EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

 Have been reading some websites and just read where someone had a dog that can wind up to a mile. I see that as alittle far fetched. I have only been around a few rig type dogs but, come on. Is that possible in normal conditions?

That ol boar hog that dog is winding must be mighty musky to put off a smell that strong  :D

It was a single wild cow.

i rig hunt all the time and most wind dogs the hog is with in 500 yrds  from what i can tell

I think foundation yellow dogs can do it. rolleyes

Don't forget the dogos.  They are in the hound group as well.    :D

I used to have a line of dogs that could wind pretty far. I had 2 dogs that picked up their nose into the wind and we followed them thinking they were going to bay up about 1/4 mile and they kept on going. I thought maybe at the next patch of woods but they kept on and the ranch hand said from the very beginning where the hogs usually bedded up. The dogs went right where he said they should be...and it was about a mile or real close to it. The wind conditions were right and the scent was channeling thru the openings. The temp was about 55 to 60 degrees and I believe the scent was holding close to the ground due to the temp. It is my belief that proper training and helping the dogs to work a scent will enable them to figure out and straighten out a track as well as  it will in training them to solve the location of hogs when winding.

A lot of times when the dogs are winding and running the wind currents but when they keep coming back and starting over it is our job as handlers to get out there and try to figure out where the scent is coming from, or, at least we should try and figure out where the hogs are hiding and move in that direction to put the dogs where they can pick up on the scent and go.

I wrote a story for Full Cry magazine and it was titled "WINDING ABILITY" and I will look for it in my other computer and post it here.

Alot of times a dog will hunt that direction and bay most will say they winded them cows but I think they just hunted them up. Not saying they cant  pick up certain smells and keep moving  that direction but a mile not every day.

You need to get some better dogs than buddy.  Mine can wind 20 miles even when it's raining.  How else could they find every diller hole in the county?   :D

Those Foundation dogs wind dead cows a mile or more just like my nose.......  But on the other hand a square mile is only 640 acres, have had great exceptional dogs take off and wind a hog in a tank wallowed up lots of times, but hogs and cows weigh more and have more scent than coons and bocats, thats why you dont see coon dogs or cat dogs doing it.  Think about how much more scent a hog in a tank produces and a cow as well, say average hog is 250 pounds, its a boar it going to smell more, if it has wet mudd on it and nutsack full of stink grease a mile prob not a prob for a average dog.  But i think most of time when a dog hits like this sometimes its an old track and dog has learned that if it cant tell how old it it is to strike it will run it down until it can and then the guys claim my dog smelled that cow or hog a mile away when it actually it did not do anyting but hussle up a game trail until it found fresh scent or the actual cow or hog.  Cows and hogs dont stay in the same place usually.   It sure helps if it is not 130 degrees outside too, seems like night time and about a 4 to 7 mpg wind is going to help a dog find a cow or hot a mile away, in the summer sure help if its a hog laying up in a waller with basketball nut sacks that was rubbing all over mesquite trees as well before it went for a smim and mudbath.  Guees a mile winder needs some wind blowing into him, a stinky boar or bull and a waterhole for them to hang around to produce a ton more scent that might be drifting up for a dog to get a whiff to know go into the wind to where its coming from.

it CAN happen , but not real likely . a couple o years ago they had wild fires in fla. , i smelled and saw the smoke in north tn lol.

   the conditions were right  ;D

them dogs of yours to that dilla track that far and you know it. NO winding there my friend.lol

One my dogs has went a mile and opened up a few times. Garmin showed him steadily moving in the same direction.

It would have to come from someone that I knew wasnt full of number 2e.Preferably someone not trying to push a certain strain,or type of dog.But I would'nt say that a good dog cant do it.I have seen my turd herd do some stuff,I would'nt tell anybody about.Everybody knows I'm full of number 2e. ;D

http://www.wrightscurs.com/hunter.html

This is what I sent in to the Full Cry magazine several years back...
The 2 dogs that were winding into the wind were mostly mtn cur. One was 1/2 Texas Smoke bred original mtn cur and 1/2 kemmer mtn cur mostly from the old Gold Nugget line. Robert Kemmer told me it was Blondie who put the nose in to Gold Nugget who was his dam. The other dog was 1/4 BMC, 1/4 original mtn cur and 1/2 Texas Smoke mtn cur.

