EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Why do people care if a dog runs open AFTER a hog breaks?

I see all the time where people are selling dogs because they bark or yip at a hog after it breaks.

My opinion... who cares. ;D They race is on and the hog knows the dogs are on it's a$$. I don't care if they're silent, wide open or singing it a tune... what are yall's thoughts?

Yes agreed

I prefer my dogs to open once they have the game in thier sights, not just smelling them. Then I know its ON!

Only if a dog is fast would it be acceptable to me. No sense in barking if the dog is several hundred yards behind.

Well to answer your question Mike, 90% of them dogs are for sale because they are culls, and the open part is just a sales pitch to make the ad believable.  Just what I think.

I like my dogs silent til bayed simply because when the bark I wanna know there bayed up or have the hog stopped.  Now most dogs will eventually grow out of it with time, and my 18 month old cur does this crap, but I live with it since I like him.  

Mike, for me its personal preference. When I hear a dog bark I want it face to face with the hog, not barking behind it..........I don't like an open dog, even though I have owned and hunted both hounds and open curs I just prefer a silent dog. When I hear a dog bark, I want to hear "I have him stopped, come get him"..... ;D

But again, its more of a personal thing. I have seen dogs open behind a hog that breaks and seen them stop the hog. Just not what I personally like.......but I am just old and grumpy and set in my ways..........LOL

I dont care as long as the dog finds pigs and produces results

 Personally I think they are selling the dog/dogs for other reasons besides opening after the hog breaks and they dont want to tell the truth of why they are really selling the dog.  The #1 thing I have learned here is that good/Great dogs are not for sale, if they are for sale something is wrong with them. JMO

I have to agree with this a 100%.  I also don't think many dogs with a good desire to catch game can hardly resist making some noise when a bayed hog breaks,just too much excitement to resist.

x2...I don't mind if the dog is semi silent or opens once the hog is jumped.
If the dogs are fast it is ok with me... I do not like a cold nosed slow hound that barks on track for 4 hours before the track warms up.

I personally dont mind at all if they yip a little while chasing. With my mutts it only happens in high gear and it lets me know that a chase is on and hopefully a bay is next. I think it is determination. I call a open dog one that runs around barking while trailing or looking. 

Im am with ETHhunters on this one.  I recently posted a dog for sale that does this.  He locates a track he has found.  Once the race is on he will open a lil more regularly for a lil while.  Giving mouth does not bother me.. The problem is that my BMC who will give some mouth also will be AT LEAST 75-100 yards ahead of my other dog.  This does not mean the dog for sale is a bad dog, he is just not as fast  as my other one.  I want a dog that is gonna burn a hogs ass up whether its barking or not barking behind the hog....Also I am not selling the dog because he barks on track.  I am selling him because of the lack of god given speed that he does not possess. FYI

X2....Thats what we call a BABBLING IDIOT

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  Believe your asking for opinions? I look at it as a waste of effort. In a race to shut one down they need to use all the oxygen they can get to fuel their legs not their mouth. JMO

Yep... just something to talk about.

I've seen it mentioned so many times over the years, just curious as to what everyone thought about it.

Most all of my dogs will be wide open if the hogs breaks and they're right on it... but, they'll shut up if it pulls ahead.

I am with you on this one mike you know what i run and he has found hundreds of pigs for me!!!!! ;D

id rather have a dog thats fast and open then silent and slow, lets me know where the dog is instead of "head down on GPS"

im tired of runnin into trees and stuff

Well the hypothosis is that the dogs are yippin and barking because they are excited and full of adrenaline. Well I catch myself running around yippin and barking on a saturday night when the old lady says she feeling frisky and I am tryin to bay her up......SO HOW CAN I BLAME THE DOG?


I think my ole lady must have alot of russian in her cause she is bad about breakin on bays!! :-*

damn myles i just spit dr pepper all over my computer screen. :'(

took me a second.... maybe you need riddick to catch her just keep the sucker outta the bathtub

That's cause in that situation you gotta be a CATCH DAWG  ;)

Loose bayin just wont work.....ha ha

Yep I agree...But ever time I bite her on the ear she quarantines me for a month and won't let me talk to my kids.

Dunno can't figure it out..Anyway back to the subject...I hate full mouth on track but can live with some yippin.

around here im still tracken and bawlen on a hot track and the old lady done got it done :-* :'( :'( :o :P :P

hope it was with you :o ;D

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You can't catch hogs with open mouthed dogs.   ;)

I agree with someone above who mentioned most of the time it's probably just an excuse to move a dog thats not making the grade.  Kind of the same way I feel when people sometimes post dogs for sale because they're going to all males or females...or going to "start running" Catahoulas, etc.  Some might disagree, or even get their feelings hurt, but superstar dogs just don't sell for reasons like that.

As far as one that opens up behind a broken bay...doesn't bother me.  I'm pretty sure by that point a hog knows he's in trouble.  I don't think hogs run blindly.  They have a targeted destination..sometimes near, sometimes far.  Where the dog bays, is where the hog decides to stop.  Jump a hog inside a high fence and have someone waiting by that hole you know they come in and out of and see where that hog goes.

