EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I know silverton does but who else breeds a line of rcd.  Not talking just breeding a strike dog to a pit but full blown couple generation rcds.  What is their backgrounds etc.

My pitbull dogs run in there and catch, does that count? JK >:D

my catahoula [nalc] line ain't nothin but , hunted 7 years before i got a bulldog only got him cause my pack was gettin old thought i'd get em some help been crossin hound and plott into them to try and get em to back off not much luck they just get there faster now.

I been wanting to talk to him about them moose hounds. :) They may just be ugly enough for me. ;D

What exactly do u call a rcd? Any rough Cur dog? Any pit Cur that'll catch not led In? I don't think rcd is a line or breed to my knowledge rather yet just a dog that'll catch??? Rcd= Rough Cur dog ;D

pretty much just ruff cur dogs that you don't go to the bay you go to the gruntin and sqeelin . they work great for straight up hog removin projects no chaseing broke hogs all over the country.but when i was runnin mine with out a cd  and i hered em bayin i knew we had somethin special , there's a fine line between gritty and ignorant if you know what i meen.

Well, i still have the one i posted about a while back, and he is on the line of ignorant.  He is a 45 pound catahoulas and as wild as ive seen.  He is like a Game Bred APBT on gunpowder.  Calm as ever on his chain but in sight of a hog and he will go insane. 

I had them for a long time never bred many just what I used and I thought I wanted a little less catch so cut the catch down got the grit and now am going right back to them Lmao .  The hell with running hogs I want to stop'em.  Just bred the first new liter out of some of my old dogs.  Didnt know how much I love'em till I spent a couple years without'em.

I'm with you there buddy! 

i know what you meen i remember the days of just walkin through the woods listening to the birds instead of that pantin pullin knuckle headed bull dog of mine . but i wont hunt withiut him anymore he's worth his feed on them biguns. cuase like i said when they bayin thars somethin special out thar i used to have to lasso them suckers and find a tree cuase i was the bulldog back then!! and didn't carry no gun that makes me a bit ignert i guess ;D  ;D

Lol my dogs are big and rough... My big yello male hunts bout 500yds deep but if he's barking it's something special lol he is bout 95# and well over knee high but he is what u mite call on the ignorant side of that fine line lol just crazy when he is around a hog, gotta choke or break him off he ain't lettin go till he's cut plum down. If he is with my two gyps they are the same way and I don't hunt a bulldog if I have them 3, but I wouldn't call them rcds by no means because they go hunt and find hogs as well.

How long have you had that big male hunting like that?  I had one that would hunt out about 500 and he started catching anything under 250 on his own when he was about 4years old and he didn't last long after that.  You must run a garmin to track to him!  Take my advice and get a chest vest for him if your not running one already.  I didn't get one fast enough before i lost my red dog.  Man i miss that dog. 

hes around 5 i guess, had him since he was a yr old and always been that rough, plenty scars to show for it... i have been looking into a chest vest but all i run is a cut collar on him the last 3 yrs... he will catch anything under 250 by himself too, mite whoop him down but he will wad right back up on him, has the size to hold a good hog tho

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Noelle take my advice and get a chest plate next thing you do.  I lost one of my best that was that big because i was lazy and didn't get it for him.  Great looking dog by the way.  Oh, and there are some out there that affect his performance. 

ya i put a vest on him a couple times to go catch some known dog killers, and caught them too but he did not hunt very well with the vest... i saw just a chest bib someone had but havent been able to find one

I'll keep my eye open for you one! 

ok i apreciate it

Me too, ive been wanting one too. Ive got a big yellers male same way. He aint worth a dime with a vest on. But catches like a bull dog. So far, anyway.

