EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Just wondering if many folks are using Walker hounds on hogs, if so lets see some. I always liked a good walker hound and figured they would make good hog dogs. If it's a wore out topic I'm sorry didn't see any thing before about just walkers

I might actually throw up.   :P

I did......i got it from "ROWDY" on here awile back.......she was the best dog i ran in a long time until she started barking on track and catching a dillo every other time we went out......other then that she was a really good hog dog

jsh on here has a good one!

Now cutter, as a hound man you should be in support of this topic considering it's a 100 cur guys to every one hound guy on here. Besides we all know blue ticks come from walkers anyway

Sir, that could not be farther from the truth.  I assure you that.  Walkers are in fact the culls out of the English breedings.  Blueticks are the superstars.   ;)

Are you guys coonhunting?

Sure.  8)

I was just messing with you cutter, as far as the super stars I think the fact that them Walkers dogs dominate in every big night hunt ends that debate before it starts. but cheer up  ;D  we all like your old flop ear blue dogs. even the die hard cur guys

Well let's hunt I got a walker dog outta World Champion Buck Creek Mr. Smith that's a pretty fine hound. Any doubters are welcome to come down Walkers are great dogs for hunting coin.

Coon.    :laugh:

I've got a buddy that hunts a walker.  He is a nice hog dog.  I just can't feed one myself.  Same with a brindle dog.   ;)

Treeing walkers are potlickers, if you have never heard a good pack of RUNNING WALKERS on a fast running boar close the gap after they break his wind you have never really hog hunted, used to be called hog hunting wolf dog style down here......

knightstockterrier  I have no doubt that is true, I was trying to build a pack of July running dogs for just that reason. But I am staying with my cur dogs because I need a dog that works cattle and hogs, plus protect my place and the BMC dogs i have do all well. But I would like to have a good running dog for those hard running hogs be it running Walker or July. I am just wondering how many fellas are using treeing walker dogs for hogs, I would think they would make a hand at it is all

 


Actually any Treeing or Running fast heads up trailing walker is fine for hogs if you have the country, we used to have large packs and could run hogs for miles, bay up, go shoot the hog and load up, now everything down here is small small and deer fenced off for 200 miles south, so all the hogdog packs are hot nosed gritty types usually to keep races short.  I wish for the good old days too much sometimes, I hunted with guys with a Running Walker or July in a hog dog pack of curs or cats and it sure used to make the rest of them hump up and get with the program to try to keep up with a great running walker or July who could strike jump before they ever smelled the hog, but it hunted together ti was a hog catching machine especially during a drought and very few hogs like we used to have down here way back.  I think nowdays any dog is a hog dog due to the excess numbers of hogs everywhere nowdays.  We used to hunt for wekks with no strikes when they fist started apeRING down here, now my terriers run them off from there self feeders here at the rehab ranch i am onlol

This is a walker i ran last year, he was hog lunatic! his problem was he was just to loose bayen for me his name was hammer, sold him to young guy that was suppose to sale him back to me if he ever wanted to get rid of him. he sold him and aint seen or heard from the guy since.

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 Any doubters are welcome to come down Walkers are great dogs for hunting coin.
Ha! That was a Freudian slip! Them Walkers will find the coins,,, in yo pocket and transfer em to someone else's ! The good ones aint cheap. Got a buddy in NW Ga that sunk a ton in a couple of nice ones, but he's won his $$ back in coon trials and got a litter on the way, think they all spoke for too.

I've seen some  Lipper Bred Treein Walkers make jam up Hog dogs  ! And you cant  beat a good runnin walker  or crossed with cur  turns out nice . Been kinda lookin for a July but havn't found any  pure ones local . If you think about it walkers and julys have been bred for years for speed and endurance! I hunt BMC's with plenty of bottom but there gettin harder to come by .

 

I am just curious to what else was he hunted with???  The foxhounds we had they were broke to hogs all loose bayed as well, thats what we liked actually, we ran them with blackmouths and cathaoulas to keep them tighter bayed up, the hounds always would grab the hog after it was shot or stabed but not before, whats weird is that many of the blackmouths and cats would open like hounds when hunted together with the foxhounds we had for strike dogs.  We like them also due to when they struck and jumped you could tell where they were headed, this was back in the day with no gps or 4 wheelers, you had to hear the dog even if it meant climbing up in a tree r up a windmill to figure out where they ended up.  Nice hound sounded like to get rid of, would u take him back if yu found him again???

some of the best hog dogs I had the pleasure to hunt with had walker in them and one of the best I heard about was a full walker.

