how you put an end to that one!

da-n the back luck Jimmy  you get him next time ..hope your dogs heal soon

All I now is that that hog was a bad hog. I am ready to back out there and get that hog. It was fun havin to run all over that place.

Texashogdogs,

Thanks for the story...I am sure you will get him. We have quite a few around here like that. If you don't get there quick they will whip the dogs and break and run before the catch dogs get there. It is hard to catch them because they look for the thickest briars in the woods. The hogs can move in this brush but the dogs can't.

I think some of these hogs know exactly how to handle a dog pack.

It sounds to me that you have a great pack of dogs with no quit. :)

Reuben I think a hog like this does know how to handle a pack of dogs. The nice thing about most of them are that they will repeat what has worked for them in the past. That's when a hunter can usually take advantage of them.  >:D

10-4, I love it when a plan comes together... >:D :)

BoarNinja ,  you are right on .  Most of the time when we run into these type boars out there you are correct they will take you on nearly the same trip over and over and we have use that to our advantage.

Another thing if a man will take just a couple of dogs are even one really good dog this sucker will stand there and fight and bay but the trick is getting to him with out him winding you the human.  These suckers like him get any kind of a drift of a human are hear you popiing stickings coming toward him he will run like a Scalded Ape  ahahahahahah your terms ahahahahahh.  

Yes sir! I have a couple of them on my list. Scratched a few off that list also ;)

I'm not a trophy hunter but I love to put an end to hogs like this. I have a close relationship with one in particular. He will go on my wall if I get on him again. The last time I got on him I had a 5 and a half hour race. I could have shot him at the end but didn't. Maybe I should have but this is a sporting property that the hogs are managed on. Then again, if he would have wrecked my dogs like yours, I would have caught him with my .44.

Ain't no more catch dogs going in on him .  Just a find dog and one mojo grabber. 

and a 20 in. 12 ga. with 1 oz slugs!

When I get a dog killer, a serial dog killer messing me up, I pass shoot it ahead of our plott hounds.  I DONT want them to bay it up!  We had one kill 9 good dogs, 7 good catahoulas, one of the best yellow curs (call him a BMC if you have too) and a jagdterrier.  Last one was my dog.  He also cut my old cur in the guts and one of my son's plott gyps same way.  All the dogs killed were either gut hooked at the navel or right behind the last rib into gut.  A trademark of sort.  We tried stalking him in the moon light from down wind with a "hog pipe" full of diesel corn, but he was too smart.  He or they were both blasted after running ahead of our plotts for three hours, as it turned out to be a pair of cloned boars around 250 pounds. I felt they were litter mates as they looked identical in everyway, except one had a big bottom tooth broke off.   No dogs been killed there to this day and its been 3 years.  You in Louisiana would know the location as Cotton Road in Patterson to the Calumet Cut Levee.  No "russian" blood to them, just hard gristly feral boars.

THD  you are right, I believe one good bay dog and a gun or a pair of hard experienced quick catch dogs is the ticket.  If the second dog barks and does not catch, they break and run.  That is how we caught near pure European wild boar in Big Sur, California.  Once they broke the first bay there, they never stopped running.  A pack of bay dogs might get him, but it might cost someone some dogs. 

Damn man that is a lot of dogs lost wooo wee damn!  That is were he hit my dog right behind the last rib on the tit line and ripped all the way to the stifle.  Had a tear in the body wall that hold the guts in but as far as I could see didnt touch the intestines thank God.  I think my other dog may have some messed up bones in his front end.

That hog is one you have to put one dog are maybe two loose baying and ball snatchers if he runs, he will stand his ground with them and give you a chance to shoot if you can sneak in .  I will take bulldogs also but he will have to be in a good area to my advantage for me to turn them loose again on him.  I kinda doubt that will happen cause we are playin on his feild his terms but if it is in a good area I will turn them loose on him somewere they are not going to get hung up are pinned down.  

Buddy I have not ran into the team of boars yet not that I know of anyway.  We do have bad boars that will run you threw sows and pigs to kick the dogs off of themselves had that happen a bunch but have not had to deal with a double team of bad boars yet I don't think.

I used to never carry a gun but these type of hogs changed my mind. If the dogs get beat down the hog is still going down if the oppurtunity is there.

I have heard a few bad stories of boars working together like this. One was a boar and barr team. Bad deals all the way around.

