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Title: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: matt_aggie04 on July 19, 2011, 09:21:45 pm
Anyone ever seen a bear in person in Texas?  This one is right in some peoples on this board back yard.

http://www.texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2441040/Re_Bear_Pics#Post2441040


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cantexduck on July 19, 2011, 09:23:53 pm
Mary on Texas Bowhunter got video of one down south last year or the year before. Pretty neat.  Big fine and jail time if you kill one in Texas.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: LionandBoarHunter on July 19, 2011, 09:25:47 pm
YEP THERE MAKIN THERE WAY THIS WAY I SEEN 2 ON OUR OLD FAMILY RANCH ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Mike on July 19, 2011, 09:26:33 pm
That's cool! I hunted with JP in that same area a few times... be nice to get some bear baying pics. ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 19, 2011, 09:31:48 pm
Texas looks better every day. ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: matt_aggie04 on July 19, 2011, 09:41:05 pm
I couldn't help but think when I saw that picture of the bear how it would look like a big ass hog if you walked up in the bay but if that sob stood up on its back legs and went to swatting dogs $hit would get WILD!


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Mike on July 19, 2011, 09:55:48 pm
I couldn't help but think when I saw that picture of the bear how it would look like a big ass hog if you walked up in the bay but if that sob stood up on its back legs and went to swatting dogs $hit would get WILD!

Just think how wild it would get if you sent a couple of bulldogs to the bay thinking it was a big ass hog!!!


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: matt_aggie04 on July 19, 2011, 09:57:34 pm
Train Wreck Delux!!!  Thats that 2% reason why it is nice to carry a pistol, it would be your only hope cause I don't think Chance could even flip and tie a bear ha!


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on July 19, 2011, 10:01:09 pm
They have some signs up over here around us stating that they have released some and to be very careful what you shoot at. $10,000 fine.  Hehe bet there was some bear jerky on some East Texas Rednecks table before the sun went down that day. 


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Jasonmac on July 19, 2011, 10:01:21 pm
x2 on the pistol.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 19, 2011, 10:52:38 pm
sure would to suck to get to leg it and see thats fur not hog hair on its hind end


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: -s kennels on July 19, 2011, 11:03:20 pm
i think i would chit on my self i went in and try to leg it


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 19, 2011, 11:09:39 pm
sure would to suck to get to leg it and see thats fur not hog hair on its hind end
Not much difference, between bear and hog hair.
And unless its a cub, your running a BIG pack of dogs, you wont have to worry about leggin it, cause it wont be caught. They are like coons and can turn around in their skin.
Most wont stop and fight, they will run or tree. And those that do fight will put you out of the dog business in a hurry.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: jdt on July 19, 2011, 11:13:24 pm
ben jordan told me his neihbor spent all 1 summer in court over killin a bear that was killin his calves . they were trying to put him in prison, come to find out it was a nuisanse bear that was relocated from arkansas .

  the arkansas bears all came from east tn . in my lifetime their have been 2 come through here ( west tn ) on their way home . i got some hunting buddies in missouri that are seeing bears .

  i dont beleive its right for wildlife agency's to move nuisance , predator or crop destroying animals in on you and then say if you kill one defending your property , or potentially maybe even a family members life that you can be fined or worse .


   MAYBE OUR GOVERNMENT IS JUST GETTING TOO BIG !


  i would damn sure like to bay one though ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 19, 2011, 11:20:35 pm
Come on up John, well give it a whirl. Bay or tree one or have fun tryin.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: jdt on July 19, 2011, 11:27:58 pm
will do tom you might have to tote me part of the time lol my legs aint as long as yours .

yall ourta plan on comming this fall about corn shelling time , all of you .


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 19, 2011, 11:42:36 pm
sure would to suck to get to leg it and see thats fur not hog hair on its hind end
Not much difference, between bear and hog hair

last time i was around both they were at a taxidermy so maybe it was the way they were done

we got them up here alot, goin through peoples yards and whatnot


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 19, 2011, 11:54:27 pm
will do tom you might have to tote me part of the time lol my legs aint as long as yours .

yall ourta plan on comming this fall about corn shelling time , all of you .
Might just do that. Work is starting to slow down a little so I might be able to get loose a day or two. Bout when would that be? And should I bring dogs? ;D
Shoot, im so out of shape, we might have to pay somebody to go to the dogs. Lol


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: jdt on July 20, 2011, 12:06:19 am
tom , i'll find out for sure , usually in sept . hell yeah bring dogs . we can send them boys to the dogs if we have too .