There are a lot of people here in GA that use Walkers on hogs. I know a guy whose best dog is a Walker/bird dog cross.

hunted straight cats for 7 years then started crossin on a runnin walker and just love it . lots fhese boys think an open dog scares hogs off . trouble is after they open and get to em . they aint got enough  dog to stop em . personally i aint had that problem . my dogs can catch up to em quick and they gonna stop somthin ;D

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I'm  only 24 I guess it was b4 my time what's a fruedian slip? Your

 buddy in GA what's his name I prolly know him I been Coon hunting comp since I could walk. I know coin.hunting dogs can be expensive I used to handle a dog that the man paid 20,000 for ppl are crazy.

I don't mind having an open mouth dog if he can find hogs when no other dog can, or, is fast on track and sticks no matter where the hog goes and then bays it and keeps it bayed till you get there... :)

I would use walker hounds up here if I had the country to hunt in and I wanted a dog that would not quit a hog no matter what. I do love them ol walker dogs, seen very few that wouldn't hunt some thing, hopefully none of my BMC friends see this but one of the most awesome dogs I ever saw was 1/2 Catahoula and 1/2 running walker ( I do credit the Walker blood mainly though  >:D ). My buddy russel ( BigDog on here ) has some silent mouth hounds that can get the job done on hogs or bear. He is proof that a hound can get the job done. Keep the pics coming, the walkers are a nice change of pace

NChoghunter- Nice looking dogs by the way, bet they make you proud

I got a female walker that is excellent bred and hell on a hog!

This is one of my buddies Jody, his son Tye, and their treeing walker Buford.

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These hounds belong to some great guys out in Utah. They took me for a bear hunt with hounds while I was vacationing with my family.  I am not certain if this a pure walker or an English, but it was a bear hound. That was a fact.  I'm referring to the dog that appears to be a pure walker.

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Sam - not sure if he's of the running or treeing variety, but will flat smoke a track.  His downfall is putting teeth on one to stop it, but he'll catch with the other dogs.  Came from the hill country.  Old man ran Walkers in a 2000 acre high fence.  Most fun I've ever had in my life hunting a pack of hounds on running hogs and watching them work.

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This boar was not stuck very well and got back up.  When he did I snapped a picture.
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You see the tip of his tail in front of the bulldog's face.
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JSH,

That is a treeing walker.

Cutter treeing walker or not that is a HOG DOG for sure Old Sam is one of the best I have ever hunted behind BAR NONE! By the way my Bluetick x puppies are doing awesomes thanks for your help there is not a Hot Dog safe at my house I'm up to about 100-150 yards on the drag now they have not let me down on a trail yet ;D

Just curious...how do running walkers and treeing walkers differ breedwise?

Cutter, What are the traits that would allow someone to visually tell the difference?

Bryant,

Running walkers tend to have broom tails.  They also have a coarser hair.  Their heads don't have the "blocky" look to them.  Also, although they are colored up similar, Treeing walkers tend to be more "bright" and "distinct" in their color pattern.  Running walkers often times give a dull apearance on their coat.  Typically, running walkers are all about the chase, but get bored when the game bays up.  More of them don't have the extra grit to hunt big game that likes to fight back.  Please stop right here, and notice I did not say all.  I'm sure JP has had some straight running blood that with the proper encouragement, would eat a hog up.  For the most part, treeing walkers have slick tails.  They also seem to shine if they are taken care off.  Their coats also often times are much shorter than the average running walker.  Generally, treeing walkers have more grit than running hounds.  Both typically have a chop mouth on track.  Most walker folks like the caught turkey sound steady pounding out as they are on the run.  There still are those breeders that like a big bawl though.  I have an older friend that has raised running walkers for many years.  I would say God is the only one that knows how many animals he has killed in front of his dogs throughout his life.  He hunts hard, real hard, and has for 50 plus years.  He had a running walker that he called one thing, but I called "Johnny Cash" because daddy sang bass.  He actually started calling him Johnny Cash because I kept calling him that.  Kinda funny.  The dog was like 7 yeards old.  He origianlly called him RUSTY. 

