EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I was ask for some of my thoughts on the horse slaughter in the united states from are local paper the report went up Saturday. They are having emails come in from Peta.
So I need your help  they have a fourm get a member ship its free and post some of yall's thoughts to show we are more powerful than Peta and see if we can't make it bigger than it is! Right now the story is in our favor but if peta out does us the story will be in there favor.
Here's the link. http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cleveland/ I hope that worked if not Matt. Or Circle C will you get it up for me. Thanks

do what u wish, but I would try to keep peta away from me and hog hunting. In otherwords handle them like a rattlesnake! Dont underestimate their power.

No sir I don't hide nothing I don't do nothing wrong. I support yall who fight for are rights. The one who runs and hides looks guilty.

ric.o what do you think this country would be like if everyone felt as you do.The Birtish,the communist,and the alcida are all or where very powerful people.But some how the working class of people in this country did and are now takeing care of those problems.So stick your head in the sand and hope they pass you by.But dont stand up and yell we did it when it is all over.JMO

Are you saying that you would rather hang a man out to dry than stand up and fight beside him. That's a whole bunch of bull #2 right there.

If there was a fight I would be there. Im not aware of any current problems with peta. Im just saying dont put it in their faces. Handle them like a rattlesnake. Dont go poking them with a stick. Would u want peta walking thru your dog pens?

They can come thru my pens and look my place any time they want to.I have nothing to hide from anybody.But they had better have all their ducks in a row before they do.

What harm would come to me if Peta walked through my pens? Now I may be shooting a little off here, but last time I checked peta is just an organization. They are not law makers or law enforcers. They just like to make a bunch of suggestions and keep the pot stirred.

Sir I assure you that peta would have no problems poking you. As far as the rattlesnake, shoot em in the head before they bite you.

good luck with all that. do as u wish. in my experience u go looking for a fight ,good chance u will find one. enough sd.

There's a lot of problems with PETA.  Ask anybody that produces chickens, eggs, runs a feedlot or rodeo's just to name a few. Horse slaughter is only one thing they've managed to screw up.  Any time they win any kind of victory their following increases along with their income which is what they're really after anyway.  More money=more of their compaigns=more membership=more money and trouble for those that enjoy the outdoors or make their living from agriculture.  PETA and HSUS may not make or enforce laws but they certainly buy legislators, and influence local animal control and humane societies and that's why they are dangerous.

Well said.  This aint a new fight. It don't matter if you own a hamster in a cage or operating a feed lot or hog doggin. You gotta fight peta and every other tree huggin communist in the world.

I kinda agree with ric I would not and do not show it in their face I hog hunt. With that being said I sure stand up for tdha and lswda and do and would contribute what I can to hunting causes.  I don't have nothing to hide but sure don't want peta or for that fact many others coming around my house I guess you could call me a loner of sorts. I will try and get on there and post though if I can with my phone 

It was a great article Chance.  I don't know how to change people perception of the world and that is what you have to do to get through to these people.  Generations of people that were raised farther and farther from reality and now outnumber those of us that were raised closely connected to nature livestock a 100 to 1.  They just watch the TV and read the paper and form their opinion from some slanted article or news clip.  If peta people are complaining then I can tell you that you probably said something that I agree with and nothing short of an act from God is going to change their or my opinion.

I think there's time's when you pick your battles... PETA is loaded with money. Given to them by tree humping hippy's. I don't think its about standing up for your rights. As much as how much money are you gonna spend on lawyer fee's.  YOU can rally all you want,but when it comes to money to help pay lawyer fee's. All your gonna hear is frogs and crickets ...

Thats a good article and very true. We have two horses now we dont know what to do with. One is going blind and cant be ridden safely, and the other is old and in bad health. I figue I have three choices:

#1- Do nothing and their health will continue to worsen and they will continue to suffer.

#2-Pay a vet $100 apiece to put them down, and a backhoe man $100 to dig a hole.

#3- Lead them to the burn pile and shoot them in the head, taking a chance on getting in trouble for cruelty to animals and not dispossing of the carcass properly.


Here is what would happen if the horse slaughter plants were open:

I would haul them to the sale barn and get a check for $500. Then I would carry my wife out to eat (helping the local economy) She would buy school clothes for the kids(helping the local economy) and so on.

This is not looking for a fight. We need knowledgable people to stand up and do something about this particular matter. There are tons of people around here that are having to feed an old useless horse cause they can't even give it away. Most of them are in bad need of money but still have to buy feed and hay for the horse. And if PETA can find something wrong with your dog yard, go ahead and fix it. If they came over to my place they'd find some mighty happy and extremely healthy dogs.

Look boys and girls this is still America we we have the right of freedom of speach to have firearms and the other freedoms that our forfathers faught and died for. You can still voice your ideas. Tha is what I faught for.

Very good article Chance. Hope i sheds some light on the problem... a couple of weeks ago I was on my way to hunt with Mike and Bryant and had to stop on old houston rd. after almost hitting a horse. He was skinny as heck and had nothing at all on and his feet looked horrible. I tied him to a tree with mule tape and called mongomery county pd.  I figured this had just been turned loose or broke out to find food or water. I see skinny horses all over my neck of the woods and it make me and my family sick. my daughter barrel raced for a few years and we have a love for all horses. good work Chance

 I have been sayin for years that we need to bring horse slaughter back!  :)

I hope PETA dont read this. They will not go away because you choose to ignore them.

