EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

just curious if any of you boys especially tyhe texans are using this line of apbts as catchdogs.  the reason is that casrey basically bred them as a utility line of apbts. i recall mitch allison was tearin up the catch comps with one of caseys blue or blue brindle dogs when the comps were legal and goin strong in texas.

Hows it going Gary, I would be willing to bet there is plenty of that blood over around huntsville and Conroe TX. Alot of people used to get dogs from Mitch in years past. Most of the ones I saw in action were pretty good CD's. I used to work dogs at his place and hunt with him now and then. I have several of his dogs on video that he had on the yard back around 99 to 2002. He had some nice blues and blue brindles. He also had a nice trophy collection from those comps in the early 90's. Watching those old video's will make you appreciate a good bulldog. Mitch and a few others had some show stoppers but for the most part, there were some poor quality CD's on the video's I've  watched from the East TX comps. Now days, I'm sure the competition would be real tough because there are a lot more people breeding for CD's. If you have any recent pics of your new pup, shoot me an email, I'd like to see them.

hey britt its goin ok i guess,lol.i have video of some of the comps at places other than mitchs and there was some good dogs along with the not good ones. i kinda figgured there should be some of that blood down that way too. i got the ped on my new pup and ill have to get it to you somehow.i can see if my daughter has any new pictures of him i can send ya, gary

I have a female preacherman/watchdog and she catches pretty good.

I remember them ole Preacherman dogs .  Big black dogs the ones I know of.

yep big and black thats him!

not familiar with preacherman. bein as you said big and black and you guys are in texas , is it  down from plumbers alligator stuff? thanks gary

Im in south Florida Preacherman not sure if he goes back to Alligator, he has rastjacko in the ped in the back somewhere.

Yeah am thinking of a dog name Freemans "Preacher Boy".  Those Hammonds Alligator dogs make some pretty mean catch dogs.  Dont know if that is the Chavis Ch Jocko line are not but ole man Fletcher Chavis was a hell of a dog man .

i had a watchdog/razors edge line he was decent

just askin but who had the preacherman dog???  there was a guy in the area i live in that had a dog named preacher that was big and black just wounderin if it maybe the same dog

I have some Redboy/Jocko stuff that is sang good. I also had some old Plumber's Alligator stuff with a little bit of Carved stuff that worked pretty good as well. One of the best one I have owned is a Redboy/Jocko Eli/Alligator dog. The watchdog stuff is ok if it is crossed with some good game bred stuff. I know a few people that have some "pure" watchdog bred dogs and I just don't like them.

tmatt, what is it you didnt like about the straight watchdog apbts? just curious. i just asked about them as i am friends with the creator and also some guys here in california own some and i thought maybe as they werent typically smaller dogs that they might make decent catchdogs as i know when casey still had them some were used as cds with success.

They were not game enough for me. On multiple occasions I seen them take hits that should not have been a big deal and it sent them running. We thought it was just that particular dog at first so we took a few more of his dogs and worked them in a pen. Of the 8 dogs we worked that day 3 looked impressive until they got tired and then they just wouldn't go anymore. It may just be that I am hard on my bulldogs, but they better come everytime no matter how tired they are and they better not stop unless every hair on them is dead. I can't afford to get hurt because a dog quits on me.

tmatt, thanks for the answer, plenty good enough reason to not like em.

my Preacherman/Watchdog bitch took some nice hits, cuts, head slams, etc never had her quit, however I would run her 2 times a week 5-8 miles behind the 4 wheeler thru some ruff country and that kept her well conditioned but the only thing i wish she was leggier, she tend to bottom out (her chest) runnin thru how rutts LOL!!! anyways I respect others opinions!

to be honest i think the only papered (garner bred dog) that any of my buddies have used as a cd here in many years was shot on a hunt after grabbin his umpteenth dog. my friend who owned him had 2 hi 30ish lbers he used and my hunting partners son  after seein em both on a big boar one night said" gimme one of your 75 pound abs to hold a hog any day" he said both them little game dogs were off the ground and basically floppin in the wind. but this was with a p[ack of dogs that would not catch on a bad hog even once the cd caught. the consistancy of your pack of dogs  makes all the difference in the world on what you need as a cd, that is even if you need/use a cd.

I have used a bunch of different APBTs over the years, some with success and others with none. I have owned most of the common gamebred lines and in the last ten years or so I think I finally got it figured out. I am sure there are good watchdog bred dogs out there but I guess they are not consistent enough for me. With the lines I am using and breeding I may have one out of every 3 or 4 litters that don't make the cut, and the main reason they don't make the cut is because I can't keep them off of other dogs.