Sooner or later you'll be trading out the "T" for a "G".  HOT DOG = HOG DOG.  Keep feeding them tracks.   ;)

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i owned this treeing walker for a while she was hell on a hog but couldn't hang with my cur dogs so i gave her away last i heard she got killed but who knows

Cutter..

Thanks.  Interesting reading.  So are the Running Walkers bred the same...sort of like a different bloodline or strain.    What was the original intent of the dog?

Running walkers run heads up vs noses down treeing walkers, also Running walkers normally wont tree if the game climbs over 10 feet tall, Running Walkers have more endurance, they have been bred for long races on fox and wolves, Treeing walkers bred for coons, big difference.  Running Walkers have been bred for special sounding voices as well aka Biirdsong, sound like birds to some, some strains of Foxhounds have bell or bugle sounding voices on track as well.  Running Walkers run the scent funnel heads up after striking, treeing walkers trail heads down.  Anybody interested in rules for Running walkers ought to order the Field Trials rule box for all foxhounds, so many people dont know what a good running foxhound is susposed to do vs a treedog variety.  Foxhounds have 200 years of breeding for endurance on running game like fox and coyote.  If anybody has a fox or coyote pen next to them you ought to go to a hunt inside them and look at the dogs and hear them running and see them running on track in a 2000 acre pen full of trained foxes. pretty cool to see 200 hounds start running on Friday night and about 100 of them still running on Sunday morning, Tomas Bro Pen in Texarkanana was my favorite fox pen, coolest thing ever was when they had Birdsong meets in there listening to those voices running on track, way different than most hounds of any kind, I had Hudspeths at one time in a big wolf pack but i think thye are extinct now, they had a bell sounding voice you could pick out 4 miles away even with other packs running coyotes.  There even used to be treeing kinda strains of foxhounds if u were hunting bobcat and lion, down here lots used Julys to tree in a foxhound pack as the foxhounds dont tend to tree if the tree is very high, they want another race instead of hanging around more than 30 minutes.  In mexcio foxhounds usually would catch the bobcats on the gorund and go to another one before u could find the dead cat.

I will disagree with you on Treeing walkers running nose to ground.   ;)

knightstock, i told that boy i would buy him back! for the simple fact he was an honest to god hog finding dog. u could drop the tail gate and u was gonna be bayed quick if there was a hog with in a cpl hundred yards, if there was`nt he was a go yonder kinda dog that would put the miles on u. if a hog wanted to run he was gonna run cause hammer was`nt gonna put any mouth on one for any reason at all. thaw was the biggest reason i sold the dog to the boy, and second he was just getting started and had been burnt a cpl of times, come to find out he was just a wanna be and could`nt hack it and sold the dog for $75 bucks i sold him the dog for $150 trien to be a good guy wanting to help him out with the agreement he had to sale him back to me for the same price. so to answer your question i would buy him back in a heart beat and hang on to him!

Good Post, not much of a Houndsman, I like my curs but Good Lookin dogs  ;D Keep em coming!!!!!!

I have been running hounds a long time on mainly bobcat and the treeing walker in our area can not stay in a hard race im talking about a 2 1/2 hour knock down drag out race in the south tx brush country. If you hunt alot and have 5 to 6 hard races a week the treeing walker i have seen will break down after about 4 years of age do to them being heaveier and not as light on there feet as the running walker. I have also seen the treeing walkers take a long time recover after a hard race were the running walker are ready the next mornin. But to each his own

I think the good cur dogs already have a little hound in their DNA...

I believe the mtn cur, leopard cur, treeing curs etc. already have a little hound in them.

I would agree with that, somewhere down the line I wouldnt be surprised at all. A guy down south told me 25 to 30 years ago he started his bloodline with a working bloodhound and a game bred bulldog. Now he has well built good size medium range dogs that catch and usually hold by themselves. He carries 1 maybe 2 dogs to the woods.