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 20, 2011, 12:11:00 am
tom if its them plotts ill go get em rolleyes


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 12:18:22 am
tom , i'll find out for sure , usually in sept . hell yeah bring dogs . we can send them boys to the dogs if we have too .
They sure are tuff enough. Just let me know, got to go to the dang beach bout the 3 rd week of Sept.  >:(
    Have to be before deer season too.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 07:51:36 am
Matt I juse want to rope him not tie him. Once he's  roped then don't  stop dragging .lol just one of those things I want to do before I die or die trying.lol


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: firemedic on July 20, 2011, 08:48:00 am
Cward,....had a guy from TN that was hunting with one of my friends a couple of years ago and they bayed a big bear, it was working on the dogs and my buddy told the guy to shoot it quick,....he was trying to get dogs out and finally looked for the guy when he didn't shoot,...low and behold he's come out with a rope and is building a loop to rope it, needless to say my buddy shot the bear. The guy got all tore up because he didn't get to rope it, said, like you, that it was something he's always wanted to do. My buddy then asked him what I'm wondering as well,....when you get it roped.....what are you gonna do with it then?


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 09:06:15 am
I going to drag it I wanted to rope off my horse. Im up for any once in a life time experience  unless it has something to do with a man.lol


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: matt_aggie04 on July 20, 2011, 09:12:14 am
The horse would probably fair better if you kicked him out of the back of the trailer at about 70mph haha.  From what I have seen on TV the comparison to a coon is dead on, they can twist and contort in ways yuo cant imagine.  I imagine they could ruin a dog quick.  In that country where the game cam picture was taken a tree of any size is few and FAR between.  When he stopped to fight it would get ugly quick.  I know of of one near Tilden that the mans dogs wouldn't even mess with, smartes move those dogs ever made.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 09:17:25 am
Chance,

Bo said when you're ready, bring your horse out.  He'd get you in the situation of your life. 

My advise is pay your life insurance up.  Rowdy needs a new pair of boots.  LOL

I wish no harm on you, but I'd love to video that stuff.  When you're ready, just let me know.  If anyone out there has an honest shot at pulling it off, it would be you.  Talk about some hits on YOUTUBE.   ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 10:49:53 am
Chance,

Bo said when you're ready, bring your horse out.  He'd get you in the situation of your life.  

My advise is pay your life insurance up.  Rowdy needs a new pair of boots.  LOL

I wish no harm on you, but I'd love to video that stuff.  When you're ready, just let me know.  If anyone out there has an honest shot at pulling it off, it would be you.  Talk about some hits on YOUTUBE.   ;D
Set it up I will start building my rope. 10.0 3 strand poly with the forth strand .125 cable. A full 60 ft. I'm game on. An yes we are going to video it. Do I have to have a hunting license to rope a bear? ???


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: T-Bob Parker on July 20, 2011, 12:57:22 pm
Chance,

Bo said when you're ready, bring your horse out.  He'd get you in the situation of your life.  

My advise is pay your life insurance up.  Rowdy needs a new pair of boots.  LOL

I wish no harm on you, but I'd love to video that stuff.  When you're ready, just let me know.  If anyone out there has an honest shot at pulling it off, it would be you.  Talk about some hits on YOUTUBE.   ;D
Set it up I will start building my rope. 10.0 3 strand poly with the forth strand .125 cable. A full 60 ft. I'm game on. An yes we are going to video it. Do I have to have a hunting license to rope a bear? ???

I gotta be there for that. I'll bring my 30-30. I read a book when I was a kid that was a collection of letters from Texas Rangers during the plains wars and manifest destiny and several rangers claimed to have roped black bear in northeast Texas. My cousin who used to be the game manager at a northeast TX  ranch that I can't spell but I think it was broseco? Had a painting on his wall of a couple cowhands double teaming a black bear and stretching it out. Cool pic. I bet you'd be alright. ;)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 01:11:50 pm
I'd be more worried about gettin shot than attacked by the bear. I had a personal  friend who roped a Rino. He roped cats and all kinds of animals around the world he never roped a bear so I will feel those shoes for him. There are pictures all in his house of the things he roped.

He died at the age of 90. But I got to here alot of his stories.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: catchrcall on July 20, 2011, 01:32:56 pm
Seems like I read somewhere that in California back in the vaquero days roping  bears was the thing to do.  That was always one of their big goals was to kill a bear with a horse and rope. 


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: BarrNinja on July 20, 2011, 02:03:44 pm
I couldn't help but think when I saw that picture of the bear how it would look like a big ass hog if you walked up in the bay but if that sob stood up on its back legs and went to swatting dogs $hit would get WILD!

Just think how wild it would get if you sent a couple of bulldogs to the bay thinking it was a big ass hog!!!

Haha! I have ran a few of these scenarios through my mind in the past. Non of them were pretty!!!


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 02:07:38 pm
Set it up I will start building my rope. 10.0 3 strand poly with the forth strand .125 cable. A full 60 ft. I'm game on. An yes we are going to video it. Do I have to have a hunting license to rope a bear? ???