I do believe that you've got he right idea seems to me hogdogs. Obviously this hog is wise and has little fear of a pack of dogs. I don't use a bulldog, just didn't start that way and doubt that I ever will, but, I do understand you guys that do. Let me suggest a plan that you might consider: Go without the bulldogs, and take plenty of bay dog help. If you can get on this old boy, let part of your dogs on him at first, if he's like the ones we have here, he has, as you stated, a route that he will run and a plan to lose the dogs. We have run several that when jumped fight for a bit then take a tour of the territory, may be a big tour too, but when they don't shake the dogs, they return to almost the spot where you got the race started and make their stand. Sounds like this hog did something like that,.... this you can use, if you can get close or in front of him on this big race, put more fresh dogs on him and pick up any that have dropped out of the race. When he does make his stand......slip in....but ONLY from downwind and shoot him the first chance you have....we have done that several times and it works more often that not. Just somethting more for you to consider if you want.....good luck on him and send us some pics when you put a bullet in his head.

You know I been thinking ever since this happened and one thing is bothering me big time and it is this.

When we got in there on him within 20 yards I never smelled the boar hog most the time the smell will knock you out am wondering if it was not a big bad barr hog.

We do not see many barr hogs around here I have killed one in ten years and I dont remember him having any smell 267 lbs three inch tusk so I got a question for you guys that have a lot of experince with barr hogs do they smell as bad a big bad boar hog does ??????????????

Firemedic
Am a gun hunter myself I would rather shoot than catch I know a lot dont like to do that but I do .  I just been running bulldogs here latly to slow down all the running ahahhaahahahah but that didnt seem to help this time.  I had thought the same thing as you have a fresh set of dogs in the waiting cause he shook my Horn, Whitey and Smokey dog which Smokey was hurt pretty bad the other two I giess he just lost them Cory and Kyle had to find them and pick them up I had to leave to tend to ole Blue  .  

Also you are right he was making circles and when it all ended he was on his way back to were it all started when I picked ole Blu up .

A Barr has no more smell to it than a sow  from what I can tell.

Thats what I thought.  Well then this must have been a big ole pissed off Barr!

I dont know if that is good are not ahahahahahhahahah. I just cant believe he ran like that damn man unreal .

We have alot of barrs around where I live. Some of them have no run or fight in them, some of them have alot of fight and very lil run, and some of them have both. I think most of them that run and fight have been caught with dogs before and Remember what happened the first time they were caught with dogs. It just depends on the hog. I bayed a Barr last year that would not  run at all. He was standing in the middle of a road and the dogs were in the thicket. Every time a dog would come out he'd just run over them. He broke every rib in my old gyp and killed her. And bars don't have boar hog smell they smell like sows.

Golly! i love gettin on here to hear stories bout this, thats a helluva hog!

your gonna need a riddick dog if your not careful  O0

ahahahahahahah I wonder if I could call'em up and get some help maybe we could catch this one on film with out the cut out of anything ahahhaahahahah!  I promise you one thing Reddick could not have gotten in that thickett he was in if he did his big ass would have been in the worst bind he has ever been in and momma would have been cryin on natl TV.  ahahahah Good one man ahahahahahahah

Some of those big boars are incredible smart.  We had one that wiped out a professional hunter's pack that the National Park Service shipped over from Hawaii to California.  The boar would get a big pack of bay dogs all baying him and back up into a downed tree, dirt bank, tree trunk, and then act all settled down to get the dogs over confident and then the dogs would close in the bay right off his nose.  He would then jump clean over the bunch and land 10 feet out running.  The next part was his deadly trick.  He would only go 100 feet, turn and go for the first soft belly of a dog that came his way. 

My nephew watched him do this from the top of a canyon, too far for his handgun to shoot.  We eventually got him in a steep sided creek bottom where he had no room to manuever like he was used to.  He had his ears chewed off years ago down to the skull, tail long gone and scar tissue all over his back end and neck, most likely done when he was younger.  He was near 300 without a scale, maybe 350, with 3" cutters.  The crazy thing was he was pure white, but time and dirt made him look yellow.

Buddy,

Years ago there used to be baying contest in Lane City, Texas and they kept a big white boar for baying competition. This hog would stand still and act uninterested and then when the dog lowered his gaurd he would make his move and get the dog in a main artery and he killed several dogs and disabled many. It got to the point that everyone who drew this hog would pass on him or would scratch the dog.

It is my opinion that big boars know instinctively where to cut and slash to do the most damage.

I came acrossone big boar that cut my whole pack down in 15 minutes and crippled one dog. This hog had killed other hunters dog previously.

I saw 3 piney woods rooters kill a cur and retire another.  Not one hog was over 150 lbs, and no teeth were visible.  Both dogs caught one hog and the other 2 hogs cut their bellies out.