                                   
   Back in the mid 1960’s one of my dad’s friends caught a small wild shoat in Laredo, Texas. Paul told us that he was rooting around in a dry creek and that he went around to the high bank of the creek and jumped down on top of him. It sounded a little far fetched to me but 45 years later he tells the same story. We went over to see the small pig and he was white with black and brown spots. I had never seen a wild hog before then; they were unheard of in Edna at that time as well as the surrounding areas. He became a pet and would go in and out of Paul’s house. Once this hog got older he was kept in the pig pen because he was starting to get aggressive. When this hog weighed about 3 hundred pounds he jumped out of his pen and was circling our pig pen early one morning. It just so happened that we had a Duroc sow that was in season at the time.

 It was my routine to get out of bed early and take a look outside for any wild game wandering around too far from the rose hedges. Too far meaning that my dogs could catch the game before it could make it to the rose hedges.  If the game was to close to the hedges I wouldn’t send the dogs because once the game animal reached the hedges it was useless to try and catch it. The hedges covered several acres not to mention the fence rows. As kids, my younger brothers and I cut out tunnels and also made a club house in these hedges with our machetes.  For those of you who have never seen these hedges, the best way to describe them is that they have thorns and are evergreen. They can get thick enough so that a barb wire fence does not have to be repaired or maintained once they cover the fence. Cattle will not try to cross these hedges.

Well that morning I looked out as usual and saw this large boar hog and recognized him immediately. It was Paul’s wild boar, I called my dogs and sic’ed them on this hog. This hog looked liked he was spring loaded and he was super quick. I instinctively thought that he could hurt my dogs badly so I called them off. I used to sic my dogs on our neighbors hog that would get in our field and this hog was huge but my dogs would put a lot of heat on him to the point that I would have to call them off to keep from doing to much damage to this domestic hog. Even though the hogs were of about the same size there was no comparing them.   I told my dad about Paul’s hog was circling our pig pen. My dad went and let him in the pen and then we went to Paul’s house to let him know. We got the hog back to Paul’s house at a later date. Several months later we had ten piglets.

I knew this hog showed up at our house because our sow was in heat. For years I used to wonder and was amazed at the ability to smell/wind the distance that this hog smelled our sow. It just so happens that the lease I have now is owned by Paul in my old home town of Edna, Texas. The house he lived in back then has been bulldozed down to build a freeway. Our old house was torn down to expand the farm land but the culvert is still there as well as a few trees my dad planted.
I had to know the exact distance between these two houses or close to it so that I would know just how far this hog winded our sow. I went to the lease the other day and while there I made the time to swing by to try and determine the distance, I used my odometer from my truck to see how far it was. I got a reading of 1.9 miles. At home I put it on paper and that calculation came out to a little over two miles. This is simply amazing to me.

Back in the early 1980’s a professor from Georgia or Mississippi, I can’t remember which college, came up with a liquid formula to test the scenting ability of newborn pups. The article was in the Outdoor Life Magazine. I lost this magazine in a flood so I can not go research this. But he used about five different diluted levels of formula to test the scenting power. He said that all pups from the different breeds he tested tested about the same but that the English Pointers consistently scored the highest for scenting ability. As usual I have a few questions or concerns about this data. From past experience data collecting can be inadequate due to the data collector’s inability in looking at the big picture, or the system causes the testers to develop tunnel vision in their data collecting. The idea is a good one if done right. If the English Pointers have the best nose at this age but the Bloodhounds have a somewhat lower test score does this insinuate that the pointers have a better nose? Once these dogs are full grown the Bloodhounds are considerably larger. Do they develop a better nose at a later time because they have a larger nose and therefore more scenting receptors, or is it more area for the scenting receptors to work more efficiently? My belief is that scenting ability varies but that one big factor is that the dog breed has a lot to do with what the dog will do or is inclined to do. Just like retrievers want to retrieve and pointers want to point and bloodhounds like to trail cold tracks, different breeds will use their noses according to what they were bred to do. Sight hounds will run with the pack but primarily are looking for the game while most scent hounds are willing to trail even on a cold track. I also believe that some dogs can smell a track but will not take it because they are not inclined or motivated to take it simply because it is too old, does not excite them, and/or are not interested.

