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Title: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 18, 2011, 06:11:25 pm
I'm pickin up another apbt this week but he's five and never been started I've never worked with a dog this old what y'all think the chances are on him catchin


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on July 18, 2011, 06:16:28 pm
50/50 just like the rest of them lol


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 18, 2011, 06:19:37 pm
Hahahah yea that's what I thought just can't resist him he's free and papered so geuss imma try


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: bignasty on July 18, 2011, 06:48:14 pm
50-50 maybe for some breeds like,,,,,, well never mind,pits got to have the lowest culls of all i put my money on it,let us know how he does 4 ya


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 18, 2011, 06:55:33 pm
Will do


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Muddogkennels on July 18, 2011, 06:57:44 pm
put him on a little pig let a cd catch the pig he will get the point to catch


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 18, 2011, 07:31:44 pm
Yea imma put him on one about 100 or so


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on July 18, 2011, 09:59:02 pm
I do agree on pits having a low cull rate. I bought my first 2 on color and was wanting pets. Got into hog hunting and they have been catching machines. Pups turned out great. Picked them up from the pound and got the free ones that have all turned out except for one that was dumped on me. But until you put a hog in front of them it's 50/50  ;)


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 18, 2011, 10:11:23 pm
i say let him watch a few times, get him riled up real good and let em go, those dogs like to work to impress so when he sees what he should do he will do it  O0


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Muddogkennels on July 18, 2011, 10:21:04 pm
100lb hog may hit him thats how u make a culled pit ya he will bit back but not to catch like i said let him watch a cd catch so he knows wut to do!


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 19, 2011, 01:06:14 am
Id start with 100#+ hog if hes 5yrs old get something that will give him a fight and trigger his instinct to grab ahold of it, proves nothing that a dog can catch and kill a small pig and if a bigger hog roughs him up and makes him a cull then he is a cull to begin with if a 100# hog is too much for him at that age...although I've Rarely seen a bulldog of any age that wouldn't catch when cornered eventually


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 01:23:09 am
JMHO but a 5 year old dog is old enough to put on any size pig. If he stops because he gets roughed up then he wasn't worth feeding. At five years old he is mentally and physically matured and he has his mind made up if he is gonna stop or not.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: hogdoggintexas on July 19, 2011, 03:16:23 am
50-50 maybe for some breeds like,,,,,, well never mind,pits got to have the lowest culls of all i put my money on it,let us know how he does 4 ya

yes i bet thats true but i think it is because they were being culled hard befor they were ever a catch dog and because alot of people dont cull like they need to they "make it work" because hes big or a good looking dog to tell the truth i have culled ALOT more pits than any other dogs and one of my best catch dogs was a 7 year old cur dog and he was killed by my best pit in the first fight the pit ever got in and his last


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 19, 2011, 03:59:37 am
That's why I'm thinkin lol my 5 month old cur dog is catchin 40lbers right now so yea I dont think a 100lb hog will cull a 80lb bulldog jmo


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Corey on July 19, 2011, 07:18:48 am
Untill last week I'd have said a pit will catch on prey drive and instinct alone.....I learned different, we had dogs baying awsome on 130lb. turn in a new pit, a real well bred, paperd dog, she hit the water hard, never even looked at the bayed hog as she walked by him...my little pit mix 22lb. snuck in and hit like a missile, really too bad she has a hummingbird hind end. LMAO Never thought I'd say it but not every pit will catch


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 08:41:07 am
Hogdoggintexas, maybe you had to cull so many because you were getting junk. I also don't understand why you would cull one just because he got into one fight. Dog fights happen, it is part of it. If it is a continuous problem then ok, but once, really. Just something that I have noticed is that people cull for some bs reasons and don't cull for reasons that they should.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Muddogkennels on July 19, 2011, 09:07:47 am
I train a lot of dogs and if he has never seen a hog don't think that he's going to act like a 5 year old cd so try to start small then work your way up if the pig is to big he my become a bay dog our start barking before he catches!


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 03:20:39 pm
If a 100lb hog can make a five year old pitbull back up and bay or start barking before he catches then the dog isn't worth the feed he is eating. I have a five year old that has never caught a pig and I will gurantee him to catch, he may not catch properly but he WILL NOT bark or bay!


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 19, 2011, 05:22:06 pm
If a 100lb hog can make a five year old pitbull back up and bay or start barking before he catches then the dog isn't worth the feed he is eating. I have a five year old that has never caught a pig and I will gurantee him to catch, he may not catch properly but he WILL NOT bark or bay!
x2


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on July 19, 2011, 09:52:45 pm
so you got him yet? tried him out? keep us updated.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 19, 2011, 10:22:08 pm
Goin get him tomorrow when I get off this hitch and about that time he better be ready to work lololol I'll post tomorrow and let y'all know


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 10:29:17 pm
Give him a little bit to get used to you. Do you have any idea how he is bred?