I'd have to agree with Cutter on the nose on the ground trait with Treein Walkers. I have owned many Treein Walkers and all of them ran with their head in the air once it was jumped. Nose on the ground of coarse when trailing. Just sold my last one to a buddy of mine in north florida to buy myself a garmin for my cur dogs  :)  I'll try to post some pics

   

Here is how you tell the difference, when a Foxhound makes a lose on a bobcat or fox it searches around heads up for the scent funnel, when a treeing walker makes a lose it goes back to trailing nose down, this is where they usually never recover, they will lose the track right there or start backtracking on the already run track or lose enuff recovering the gap is not closed, a fox hound will cast out and pick up the track heads up, not nose down.  Most treeing walkers are not good on bobcat or fox, they trail too much before they jump, sure somebody catches 2 or 3 cats and calls themselves cat and lion hunters with treeing walkers but in the thick hot texas brush it is not happening.  Hogs put out so much scent you prob never see the difference unless u hunted both kinds of hounds on both types of game.  Too have a good pack down here where i live one had to hunt 2 or 3 times a week with 10 foxhounds to regularly catch bobcats, never seen a treeing walker bobcat pack down here i can remember, they dont have the bottom to be roaded all night and them have a 1 hour race on a bobcat in a thcik cactus patch or whitebrush thicket.  Lots have treeing walkers who catch a cat or 2, but down here there used to Runnng Walkers packs that got 200 bocats and 5 to 10 lions a year depending on rainfall. 

As Cutter described above here are a few more pics for comparison. Can see the Treeing Walkers with alot blockier head and also as desribed the running with the broom tail and typically pointier built head. Both mighty fine hounds!

Running Walker

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Treeing Walker

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while on the subject... does anyone on here know of the "CROGHAN" july or running walker wolf dogs. I read about them about ten or so years ago and would like to possibly buy a pup from this line of dogs.

I read they are of good size and are fast on track and they have a ton of gritt. They run to catch, again, if anyone know where I can find one of these are a line very similar please let me know.

i have heard of the calhoun hound there black and suppose to be able to really run we bought a pair of them before to cross over some of our running blood but they were stolen out of our pens But i have never heard of a Croghan hound

i hav also got a saluki hound thats pretty cool he can really run a hole in the wind

Crogans and most all foxhounds can be found in the hunter horn magazine, its sure small nowdays to tell the truth, too many deer fences and real estate agents buying up and splitting up big ranches for ranchettest with dog haters caused most of this.  You might just google Goodman, Birdsong, Running Walker, Hudspeth, Old Line Black and Tan Fox Hound, Crogan, Julys are in there once in a while as well, best thing is to find a coyote pen or fox pen close to you and go ask somebody who still has running foxhounds and is in the loop.  We used to have the South Texas Wolf Hunters Association 10 miles from the ranch but it is about all died out, have not been in years i thinking it is extinct alas.  Lots of Julys out in west texas and new mexico peeps tell me when i see the rare one down here and where they came from.  There is another foxhound magazine as well thats more east coast than Hunters Horn i cant remember anymore.  There is not a wolfdog pack in any surrounding county that i know of anymore down here alas, used to be sometimes 50 foxhounds from 10 packs would get in on bag yote and run em down 10 to 20 miles regularly, we used to have about 5 different places where wolf hunters would hang there coyotes so ranch and farmers could see the dead yote.  Mark Hellums has a pretty good kennel out east somewhere, they are feild trial dogs that Joe Rufus Lynee used to get every year for colder trailer foxhounds for south texas and mexico lion and bobcat hunting, gees, i still remeber hunting kit fox down beofre they became illegal, we did not have them here so the dogs were not broke off of them and they are terrible about running up and down rock river banks and going in holes to wreck dogs.  Smart lil fox for sure.  If you got the big country and tracking and shocking collars get a straight foxhound pack going and see the difference.

We have plenty of fox hunters here in the mtns, couple big fox lots. I dont think theres many that run in the open anymore. Mostly older gentlemen, gather in the lots and gather around a fire, whittle and tell lies. 
   Ive talked to one that lives just across the mtn from me, he said i could breed to his dogs any time. Ive been thinkin about it real hard.

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They are not full walker but are half walker and half Parker .
Silent on track , not real rangy, won't bark unless looking at the
hog , always wired ready to go , don't need anything but these 2 dogs
A good catch dog!

tree dogs r bred to tree and running dogs r bred to run its simple.i have saw sum crossed thst made good coon and deer dogs but ur kinda just messing up what there bred to do by crossing them.i would like to cross some running dogs with a cur,just dont have the heart to mess up that hound blood with that ole crappy cur blood,lol.i hunt some walkers on bear an hogs an they do fine,i have caught hogs n there beds,had races that didnt last 2 mins,and have ran them for miles till they bayed.but one thing i like about a hound is they dont runa hog out of sight then come back like they done something ,they might run it along ways but at least they will stick with it.its just whatever u like to hunt.i like hounds to run to catch game not just to run and thats a big difference when u look for a hound.