See this is what I am talking about almost everything yall have mentioned are rough curs.  I know of a couple cats that are what I am speaking of but they aint for sale. Jay hutto has one and kbar on here has the other.  If they are barking they aint a running catch dog but a rough cur dog.  A lot of guys say they like these types of dogs but no one is hardly breeding for them that I can find.  the type of dog I speak of is aussie style finder holder NOT a rough cur dog.

i use a pack of bmc they are what i call a rcd they will all strike hogs and catch not much barking out of my dogs. i use the boar bid from ugly dog have had good luck my dogs hunt good in them

i have a 1/2 cat 1/2 pit    i run him on ground at all times    he is close range and will locate   but is great help dog    when he gets there number 2 is about to get real    caught one tuesday   went around 250   he worked that hog over     i really wish i could breed him    i don;t have any gyps id wat to cross him with tho

we ran cur/pits all the time, i never owned a bay dog that was my buddies job

1/4 cur/3/4 pit, game pits, 3/4 cur/ 1/4 pit, half and half breeds

Purebreed,
   
      I had a pit RCD, and have been around others. Ran loose with the curs, caught when they bayed. Would come back and tattle if they were trashing. He was 100% trashbroke, and hunted loose horseback.   Also had a cur dog that did the same thing, no bark, just straight catch. He didn't care to find his own hog, just caught the ones other dogs found for him.

You mention aussie style finder holder... I take that to mean the dog is supposed to find it AND catch it.... that's not what I think of when someone mentions a RCD, an RCD to me is a 100% catch dog that is run loose with the pack.

See sc your the type I'm looking for you bred for the catch and hunt. Not what 90 percent of so called rcd are is accadents pit bred my strike dog deals. 

Landon, my hunting buddy has a mighty fine stag, if he finds the right pit, dogo, or ab bitch to breed, they would be mighty fine rcds. I believe you have a good female dogo, right?

i thought thats what a dogo was a rcd

Not all the time, plus hairy dogs are cooler  O0

ya i kinda like the ugly dog myself lol

I have been crossing a Dogo and Catahoula for 13 years and have a few out that are doing a great job.
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Called Catdo's
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Have three now, one is 7 year old, one 5 years old and one three.
When I go by myself I let one run on ground and one on leash for back up.

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i use to call him a RCD now he is my main strike dog.....anything under 200 is caught right off the bat if it is over that he will bay as long as it doesnt move......if it tries to run sit down or gives him the opportunity its over with he will latch and your gonna have hell gettin him off

Yes Mr Mason I had a memory lapse you are another and probally one of the few to make a dogo work crossed with a generally bay dog with any type of numbers.  Circle c guess to me a rcd is a little of it all close range don't just hang at your feet but don't go a mile hunting hit the hog and hold it till I get there rather I have other dogs on the ground or not.  Tbob yeah I have a 5/8 dogo 3/8 ab that is proven on staged hunts and has more nose than my sposed to be find dogs I think lol but she aint proven yet I don't think

Here is how I go when I hunt by myself,
One bay dog, one Catdo running on the ground, and one Catdo on lease.
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Lex, Catdo, Bob find and bay B/M, Rock, Catdo, brother too Sojo in east Texas.

I expect at least a little bit of range from any catch dog.  Pits generally have a good nose and can hunt hard in scent.  I've seen a few that could trail.  Lots of folks, don't let them hunt "off leash" so they are never given the chance to prove any other ability than catching.  Pits seem to trash break themselves, and mine tattle on the Jagds too.
Good pits are hard to find, but there are lot of cheap and free candidates out there.   

i geuss i was wrong to say  just rough cur dogs . thats what i called em . they are straight catahoula;s [nalc]reg. that hunt for hogs hard . but they will catch and hold what they can and back off and bay what they can't but it ain't going no where when they find it with out dogs hanging onto whatever till it stops runnin again  wich ain't very far . but they do take a beating. my old male cat. he's gone now but all my dogs have his blood in them. he'd be beat down and baying oon a 300# hog but that hog was allways missing a right ear. ;D i killed alot of hogs with that ol'' man hog didn't get him he got some kind of illness at 7 years old and vet couldn't fix it .  they all worked medium to close style wich we didn't have to go far to fibd hogs and i was allways right there close [on foot] to rope a leg and help em out, we tied up and pulled out as many as we stuck , i say we but just my dogs and me.

ya mine will wind and trail some too, but how long will a pit last runnin before hes wore out???? thats the problem ;)

landon iv got some yellow dogs that have hardly any bark. they just run in and catch on the ear. ask yellow black mask he has seen these dogs catch, and his friend said they catch hard. i dont call them rcd, they strike hogs to , iv got a litter on the way

I just bred my soco dog (dogo) to Missy's catdo that is out of Pauls line of catdos. The catdo is out of AJ, one of pauls best strike dogs (catahoula). My soco dog is a hell of a strike dog himself, I can't hunt him alone as a one out, even strikes pigs in dry @ss Lubbock in hot weather. Should be some jam up dogs however you want to use them, not sure if any will be available though.