Chance,

Out of curiousity, would you use your best roping horse, knowing you will need everything to come together for it to play out, or would you use your worst one, just in case the bear did the horse in?  Also, once you rope it, what is your next step?  Is that where T-Bob would get his crack at it?  In your mind, could one horse and cowboy get it handled, or would you have to have a heeler?  If you needed a heeler, who would handle those duties for you on this adventure?  You've got me curious, as I know you're serious about the whole thing (as am I).   ;)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: gary fuller on July 20, 2011, 02:10:28 pm
a friend of mine in northern california has actually caught a few bears with his hounds, curs and one and 2 bulldogs. i think the biggest was about 300 lbs. i know he has gotten a couple apbts killed doin this too as well as ruined a good ab.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: gary fuller on July 20, 2011, 02:12:05 pm
oh yea and you guys that want to rope a bear  are nuts lol


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 02:15:19 pm
oh yea and you guys that want to rope a bear  are nuts lol

If you've ever shook Chance's hand, that goes without saying. 

 ;)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 02:17:37 pm
Set it up I will start building my rope. 10.0 3 strand poly with the forth strand .125 cable. A full 60 ft. I'm game on. An yes we are going to video it. Do I have to have a hunting license to rope a bear? ???

Chance,

Out of curiousity, would you use your best roping horse, knowing you will need everything to come together for it to play out, or would you use your worst one, just in case the bear did the horse in?  Also, once you rope it, what is your next step?  Is that where T-Bob would get his crack at it?  In your mind, could one horse and cowboy get it handled, or would you have to have a heeler?  If you needed a heeler, who would handle those duties for you on this adventure?  You've got me curious, as I know you're serious about the whole thing (as am I).   ;)

I



I would use one of my old cow horses that has done just about everything you ask him to do if I need something bad roped I use him. I personally think it is a one man job. But my second step would be just to drag the bear and let the hounds work.
Third just see what the hell happens after that. If it looked like we could get some good pictures  alive with him than lets do it. If not well he was roped.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: BarrNinja on July 20, 2011, 02:19:37 pm
I'd be more worried about gettin shot than attacked by the bear. I had a personal  friend who roped a Rino. He roped cats and all kinds of animals around the world he never roped a bear so I will feel those shoes for him. There are pictures all in his house of the things he roped.

He died at the age of 90. But I got to here alot of his stories.

The 30-30 is for putting you out of your misery Chance! Lol. Reminds me of that old Jerry Clowers story. You just might need the relief!  ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 02:20:40 pm
Well, hook the trailer up, load the rascal, and start rolling out.  I know where the bears are.   ;D

I'll see you tomorrow at 10:00 AM.   ;D

You better kiss the wife and kids real good before you leave the driveway.   :D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 02:22:52 pm
Alan,

I've got dibs on what is left of the saddle.   :D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: catchrcall on July 20, 2011, 02:31:12 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/zonerugby/The-Bear-At-Bay-Roping-A-Grizzly.jpg)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 02:39:54 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/zonerugby/The-Bear-At-Bay-Roping-A-Grizzly.jpg)
the only thing bad about that picture is it shows,them fixing to rope the bear not after the bear was roped.lol great picture.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tmatt on July 20, 2011, 02:47:43 pm
Maybe you could drag a second stock trailer up there with you and drag the bear into it. Sounds like a good time and ya'll have it all planned out. Keep us posted on how it goes. If you need someone to heel it let me know, I have an old sorrell horse that needs a good workout.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cajunl on July 20, 2011, 02:58:16 pm
The bears here in Fl are about as stupid as could be. You could rope him off foot and tighten the rope and he would never stop eating corn or out of my trash can! ;D

I see one about once a week and treed one with cur dogs about two weeks ago. My cur dogs forgot to look up and run around the base of the tree looking for it.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: catchrcall on July 20, 2011, 03:20:06 pm
Got im this time  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/zonerugby/cowboys-roping-a-bear-approximate-original-size-25x35.jpg)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: LionandBoarHunter on July 20, 2011, 03:37:51 pm
chance i will come in from behind on my mule and get a double but cutter you hav to scratch his belly when we strech him! ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Wmwendler on July 20, 2011, 03:47:16 pm
The only problem I can see with the plan is how we gonna decide which down town to turn him loose in after he's caught? ???

Waylon


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 03:49:22 pm
Thats a deal JP we will set it up. Cutter my scatch more than his belly if we get him stretched. Cause you know there's going to be some cheerleading  going on.lol
I say Houston  they freak out over everything.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Bigdog on July 20, 2011, 04:06:52 pm
i know of bear being roped,saw it myself its quite a rodeo.roping them is easy gettin the rope off is the tricky part.and its not a good ideal to sick ur bulldog on them unless u dont want him no more.i have a pack of bear dogs n e time u guys think u nuts enought to rope one.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 04:13:53 pm
i know of bear being roped,saw it myself its quite a rodeo.roping them is easy gettin the rope off is the tricky part.and its not a good ideal to sick ur bulldog on them unless u dont want him no more.i have a pack of bear dogs n e time u guys think u nuts enought to rope one.