 The main reason why I like the mountain Cur breed is that they can trail an older track but most prefer a hotter track.  They also use their eyes and their noses to wind and locate the game they are hunting. They have the natural inclination to use their noses in a variety of ways. I believe that this is one reason of many, as to why they are so popular today. I will give several examples on the mountain Cur winding ability. My friend Stephen Plummer and I were hunting hogs on a big ranch that he worked on. He knew that the hogs were located away from the woods in the prairie. The prairie was brushy and as we were riding the 4 wheelers I noticed that two of the Cur dogs raised their noses to the oncoming wind and went into the brush, circled and came back out. I told Stephen to hold up because I knew the dogs were smelling hog. Stephen said he knew where the hogs were at for sure so we kept moving to the planned location. We got there and we caught several hogs. On the way back the same two dogs were winding again at the same location. I turned my wheeler in to the wind and went in through the brush. Right away I saw the problem. The wind was skimming over the brush so when the dogs went in they would lose the scent. We looked over and saw where the brush was extra thick and it looked like a good place to hold hogs. It appeared to be close to half a mile away. We started moving in that direction and once the dogs caught the scent again they were off and within a few minutes had one caught and once the big sow was secured they were off on the trail of another hog and that one was caught before it made it to the woods. The hog hunt favors the dogs in open country. Another time the dogs were winding and started moving in to the wind. I told Stephen that I thought the hogs were about a quarter of a mile away in a wooded patch. The dogs passed that section of woods and kept going. Stephen comments that the hogs usually hang out further down in the thick woods and brush. He was right, the dogs struck but did not catch any on that hunt. The dogs winded these hogs close to three quarters of a mile in distance. The wind conditions were right and these dogs had the inclination/breeding to go the distance. I’ve seen these dogs running a hog through the thick woods and brush at a fairly good pace and when the hog crossed the right of way the dogs were about fifty yards behind and about 20 yards to the downwind side. The dogs I’m talking about are mainly a cross between Texas Smoke and Kemmer blood.  I Give thanks to HB White, AC Zoeller, Alton Davison and a few others for helping me in finding these dogs. Thanks for reading.

 I don't know if they can or not but I do know that our dogs can still smell a hog after they kill a skunk and I think that is amazing!  :o

Whats the possiblity of the dog winding the hogs close but they be a mile before the dogs catch up??
Not calling you out, just using your post as an example...

The hogs could be right off the road and hear you coming, or if you have a dog bark when he winds one...
The hogs take off and be a mile before the dogs get to them... I would guess there would be a few hunters out there that would say there dogs winded that hog at a mile...  ;)

Were you hinting the Smith Ranch on 36 by Frito Lay on the Brasos?

I think it is very probable that what you are saying is possible...But most of the time one can tell if the dogs are running a track or winding a hog.

When I was raising pups I picked pups for winding and trailing by 3 or 4 months of age.

that is one of the best places I have ever hunted on. :)

Me too all hogs had white socks on all 4 feet.

How did you old farts know what they were doing before Garmins  ???  :-X  ;D  Just Kidding...

I owned a dog that would wind up to 1000 to 1200 yards watched him do it in the same place more than a few times and every time a hog on the other end .  He would wind across a 1000 yard coastal patch take off like a bottle rocket nose in the air and bay up every time two three hundred yards inside the wood line every dang time .

Trenton,

 it sure is nice telling the story on what dogs are doing what, right or wrong... :) ;D But the garmin takes the guess work out.