Soon as I get some more room, I'm gonna start working on a line of rcd/ finder holders to stop all these runners. I will probably be working on this in conjunction with some other good dog men as well who are already working for this.

As many of you may already know, I ain't much for leading in a cd, especially when bays ain't holding well.

Noble, it.depends on the dog. I have dogs that can run all day and be ready to catch when they need to. A guy got a male from me and when he was conditioning him he was using the truck to exercise him. He would do 8 miles in the morning with him and between 5 and 8 miles at night. The night work varied in the beginning depending on heart rate and recovery but at the end of 30 days he was doing 8 miles both morning and night with every other day off. He would do springpole and bite work with him on the days off.

A pit will last as long as it can.  The crazy pits with alot of muscle bulk are likely to give out sooner, than the calm or more athletic ones.  They normally hunt closer and check in more often, so it's not like they are expected to match curs and Jagds step for step.

The advantage is if you see a hog rooting in a field, or have a real small piece of property to hunt the pits catch the instant they find a hog or miss and get out run.  When I hunt close to houses, and highways, they are my go to dogs.  Used that way it's all or nothing, but rarely a long drawn out race. 

My point was there are free and cheap adult pits everywhere you look.  They can make a "finder / holder" dog.  You will have to try a few to find the right one, but they can do the job.   

Blade will bark when he first gets there and then he's caught. Back in the Spring he started and bayed a shoat about 75 lbs by himself.He barked a few times and quit. I knew he was caught. With the exception of a good boar. He'll bark and as soon as the CD comes in hes on it.

Diesel, Zachs Cat, is pretty catchy too, but he'll bark some. He is only a year old tho.

But I wouldnt consider either a RCD. My impression was a RCD will run and catch running. My dogs usually catch when the hog bays. Unless its pigs , then its just run and gun, leaving carnage in their wake.

this dog im trying to add pics of is tie he was a bmf  bad mother fxxxxx all he found wS BIG BOARS and hated them  he was  a reg bmc engelmen blood after he got wrecked up (picture wont load ) he wore a vest and colar he lived to be 8 he and i were best buds he died on a big boar and that boar died also the hogs tooth went between the vest and colar where the to meet ea pther  and hit his neck and he bleed out before i could stick the hog and pick him up [IMG]

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All my Dogos hunt off lead, I expect them to use their noses--- with the Garmin it’s MUCH easier now to KNOW where they are.

 I have a friend over in Pasco County who has been hunting his bulldogs (pits) off lead ---WITH AWESOME success---

 Bulldogs are PLENTY capable of doing the finding IF allowed matter fact I bet SOME can and will out strike Cur dogs IF ALLOWED---

 I have the up-most respect for the American Pit bull and honestly believe they been UNDER-USED.

 Their resumes TALK of extreme potential and AWESOME abilities and working ethics, I also believe that by JUST using them as catch dogs the wind as been breed out of them--- these are animals that where breed for many generations to LAST hours in extreme fighting conditions, endurance to the core.

 Folks---- these are just THEORIES of mine and I share them with the most respect.   NOT at all talking down on folks who use them as just catch dogs---

 I  HONESTLY believe and am VERY convinced that the American pit bull terrier IS PLENTY CAPABLE of MORE than just catching.



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I agree Oly. Just as a side note, Bobby uses his ABs in the same fashion that he uses his APBTs.

YES you are correct Scott :) :) :) ---thanks for reminding me of that Sir---

Oly, you are exactly right. The APBT is absolutely one of the most athletic dogs in existence imho. The wind has definitely been bred out of a lot of them. These little short wide dogs that everyone wants now do not have the lung capacity that the old style APBTs had. I have the older lines of dogs and they have as much wind as anyone could ever want in a dog.