Hey waylon I still coon hunt now and then I have a big legged walker papered up out of finley river dogs he will bay the s'not out of a pig he has only one problem when your coon hunting if there's hogs he is gonna bay um but I don't hog hunt him I got the cur dogs for that he runs a coon and a hog the same way SILENT well almost he'll bark when he strikes and when treed. That blood line of hounds are supposed to be all around bear,coon,and hog dogs but idk.

now we found a walker tied up to a tree middle of nowhere so i took her home, she was decent at findin a coon but she barely barked so i guess thats why they got rid of her, so is she a runner or walker?

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Need more pics.  Tied to a tree, as in at night, or just tied on the side of the road during daylight hours?  ???

Really nice to see those walker dogs on here fells both kinds, SCHitemHard If you get tired of that tight mouthed gyp send her north to Oklahoma I know many fellas who are always on the look out for a silent or tight mouthed hound. Good looking dog by the way, can't tell if she is running or treeing walker but she looks good either way

that is a tree dog im pretty sure,and a nice looking dog.if n e of u guys got ne tight mouth hounds call me 9184132620 im always looking to improve my pack.

Russel I was talking about you in my above post, glad you gave your # I was gonna call you if he wanted to get rid of that gyp, I know how much of a die hard hound man you are. God Bless, Waylon

yea hadnt talked to u n a while but c ur still alive an kickin.i lost my best dog the other day.he was just 4 yrs old but got the tick diease aleakie and died with complications from it at the vets office.so im looking for a tight mouth hound.

Man Russel REALLY hate to hear that, I know that was a blow to your pack. I'm always keeping my ear to the ground for a tight mouthed or silent hound for you. I talk to Chris all the time and if any thing good comes along I'll sure get in touch with ya. Hope you find another good one soon. Your buddy in the Osage, Waylon

yea it sucks but but it happens.i was thinking about crossing a running walker bitch with a lepoard dog that i no of that is a bad sob.bet they would b stem winders.

Some fellas i know who have some real good Catahoulas in Louisiana told me when I first got smoked by a running hog that they keep 3 or 4 !/2 Running Walker 1/2 Cat's for such an ordeal and not to many hogs get away from them now. Hope you do it at least you will be 1/2 cur man then  ;)

I've had two walkers so far. One was silent and the other was open. They both would hunt hard and had lots of bottom. They never would quit. And both were gritty as any dog I've had. I'm guessin they were running walkers. They both had the pointy heads. I sold the open one (Ed). Lost Leroy to the heat. I came home from work late and he was gone. I'd love to have him back. Don't have any pic of him but got one of Ed on a big sow he found. He's on the right ear

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And my best dog now has a little walker in him. I wouldn't mind gettin another full blood or half one.

He looks like a treeing walke to me.  They are generally more gritty than the running type.  Nice pic.

Ya I'm not sure. I went to typin and forgot which one you said has the pointyier head. And thanks. That was a fun hunt

Been trying to post a pic waylon but it isn't working. Try again later.

Treeing Walker.

Long ears
Box jaw
Coon fur in teeth! :D
Good looking lil gyp.

@ cutter middle of the night the dogs were baying her and she was layin them down and this is the only full body picture i have of her

@ waylon i wish i still had her she was a good lil dog but lost her during a hunt, found her collar off the side of the road so i think someone picked her up

@ YBM she was a coon catcher never bayed but when we shot it out you bet she was first on the scene and she caught a couple before they hit the ground

sure wish i could get a couple of walkers to run up in these hills, some day soon

Owned several treein walker dogs as coon dogs, a couple running walkers as deer dogs...  Only had one as a hog dog, he was Nailor bred, he was a good hog dog, the older he got the more open he got tho so I got rid of him. I quit coon huntin and running deer years ago and don't hunt hounds anymore at all but I'm a sucker for a good walker dog I wouldn't count them out as hog dogs by no means.

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This is my walker

NONSENSE I TELL YOU, NONSENSE!