I dont like a dog that trail barks but i dont mind a dog that yips a little when a bay breaks.  I used to not be able to stand a dog that barked at all unless it was face to face, but since i lost my Garmin i dont mind the yipping on a race,  Helps me know which way to keep heading.. And since i hunt afoot most times my fat rear end needs all the help it can get..lol  But when i get my replacement garmin im sure my opinion will change.. ;)

I think your biggest advantage with a silent dog is when you first turn out and they first find the hog. The hog doesn't know they are coming and all of a sudden there is a dog in their face. I believe some hogs that would have run if they heard a dog barking will stand there and fight at least for a few minutes if a dog surprises them.. After that if the hog breaks then yeah he knows something is after him and your odds do go down a little.
I agree that a lot of silent dogs will yip a little out of excitement right behind a hog after it breaks and then shut back up. Or mine do...

I look at it like this. If your a crook and just stole something and you hear sirens what are you going to do?  Run and do everything possible to avoid capture now if you steal something and swat breaks down your door or surprises you your caught.  I look at hogs and dogs the same way.  I have one that yips behind a hog and I hate him for it but like the dog so......  Yes once bay breaks I want the dog putting everything possable into re baying that hog not babbling like a 1 year old lol and if the hog does not hear the dogs babbling it is my thoughts he does not run as fast, hard or long and the dogs will surprise him again.  Again this is just my thoughts and observations also I don't think every hog is the same some do things others won't.

We've caught plenty of decent size hogs 100 yards or so away from another bay. A solid bay with hogs squealing and dogs barking and they stayed put.  I figure if a hog wants to run its gonna run regardless.  A silent dog might get closer to it before it does but my opinion is its gonna run if it wants to either way.

lots of hogs lay low when one breaks and runs and the dogs go after it and catches it.  you can come backand strike catch again from the ones that thought they were hid. I have seen this with open dogs.

The dogs can be silent and the hogs know you are coming with the dogs because they hear the rattling of the gate and the four wheelers firing up...they know the routine.

I like to know when my mutts open up they r face to face with one and its not moving. I do t like open but I have one that is. And I hint him. But overall I prefer the hog to not be running when they r barking. Jmo

 I'm to poor for a GPS so when I took my hounds out I would love to hear them open up on a hot track and then bawl when bayed. I just love the sound of a hound and the nose. We have caught lots of hogs with wide open cold nosed hounds big ones at that. Hell found more hogs with the hounds opening up than we have with silent dogs. I love it

lots of hogs lay low when one breaks and runs and the dogs go after it and catches it.  you can come backand strike catch again from the ones that thought they were hid. I have seen this with open dogs.

The dogs can be silent and the hogs know you are coming with the dogs because they hear the rattling of the gate and the four wheelers firing up...they know the routine.
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Agree with ya Rueben bout comin back and catching squatted hogs we have had good luck with doin that.

As for the hogs running when they hear the gate and fourwheeler's have you been hunting our spots latley..LOL  Sounds just like em.

I have a few Yellers that are more open than I like. When I used to fur hunt I used a silent cur dog to run em coons immediatly up a tree vs puttin my walker's on him and havin a three hour race for one coon. I look at the hog dog situation about the same. Silent is Deadly for any critter!!

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if a dog is a good hog dog it doesn't matter if it is open or not...

Y'all don't start going off track... I'm not talking about open or silent dogs on track.

This post is about those dogs who bark or yip ONLY when the bay breaks and the race is on.

Sorry mike just reread my post and didn't mean for it to turn toward that.

After the race is goin I don't think it matters as much but I think you still have better percentages of caught hogs if the dog is silent. BUT nothing works every time...

I thank the only time it may really matter is if there where more than one hog in the first bay. If there is only one hog I dont see were it would hurt anything if a dog opens, because I know there is alot of dog that yip on track after the bay breaks it is because there excited and want to catch the pig.

Sorry Mike. It don't bother me at all atleast when they do I know they ain't quiting on a runner. Like I said I'm to poor for a gps

I completely agree

   i agree with chain on this a hundred percent

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We agree mike! All ours are open after the hog leaves out, sounds like a dang pack of birds once it breaks! It still produces hogs for us :)

 I've argued this so many times with people about a dog giving mouth after a hog breaks because they claim it will push the hog(s) farther out.  So when you hunt the dogs that "roll out" and catch hog after hog after hog,  how is this situation any different?  You still have the sounds, sights and smells of a bay/catch and they're rolling out onto another hog.  So what are a few yips gonna do when one breaks?  

Imo jdt it let's the hog know they are right on his tail and not 500 yards back.  It may not make a difference but if you don't have dogs that will role 3 miles on a hog maybe a mile you need every advantage you can get.  This is me and how my dogs work so I want total silence till face to face but again this is jmo so please don't take it the wrong way

My hunting partner and I have 11 dogs between us right now. Some are totally silent and some will open after they jump a hog or if a hog breaks. I can honestly say that I can't see a major difference in the the percentage of hogs caught between these 2 different type dogs.

Sometimes the ones that yip on track irritate me and I think I wish they'd shut the hell up because they're just pushing the hog harder. Sometimes I wish the silent ones would yip a little so I'd know if they were still on a hot track or if they'd fallen out of a race.

In the end, they both find, stop, bay, and produce hogs. I don't really think the opening or yipping on track pushes a hog any harder than a silent fast dog that a hog knows is right behind him.

To each his own in my book.

uuuhhh   purebreed , don't you mean jsh ?