Sorry don't fully trust a pit and one with endurance is hard to find and speed they don't have what I desire.  I want the perfect rcd/cd endurance speed handling full catch and when called on can find its own pig.  The ausies do it well but I have yet to see it other than Mr Mason and a select couple of others and most of them are out of breeding or so seldom it would be years for me to get a pup.  I just thought there might be someone that reads this and don't post much chime in with what they are using.

Purebreed,
   There's been some baying catdo's produced as well...   It's no different than any other "breed", the individual makes the dog.

My bulldog has a good nose he will wind a hog if it's close... But speed and endurance he just don't have it. None of the pits or ab dogs I've had were capable of being anything more than a catch dog because they just get wore out too easy... And ive owned a whole bunch, All dogs have a nose and can smell that doesn't make them all hunting dogs... Some due to size or desire and some due to endurance which is the case with the bulldogs . Jmo

That's exactly what I'm talking about I want to get away from this and not worry about over heating as bad

one of my hunting buddys was line breeding rcd's one was a boxer an the other was a lab/ab  who would find run an catch all on there own sadly the lab/ab got in a nest of ground bees an died from it an the boxers were killed by one of the line breed pups that went crazy so that was the end of that line so all we got now is pits that run lose beside us walk hunting

What bloodlines have you owned?

Just last friday night we had a bay break just after turning the bulldogs to it. Had a young gyp full vest and collar run with the curs for about 30 minutes before we caught up to them.  Ended up catching a different hog with her about 20 minutes later. Speed, wind and athleticism is something that I require from my bulldogs. It was 87 degrees when we got in the trucks to head home at 3:30 am. The dogs are out there, you just have to know where to go to get them.

Scott are your bulldogs as fast or faster than your bay dogs why I ask I have seen bulldogs go with the bay dogs when they break but they were not as fast as they were and get left behind.  I got to see my pit flat left when a sow broke right after we turned the cds loose they got nearly there and she broke to our right down hill our two cds could not keep up. Only cought up when they hit the water and curs caught her.  The dog I hope to own will not get left behind he will be in the mix not 20 yards back

Will bull dogs run a track 6-8hrs and travel 8 miles to a hog? Are they fast enough to stop a Runnin hog in a thicket? Were all the hog hunters the past 100yrs using curs and hounds because they were too dumb to use bulldogs? The answer to all 3questions is no!! Run just a pack of bulldogs and see how many hogs you catch with no Cur or hound in the pack...it's been tried and tested for years and yet they always end up staying catch dogs, gotta ask yourself why... Ya they mite find a hog from time to time but so does my jack Russell..... Be proud of Ur bulldogs, I am very proud of mine... But don't try to make em out to b something their not ;) jmo

line breeding them??? Or just cross breeding dogs makin rcds?

RCDs are different from Finder/Holders. I am interested in breeding finder holders that will work here in my area.

I have spent the last year hunting, watching and evaluating A Dogo, Stag, StagxDogo,AB, and a straight catch Catahoula. I hunted these dogs together and alone to compare and contrast their styles and what they have to offer in a breeding program.

Stag x Dogo and Stag x Catahoula pups are on the ground now.

I picked up two more hair dogs this week. Deer hound x Wolf hound.

I want a dog that has wind, bottom, nose, eye, speed, hardness, and very clean holding style. 28" tall 85lbs with a neck long enough to keep a boars teeth off his body.

I have talked to Mr Mason and Ned Makem quite a bit and I am working on my own finder hold style dog for west Texas. The Dogo will be the base for me because they really are "finder holders" for all practical purposes and have some wolf hound and Dane in their background. Ned thinks that the Stag Dogo crosses are a very good idea and they may be the total package themselves.

These dogs will be for day time work, I still believe that quality Dogos can't be beat for night hunting and heavy brush and I will be breeding some of these as well.

The hairy dog is an important part of the puzzle, they offer quite a bit that can't be found elsewhere, real speed, very clean holders, and a different type of thought process for the hunt. Contrary to what some people think the Stag is very good in rough country and brush, not solid thickets, don't have much of that out here.

I hope to have these pups working when Ned comes back to the states, he is interested in how they work and I am looking for his input. I don't know of anyone who has more experiance with finder holders than Ned and I will look forward to hearing what he has to say about my crosses.