I hunt with Mitch Allison his so called
Watchdog line is just a dash of watch
Dog and 95percent Eli maverick
Almost pure boudreaux blood I
Personally breed this strain we share
Dogs to keep this strain a going
Strong I've heard it said that the
ABs that are performance bred CDs
Have a good percent of maverick
Blood and that's why they work so well
I personally like the pure eli
Maverick Boudreaux blood for
Catching pigs

bmac, i know mitch been usin eli stuff for along time but know he also had one dog from casey that he did great at in the comps. the ab infusions from maverick are from a dog named zydeco dancer and done by john litchthardt and some like em and some dislike , kinda like all stuff.

what do you think about rod kershner line of bull dogs i had a couple a long time ago and they were bigger than the average game bred pit ?

one of my foundation females was a kershner bred ab. her top side was screamer/ venture and the bottom side was pucketts general/kirby. hard bite seemed to keep goin even though i never bred back to the kershner side in any breedings.  the female patches  had some dog aggression but it was controllable. even though she did kill another female ab in a yard fight  after leavin my place. to this day my wife still swears patches was apbt,lol.

Kerschner had some real heavy Mayfield bred APBTs. I thought he got away from breeding the abs around the late 80s or real early 90s or so when he started raising the Mayfield bred APBTs. He had some of the tightest Mayfield stuff around. He got a lot of advice and pointers on breedings from Don as well. He was breeding of the purest family to put it in Donny Mayfield's words. I know he crossed some APBT from the Mayfield line into his abs at one point. He said it cleaned up the defects in the Scott's line. The APBT that he used was named Braskin, he was out of Mayfield's Frog and Sofiakis' Dianna.

yea i think you are right about him switching over to the mayfiels line of apbt. i had a couple from him years ago the female made a pretty nice catch dog. i now have a american bull dog from corner stone bull dogs and looking back at her pedigree way back their are some kershner ab blood way back. she catches like a freght train so far, her first catch was a 250lb plus sow down in evant at about a year old and she hit it like a grown dog.

I had a r kershner bitch called geisha
She was dead game and would catch
Like a freight train but every time
I got on a big one she got cut all to
Pieces on the other hand my tight bred
Eli dog cowboy would catch the same
Type stuff faster and harder without
Taking so much as a nic

mav, does your dog have fullers pretty patches way back in the ped?  i have a cornerstone dog here actually thats like 6 or 7 yrs old. kershner used mayfields braskin in his abs as well as  at least 2 other apbts of different lines than braskin.

I just crossed an AB that goes back to WhiteFang a good bit to a Pit that is granddaughter of Bezzelbub "Blue Bubba" ( that sounds right but it has been a long time since I read or saw anything on those dogs). Does that sound right to you Gary? Watch Dog is both ABs and Pits done by Casey Coutier?

Joey

hi joey and yes casey originated both the watchdog line of apbts as well as the abs.once i bought the old magazines from casey  and met some followers of the apbt line  i started hearing the name belzabub and had no clue what dog it was. so i asked casey and he said oh hell gary, thats blue bubba. casey and i were both shocked to find the watchdog line of apbts still has a following.i sold  a set of the first 21 issues of the magazine from casey to a guy in your state about 2 years ago or so that knows you but i cant recall his name. he wanted the old mags due to  the pictures etc on caseys old apbts that were in them.

Blue Bubba did not miss in the Catch Trials back in the day. I think I made a good AB x Pit with those two lines, but only time will tell!

Joey

garry her dam is bryna which brynas grandmother is fullers pretty patches. her sire is powells percival both owned by cornerstone. she is a pretty leggy bull dog iam pleased with her so far i will probably find the right dog to breed her after she turns two

thanks mav,if you didnt figure it out,lol, im the fuller that owned patches. i have a older female here that is percival bred to semambib.

Gary,

I bet that was Josh Loker who got those books? I gave him an AB that went back to your Patches dog on the topside and he also has a lot of Watch Dog blood Pits. His main male is 63% Watch Dog and a very nicely built blue dog that catches hard and has no other animal aggression that he has to break it from. (Even likes Cats, which is not a good quality for any breed in my book!). Those blue Watch Dogs are built like true game dogs, with some getting to and over Catch Weight. I like them for blue dogs.

Joey

The pits I'm raising and using are mostly colby but they do have watchdog in there. Never got to use my main male for catching before I lost him. My female is a good natured dog with no aggression to anything but pigs. I have a son out of these 2 that at 16 months old been on 15 hogs and never misses the ear. Need to find a female for him but I"m bout to breed my female back to a stocky long legged dog that's a catchin' machine just takes him a minute to get to a 100 yd bay. My female is leggy but not real thick so i'll be getting the best of both worlds hopefully.

yea garry i kinda figured that one out lol. they seem to be some pretty nice dogs