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 19, 2011, 10:37:10 pm
If any of my bull dogs, catches and kills one of my bay dogs, you can bet the farm on him not getting a second chance.  1 time is 1 too many, thats one thing I will not tolerate, at all.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 11:08:05 pm
With me, it all depends on the situation. If the bay dog starts it and gets hammered then I would expect nothing less from my "pit"bulldog. In fact at my house my pitbulls come first. I don't allow them to be dog aggressive but if I'm not around and it happens then it just happens.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 19, 2011, 11:10:30 pm
If any of my bull dogs, catches and kills one of my bay dogs, you can bet the farm on him not getting a second chance.  1 time is 1 too many, thats one thing I will not tolerate, at all.

x2 thats a bullet to the back of the head


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 11:13:22 pm
That's because you don't have the bulldogs that I have.  ;) I have dogs that can not be reproduced.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 19, 2011, 11:32:53 pm
He's Colby and blue I wanta say I'll look at his papers tomorrow and let ya know for sure


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 19, 2011, 11:35:34 pm
If any of my bull dogs, catches and kills one of my bay dogs, you can bet the farm on him not getting a second chance.  1 time is 1 too many, thats one thing I will not tolerate, at all.
x2 I seen it too many times before and yes you loose two dogs on the yard that day but like forest said $#!+ happins!!!


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 19, 2011, 11:38:06 pm
I guess, to each his own. If he is Colby let me know what Colby dogs he is off of.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 20, 2011, 01:07:53 am
I wouldn't own high dollar or high bred irreplaceable bulldogs if I planned to catch many hogs cuz their days are numbered, and if dogs are fighting at my house they catch lead poisoning end of story no matter how good they are... Not Puttin up with it... And it's rare a 40# Cur dog is doin the Jumpin on a gamebred 90# pit, usually the other way around but if I see who started it there gone, if not and ones still alive then there both gone... No room in the woods for a fighting dog and no excuse to feed one... Jmo


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 20, 2011, 01:17:36 am
There is no such thing as a 90 lb gamebred pitbull. I won't catch with my brood dogs, I breed them and use the pups. I was into the bulldogs way before I got into hog hunting that is why I have the dogs I do. I don't own a bulldog over 48 lbs and that is fat and out of shape. In shape he will be about 45. Ch. Alligator and Gr. Ch. Mayday were considered big gamebred pitbulls and neither of them were 90lbs.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 20, 2011, 01:25:39 am
Well the bulldog weighing 80-90 pounds whatever breed they are is irrelevant fighting is as unacceptable for a 30# one as it is for a 90# one...or Cur dog too for that matter... I'm just very anti-dogfighting lol


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 20, 2011, 01:31:58 am
It is not acceptable in the woods. I don't like it at home, but if it happens I figure out how to avoid it in the future. I know that dogs are territorial and understand that my dogs will defend their territory and if that means I lose a dog then damn the bad luck. Knock on wood though, I haven't lost one to a yard accident in five or six years.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 01:59:34 am
I dont expect my bull dogs to set and take a whooping, and it does depend on the situation. I have a 0 tolerance for dog aggression, wether its posturing or what ever.
One of my main reasons for this comes from bear hunting. Imagine 20 - 30 dogs at a tree, pumped full of adrenaline, and one dog is walking around sizing up, every dog it comes across. Its eventually gonna start a fight and then you got done big dog fight.
And alot of big money dogs that belong to other people gettin tore up or killed over one ill


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 20, 2011, 02:01:45 am
mine stay in pens together half the time so they share territory and dont fight... lol what happen to the 5yr old catch dog tho???


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 20, 2011, 02:02:39 am
when we goin bear huntin??


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 02:07:23 am
Then the bear gets away, that you've spent 3 days hard walking  trying to find. theres just too many other dogs out there to put up with aggression issues, wether its hounds, curs, or bulldogs.
I think we just totaly hijacked this thread, oops, sorry


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 20, 2011, 07:18:59 am
Yeah, I think so. Well, back to the original thread. Let us know how the five year old does.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 10:46:26 am
when we goin bear huntin??
Nov. And Dec. Come on


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 20, 2011, 08:16:18 pm
Well guys he's gonna work got ruffed a lil bit threw my finishes dog and looked like he was catchin for years straight on the ear then on back the head great with other dogs he went to the bay so I'd say he's a keeper what ya think


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 09:17:17 pm
Good deal, sounds like a keeper


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on July 20, 2011, 09:21:26 pm
sounding like he's gonna get 'er did. Glad ya finally got ya one found hopefully he'll catch hard for ya for awhile.


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: 5150hogdogs on July 20, 2011, 10:23:17 pm
Yes sirrrrrr I'm like a kid on his b-day lololol 


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: noelle on July 20, 2011, 11:35:16 pm
Good deal hope he works out


Title: Re: Chances of starting dog
Post by: tmatt on July 20, 2011, 11:47:01 pm
Sounds good!