Reuben GREAT READING! All my dogs wind/rig if they dont I wont own them. I expect mine to wind 80% of the time and the other 20% Ill throw them on sign or down a trail. I see your point T.Wilbanks, My lead dog is 6yrs old now and I have caught hogs with him a mile from where he jumped off the truck. He is DEAD SILENT, one minute he will be on top of the box and the next he will be gone.  No whining or barking at all. Now I wonder like you said was the hog couple hundred yards off the road and started running when he heard my truck??? Was it a pack of pigs so the smell was alot stronger??? Does my dog just have that good of a nose??? IDK But I have seen and owned many dogs that would do this. The hogs at my place dont run bad either and there not pressured to bad. I live in N FL and these woods are THICK and WET, its not open at all there are a few clear cuts from old logging but not many, there are canals on either side of the road anywhere from 4ft to 6ft at times. Its not open prairie or pasture. REUBEN whats your idea on this??? I owned a BMC gyp and my current dog a Catahoula both who have winded hogs FARRRRR away from where they jumped off. I guesstimate that anything with in 500-700 yards is fair game for my dogs??? My buddy has 2 BMC (father and son) that are winding machines but there open on track so you could never guess where you think they jumped the hog at.

Matt

I know when a jip comes in season male doge show up from everywhere!!! just saying.

I believe my abel dog could wind that far away if the conditions were just right, I've seen him wind a quater mile easy time after time after time. My neighbors goat protection dog can wind a gyp in heat for miles, all my neighbors have the proof of that running in there yards  ;D

So do these dogs start barking as soon as they bail out or once they hit the hogs trail?

It would seem unlikely they would wind a mile... Given the right conditions tho I'd say it's possible... Most likely smelling the sign a few hundred yards off and taking that out a mile to the hogs, or like they said the hog coulda been winded a few hundred yards and ran when the dogs hit the ground... Figure the hogs can wind the dogs just like the dogs wind them so the dogs don't have to be open to spook the hogs.. I'm sure it has and can happen tho, probably very seldom in reality... I know my dogs won't wind anywhere near a mile

I've had dogs break out of their yards and show up at my house from over a 1/2 mile away when Ive had bitches in heat. Just something to think about on this thread.  ;)

When conditions are right I can smell LaPorte from Deer Park!

Twilbanks that sure could be. All I had was Garmin to go off of.  But he never barked til tracker said 1.08 miles. And the second time was 1.18 miles. I'm not sure if HR winded em or run em a mile. But with this dog I would say winded cuz the dog wont stop a runner

im with Trenton on this one. im not gonna say its not possible, but if you run silent dogs and they leave the country on the Garmin and run a mile or more in a straight line and then bay up. what were they doing? running a hot track, or hot on a pigs @$$ that saw em coming.

 Aghahahahahahaha!  :laugh:   .....thats is true!

Only after I've eaten at the local taqueria. ;D

I have a dog that can wind 500 more yards further than anyones past or present dog....so I have all yall beat.

On PORKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   :D

That was a catchdog...his specialty is sight.

I know in my heart my Roo dog can rig and armadillo at 400+ yards when the mood hits her right without any noticeable wind, had many witnesses on this one. I really believe my husbands dog can rig a skunk at a mile and half.

They yip when they smell one, they bail off and start yipping until the hog is bayed, there real mouthy. Not loud just steady yipping. There long legged, fast and have alot of stamina. Sometimes I think they jus do it to get off the truck and go run, then once in the block they prob get on sum sign or a hog. Once they bail out we dont pick them up until there bayed. There out of Bayhead Kennels.

I've had this conversation on more than one occasion with som buddies in oklahoma and i whole heartedly believe that this scenario is what happens most of the time. They strike close and get them shut down alot further out. I mean no offense to anybody but a hog aint gonna stand there while a dog runs a mile through the fields and/or woods. he is gonna start covering some ground the fisrt time the dog crashes through a thicket or something IMO

There are dogs out there that have a cold nose for trailing and/or winding and have a natural inclination to wind. Quite a few mtn  curs will stand on their rear legs to wind.
Some dogs might have a good.nose but will not wind for game because it is not his natural inclination to do so.

A mile is only 1760 yards why not if the conditions are right I knoe I have seen my dogs act piggy from about 800 yards then get to other side of hill and they take off and bay an armadillo I think there was a pig there and the armadillo just happened to be close and the found him first in the thick and not the pig.  If you look at a mile straight it is not that far