I will need Chance, JP, or you to please translate this mess of words and letters.   :D

I did not understand anything you thought you stated.   ;)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 04:14:31 pm
chance i will come in from behind on my mule and get a double but cutter you hav to scratch his belly when we strech him! ;D

Only if Mr. Ronnie agrees to "strap" him.   :D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Bigdog on July 20, 2011, 04:28:51 pm
sorry cutter bay im just a slow okie so bear with me when i post,im not as sharp as all these texans ur used to dealing with.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 05:08:24 pm
No apology  needed I under stood every  word you wrote. I didn't NP any thing was wrong with it until cutter pointed it out.

translation  he said that if me and JP guy him caught and stretch you were going to castrate them bear and take the ropes off. Im such a good traslater.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: ETHHunters on July 20, 2011, 05:14:36 pm
No apology  needed I under stood every  word you wrote. I didn't NP any thing was wrong with it until cutter pointed it out.

translation  he said that if me and JP guy him caught and stretch you were going to castrate them bear and take the ropes off. Im such a good traslater.
Now who's gonna translate that? ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 05:18:48 pm
Eth.   JP  will translate that for you later. ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 05:39:01 pm
Timmy,

After finally getting those posts translated, I now feel I could understand Ebonics easier.  What is in ya'll's water anyway?   :(


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 05:46:34 pm
I think  eth's sewage might run south and got in my warter then I went to the hill country and pissed at the top of one of those hills and it ran in the valley JP lives in. Do I need to explain more.lol


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 20, 2011, 06:37:45 pm
I will use what little bit of vac I habe left, to come down and see this. Or we could just set it for the big ETHD get together. ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 07:10:30 pm
I will use what little bit of vac I habe left, to come down and see this. Or we could just set it for the big ETHD get together. ;D

Nope!  We won't be able to ride horses on that hunt.  ;)


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 07:29:00 pm
Ive got to be able to rope him off My horse.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Bigdog on July 20, 2011, 07:32:33 pm
cward u can bring that horse to okla and well rope one but im not taking the rope off for u.but if u will hold him ill hobble him an send him back south with u.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: T-Bob Parker on July 20, 2011, 08:13:54 pm
I'll shave my name on his butt for a litter of pups. :D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 08:40:59 pm
cward u can bring that horse to okla and well rope one but im not taking the rope off for u.but if u will hold him ill hobble him an send him back south with u.
Sounds fair enough.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 20, 2011, 08:42:24 pm
I'll shave my name on his butt for a litter of pups. :D
O0
I don't  think that a litter of blueticks is worth the hair on my butt. But if you insist


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on July 20, 2011, 09:09:36 pm
I'll shave my name on his butt for a litter of pups. :D
O0
I don't  think that a litter of blueticks is worth the hair on my butt. But if you insist
You ain't right!!!   ;D  :D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: SCHitemHard on July 20, 2011, 10:34:41 pm
you know after we catchem we could play some bear poker?


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Bigdog on July 21, 2011, 02:24:41 pm
cward.i have to warn u them bear loves to eat hogs so u mite not want n e bear down there.plus i dont no if them ybmc can handle them bears or not.lol.i would hate to see u have to get u sum hounds.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: cward on July 21, 2011, 02:55:36 pm
There ain't  no bear left in Texas cause of them curs.lol my ancestors would herd the bears Sale them all at once. Lol.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Rockin-P-Ranch on July 21, 2011, 02:59:20 pm
Chance if you want to rope a bear Im sure JP is in and I know Iam.Could use a good dose of excitement right about now.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: sfboarbuster on July 21, 2011, 02:59:56 pm
Chance, you've got to put your brand on him before he gets turned out!


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Bigdog on July 21, 2011, 03:51:26 pm
cward.should of new id get that kind of answer.lol but really i would like to cut a boar bear and put my ear mark on him and turn him loose.the fish and game would crap if they ever found out.but it would b a good time fer sure.


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: Wmwendler on July 21, 2011, 10:50:26 pm
There ain't  no bear left in Texas cause of them curs.lol my ancestors would herd the bears Sale them all at once. Lol.

hehe, we used to free range our bears in Texas

If you cut a bear does he become a barr? or was he allready a barr?   ;D

Waylon


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: tnhillbilly on July 21, 2011, 11:20:11 pm
Bears, are called boars, sows too, so guess it would be a bar bar. ;D


Title: Re: JP might need bear dogs?
Post by: jdt on July 23, 2011, 10:03:53 am
i'm in ! i'll probably need a blindfold for my horse cause he aint never seen nothing like that . lol maybe tom can trap me a cub to sack'im out with  ;D ;D