I have got a couple of other solid hunters to work with on this project and some outstanding dogs to work from, so it will be fun to see what we can come up with.

Thanks,
Paul T

Of course some have more speed than others. We have 3 gyps that will flat sure burn it up. They won't get left behind. 2 other gyps that will be started in the woods soon that show the same athleticism and speed. Of the 4 males we have, 2 have good speed, 2 not as much.

There are quality bulldogs out there that will do what your looking for. As with any breed...you just have to search until you find what you like.

My old dog (RIP)

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Two brothers with their sister in the middle

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Balistic

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Molly

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Elsie at approximately 6 months old

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And the 2 gyps that haven't been started in the woods yet.

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I never claimed the above. But, I know for a fact that bulldogs can be used to find/catch their own hogs and as running catchdogs. I aint in the business of making dogs out to be something their not. I don't believe the question was "can a bulldog out hunt a cur or hound". What bloodlines of bulldogs have you owned (or do you own) that has formulated your opinion that bulldogs don't have (or can't have) endurance?

The question was Scott are there Rcd breeders... Not even about bulldogs really but can u just take bulldogs and no other dogs in the woods and consistently catch hogs? Even when it requires a 8hr chase?  A Cur dog is a versatile hog dog, can b used to do it all, a bull dog really can't do it all and b exceptional at every aspect of hunting and b considered a true hog dog if he can't do it all in my opinion. Really good Lookin dogs by the way

Man scott those are some fine looking dogs maybe as good looking as a cd could ever be in my eyes.  My question is would you be comfortable running 1 to 3 down at a time for a couple hours at a time.  Knowing they can find them at the end will they have enough to hold a big one?  I am by all means not tring to discredit you just asking because in the end I hope to have this. 

Silverton why do you say there is a difference in a rcd and a finder holder?  Maybe my thought process is off but to me they are one in the same both on ground off leash and catch the hog and I'm not really saying one out but why not.  Me and you are striving for the same dog just going about it with different breeds my base is the ridgeback and pit.  Little shorter maybe a little lighter but basically the same maybe a little better in the thick but not quite as fast in the open

We "built" our line of curs from old timey "white" bulldog stock. Those straight bulldogs made damm fine close range wind,find,stop, and hold dogs all by themselves. Hogs or cattle. I keep one right now that will gather,bunch, and pen cattle as well as any one of my curs. Lots of leg and fairly decent lung. Running "catch when needed" dogs in the purist form in my opinion. Where I'm from, we don't go to the pasture to walk dogs on leads. ;)

Noelle, there is a boy in Florida that Oly was speaking of that will just take his bulldogs to the woods and catch hogs regularly. Now, that isn't the only way he hunts (he has curs as well), but he does take only bulldogs real frequently. Now I know there aren't a lot of folks out there that are doing it...but there are some albeit they are few and far between.

Personally, as I get older, I think I prefer the quitters when it comes to curs. I damn sure don't want to be chasing a single hog (or the dogs chasing him) around the woods for 8 hours. ;D

Appreciate the compliments on the dogs.


Let me preface this by saying that I don't routinely run my bulldogs loose. In fact it is a rare occasion when I would/do. That being said, I wouldn't have a problem doing it if I raise them to do it that way. Again, my opinion, there is a difference between natural wind and conditioning. All dogs need to be conditioned if they are going to be turned loose to hunt...no matter the breed. Since I don't utilize mine as running catchdogs, my opinion is strictly from what I've seen of mine in the woods on broken bays, or those rare occasions I previously mentioned.

Was line breeding boxers for rcd's.... The lab/ab mix was a dog from the pound that he got as a pup that truned out to be a pertty good dog he was crossed to a plott/walker/bluetick a few weeks before he died them pups are making good dogs

My mind is a learning tool Scott... Always glad to get more knowledge thanks ;)

Maybe its just style of Hunting Noelle???

I for sure wouldnt want my dogs chasing no hogs for 8 hrs and I like dogs that are short to medium range--- why try and catch a hog that is far away or running for the next state when they are plenty close enough???

I want a hog caught on the spot it is standing if possible--- I know thats IDEAL, LOL. 

This is a FINE thread, I am enjoying reading it a lot---- Thanks folks.