And I guess y'all dont think Peta had any input in the TX puppy mill law? They are already working on you and they are out of sight doing it.

KInda reminded of that ostrich with his head in the sand here.

Very good article Chance and the problem is getting worse. I was told that some of the Thoroughbred world was starting to get involved in trying to bringing the slaughter plant back. It is ashame that most of our country is run by people who don't live in the "real world"  I often wondered  that if the people who have to deal with the problem took pics and videos to show the public, who has no idea, what a horse who was "saved from slaughter" looks like being starved to death in someone back yard or the one that are turned loose would it make a difference. They are having that problem even here in florida with loose horses. I am not for sure why people close their eyes to the real facts of life.

Not being able to slaughter horses has absolutely "killed" the horse market.   There are so many horses you can't even give one away, much less get what the horse is really worth.  Try finding any hay to feed one this year... good luck.  We sell hay and there are a lot of people that cant wait to get rid them.  Its just gotten to expensive to have them.  Rescue centers are full and cant feed them either.

SOOO... It comes down to the issue just like what PETA wants to do with handling wild hogs... If they think its such a great idea to have "no hog left behind" (put them in pens to stop destruction!!) and ban horse slaughter...  LET THEM RAISE THE MONEY TO FEED THEM!!  Now thats whats up!

Good article chance, and I agree 100%. Horses used to be big business even here the mtns.  We have a big sale barn up here, and it got so bad that you had to lock your trailer while you were inside, cause it would be full of horses when you came out.
You can't even give a good horse away, that used to would bring $1,500 to $2,000.
I cant see nothing but good that would come out of opening them back up, it would greatly boost the economy, and keep horses from suffering.
PETA and hsus don't love animals, they just hate people.

http://humanewatch.org/

Check these people out, not many people have heard of them, but they are doing their best to put hsus and PETA out of buisness. They seem to have a little common sense.
I dont know where they stand with the slaughter houses, but might be worth checking out.

If you don't fire them up and show them you mean business then all you are doing is giving them the power and thats where this country is going straight to hell. 

Good article Chance, I see it everyday shoeing horses. People aren't takeing care of them like they used to. Can't afford to take care of them like needed and got nowhere to go with them.

Way to go, Chance, now I am stirring the pot over there. Grr...

Cheers
M

As far as animal rights activists go and what harm can come to you, I have two words for ya....Floyd Boudreaux.

The only reason Peta would have to walk through your pens is to use you in a smear campaign. They are animal rights extremists just like hsus. They do not typically rescue animals, and of the few they did rescue last year, something like 95% of them were euthanized. Peta's sole purpose is to prevent you from being able to have pets, eat meat, wear animal textiles (wool or fur whether the animal died for you to wear it or not), and to prevent animals from being used and exploited by people (do you ride horses or get cured from a drug that was tested on an animal?).

Peta and hsus are wealthy lobbying groups and domestic terrorist organizations. How they continue to operate with the track records they have is beyond me. They have good advertising and a sympathetic base. The spca in my book is not too far behind them.

Cheers
M

America has some jacked up laws and PETA has money. Laws can be twisted and PETA has people on payroll from donations in the MILLIONS. Go ahead and let them in your yard.....LMAO

Thanks for all that post I knew what was going to happen if we did not. I have a interview with Fox 26 tomorrow at 4. Not sure if it will air but they are bringing  cameras. Thanks so much Mandi you have a way with words. Way better than Chris cause he would just go tell them to get !!!! Lol

We will see how it goes the story was going to be done know matter what all I can do is try to guide it in the right direction.

For the ones that say stay away I hold nothing  against you.
But please don't  sit around and wait tell the fight comes to you cause that is when they are prepared and you are not.

well i tell you one damn thing ! i f more people dont get a backbone and stand up against these kinds of people , we aint gonna be free much longer ! just look ... we're not even as free as we were 10 years ago .

   and if peta is reading this , my address is 970 nelson school rd . paris , tn . if you come on my place you had better be damned respectfull or i will beat the livin hell out of you .



 now , i feel better .

that's right Bobby...peta is working 24-7 on anything that is against us. They push for small ordinance, laws etc. that make it hard for us to get a hunting liscence, make it haed to get rid of horse, are involved in tougher trespassing laws etc. etc... These crazy folks are dangerous. They know to divide and conquer as well as to take baby steps but they are always making progress against us. We will wake up one day and will be wondering what happened... ??? :o

over time those baby steps will add up.

We need to be careful on what type of pics we post...Peta really loves the dummies that post certain type of pics. >:D

Would you still fight and be labeled a criminial if what you can legally do now is later made illegal by the easily swayed and media controlled masses? Nothing worse then when a government passes a riduculous law due to lobbying and money that suddenly turns good regular decent citizens into being labeled criminals just for doing the same things they have for generations.

Breed specific legislation, mandatory spay/nueter laws, kennel permits, laws on how you can or can't kennel or transport dogs and livestock, it's never gonna end with these folks.  They are either so far removed from reality or so eaten up with the desire for profit that they will keep picking at agriculture and hunting until they have the whole country eating vegan and wearing hemp clothes. 

I got a little orange note card in the mail from ukc about all that crap i personally think its b.s. but i too have nothing to hide either but i still am against the fact that they wanna charge a yearly fee to those who own a breeding kennel ... last i checked this is america an were free they are just pissed cause they can't find a way to tax puppies an grown dogs its all about the dollar .... im one of the few that says texas needs to just be our own country again an be neutral an stay outta all the b.s.