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We breed true rcds ......we walk hunt them ...nothing better than hearing a caught hog when they find it  ;D

I'm working on what silverton is referring to as a finder/holder. I'm using dane, pit, Campbell cur, pointer and hopefully some dogo. Looking to build a robust straight catch dog that can find a hog and hog most by themselves. Don't want them running a hog for hours. That's a hounds job. And to the folks saying pit can't do it as well as curs, u ain't seen the right dogs. I have a dog whose mother would run a hog for miles and catch it and hold it. She was a straight pit. I've included her in my breeding program. It will obviously take years to get what I want.

Most would consider my Cur dogs med range rcds, they have no bark... But these hogs out here wear nikes ;D no matter how rough the dogs are they are gonna roll on a big Barr or boar... Always been that way around here not by choice we run em 8hrs but gotta have dogs that'll do it if u wanna catch hogs most times

My AB is as fast as any dog I have. And he will run with my 4 wheeler full out for long periods of time just because he likes to. I just have to wait til hes old enough to get in the woods and see how he develops.

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Thats a 7 month pit. dad is on the second pic and mom is the female with her in the kennal. As you can see by the pup they came out real leggy and the first litter my Male and female put out all came out to be jam up catch dogs that have run on the ground and can easily keep up with the curs. They have all found a hog on their own from the parents to the first litter. First time they ever did that I thought they were fighting cause all I heard was a big fight and the only ones were the dad and mom in the woods, ran and got there and had a big boar caught.
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Interesting thread. It strikes me odd that the guys that are trying to breed for RCD's are trying to breed for the type of dog I am trying to breed AWAY from! I guess none of us are ever 100% satisfied with the dogs we have.

I know there aren't many Fla curs out in TX and you guys may not be that familiar with them, but its hard to find a true Fla cur that WON'T catch a hog when he gets to it. My Monkey dog has more bay than my old line of dogs and I am trying to breed more bay and less catch in my dogs. As I get older it takes me longer to get to the dogs/hog and I don't want a dog that is going to be hanging off a hogs ear 1/4 mile away from me and getting wrecked before I get there. Thats how ALL my old dogs used to be. Catch one hog and be out of commission for 4-6 weeks.

When My Dixie dog came along I started her on cattle (I managed a 500 pair cow/calf operation at the time) and she had plenty of stay, but not a lot of bite which was unusual for my dogs. I switched her to hogs and she still stands as the best find and bay dog I have ever had the pleasure of hunting with.  However, her littermate brother Rock, who I turned down big money for as a cow dog, was a lead in catch dog and in 10 years of hunting never ever barked at a hog. He was 100% catch and you better have a break stick or you weren't getting him off the hog.


Most of the Fla curs are medium range, medium nosed dogs. They are not going to leave the tailgate and go a mile to find a hog, but if you put them where there are hogs, they will shine.  I wish I could send a train load of good Fla curs to you guys wanting RCD's and see what you thought of them. I bet they would fit the bill!


I still cannot hunt 3 dogs on the ground now or its a caught hog or wrecked dogs...or both. Monkey and Spur will bay a big hog together, but add a third dog and its usually a  caught hog.  I could not hunt Red and JJ together without them catching, nor could I hunt any dog with Dixie without her catching. All of my older dogs were 1-2 barks then caught hog. Thats why I am trying to cross with Monkey to get more bay.

And that may not be working. cward has a Monkey x JJ pup and last time I talked to him he said the pup was catching about everything he found and they had used him as a lead in catchdog with success. And this was an 11 month old Fla cur! My two pups from this litter are not as catchy, but I have been careful and NOT let them catch yet. There are a couple other guys that have pups from this last litter and they all seem like they are going to have more catch than bay......

Example: Dixie and an 8 month old female Fla cur.... and a soon to be CAUGHT HOG!! ;D
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Sign me up for some FL curs  ;D.

This is just my take on the terms.

It seams that RCD's are most often run with a pack and the pack is finding and helping to catch, the RCD is the anchor. Not much selection for holding style. Rough curs and cur bully crosses and straight bull dogs.

Finder Holders are hunted 1 or two at a time and are finding stopping and holding on their own. Clean holding style is needed and these dogs seam to need some hairy dog, Dane, grey hound, ect... in them. The size is taller in most cases which allows for more efficient holding with little to no damage to the dog.

The more I thought about it I figured this would be your answer.  Have another question I see what your saying about long neck.  Guess I am shooting for a finder holder and a rcd depending on the day and property.

The beauty of the Finder Holder is that it can be used as a RCD with great effectiveness.

The long neck is a very important thing, in conjunction with the height, to allow the dog to always keep his feet on the ground while holding a big tall boar that is throwing his head upward. This allows the dog to work the hog and keeps him from being just dead weight that the boar can cut to ribbons while tossing the dog around because he can't keep his feet on the ground. The long neck also allows the dog to hold a toothy boar in a way that doesn't let the boars teeth get behind his elbow when the dog is holding out in front.

28" at the shoulder is my goal with a neck long enough to wear at least a 6" collar. This build allows the dog to to work in only a breast plate or collar and that lets the dog run faster, move better while holding and stay cooler.

Let them go I have a female that looks a lot like yours but solid red she is the dog on the far right in the finally done with kennels post.  Silverton that is more dog than I'm shooting for but sure see the advantage in it you may change my mind yet but that being said we do not have the open fields like you run so idk got to think on it some more because occasionally they will be asked to run in thicker junk   

All of us who breed dogs have got to produce dogs that will be the most effective in the country we hunt and the style we use. That's why there is no perfect type of dog or style and it is a foolish to argue any different. The goal should be to create a dog that fits "you" perfectly. Its always good to have folks to talk things out with when you are planning breeding's and weighing pros and cons.

 

Man times 10 on talking

Silverton, I tried sending u a pm but for some reason it won't go threw if u can give me a call I've been lookin for someone who runs RCD and finder holder and I have some question if u have the time and its not to much my number is 817 823-8939 thanks

I agree. I've hunted many nights with just a bulldog on the ground & produced a lot of swine. They would wind, trail & catch their own hogs better then a lot of curs I have seen people use.

I understand what yall  are saying but the words you use are jacked.  Strike, Bay, RCD, and Catch.  Finder, Holder?   You Texas boys are spoiled with that dry land and huge fourwheeling properties.  Yeah we have those down here but the magority of us don't hunt them unless we get some special invite.  Fl curs have changed.  Used to be a "do it all" dog now guys are ruining the lines cause all the newbies.  No experience, accidental breeding, dog peddl'n.  Used to be you could have good dogs given to you.   Now the market is flooded with newbies offering up biig bucks for the wrong dogs.  Plenty of capable dogs are ruined due to lazy dogmen.  They expect the dog to just do it.  It takes training.  Trial and error, experience and learning from mentors.  I have my own forum for educational purposes and trying to keep the young guys on the right track but this whole entitlement generation don't want to work for it.  For a dog to reach it's potential, you must have a plan.  You got to want it!  Cull hard and don't sell your chiteaters!  New to this site.  Don't want to sound pessimistic but it don't take a perfect dog to produce hogs.  Many breeds will do it.  Certain dogs will serve you best on different terrain.  I have had plenty of young buck come out with their "finished dogs at 1 year old.  Couldn't catch a hobbled hog.  But they know everything and never shut the heck up.  Texting while their hunting and showing off pictures of hogs they didn't catch.  Once you find you a pack that works for where you hunt, you have to step back and think to yourself........self......I need to protect these dogs so I can have a decent line.   No.... everyone wants Now Now Now.  If you don't want your dogs to get beat up don't hunt hogs with dogs.  It happens!  Get you some bay dogs that will run you across the county with your atv and shoot.  If you want to have HOGDOGS.  One month ago I lost my bad a** catch dog, got my lead dog stitched, lost a puppy to severed achilles and my RCD got 150 stitches.  All in a matter of minutes.  The Boar hog beat me and my pack.  The challenge is to get back ASAP an d figure that badboy out.   For months before that we had nothing but minor flesh wounds here and there.  It takes time and experience.  You know where to get the best dogs.  Florida!  Man my fingers are tired and I'm up way too late!  All Do respect to everybody who don't fall into my criticism

those are small details....as long as we understand each other...is what really matters...