EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

This is Tweety, her daughter Brandy and two males pups that I picked up yesterday that are Tweety's grandsons. One looks like Tweety and the other looks like their grandsire, Winchester. Long story short, Winchester doesn't have long to live. I was contacted last week by the fella who now owns him. After many, many phone calls we've found that all the Winchester/Tweety pups have made awesome dogs. Good enough to have his semen pulled and stored to get this cross again. He probably won't make it to her next heat cycle.

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All the Winchester/Tweety pups came out looking exactly like her. I also met the fella that has one of the male pups... they look like twins and they call him Obama. ;D

It will be fun to see how these pups grow and hunt in the next year or so and then cross them all back and forth and see if we can "clone" some black dogs  ;D

Matt

how did you get those pups to pose perfectly like that? lol good lookin dogs

awesome lookin dogs and pups

What breed dogs are those?  ;D

Ha! Im glad yall finaly got all that sorted out!

That Winnie pup looks alot like him if his ears were about 4 inches longer! Winchester was the only pup from that litter that had realy LONG ears when they were little, he finaly grew into them, thank Goodness! Winnie also had a  big top knot as a pup, and we were trying figure out whee taht had come from cause neither Pistol or Bell looked that way. several of that litter were many different colors of brindle with black masks, Remington was extremely good looking, but did not have nothing on Winnie in the woods.
One day I will have to sit and look through my draw of old photo and see if I can find pics of all those relatives. I know I got a few pics of Pistol somewheres.

tweety is catahoula
Brandy is her daughter 1/2 cat 1/2 east texas cur
the pups are 7/8 cur 1/8 plott

Yall have done a good job of piecing all that together.....that is a rewarding part of this sport....when you have a goal of tracking down a bloodline and it all comes together....Well done!

Yeah, good lookin stock Mike! How did Tweety and Winchester hunt?

That's very cool how you were able to track that bloodline down.  I can see how that would be a very rewarding endeavour.

Marshall, Tweety is the black dog on the left.  She hunts VERY hard, what some would call med-long range but mainly just hussels and makes BIG clover leaf patterns when you hunt.  I have never seen the dog get tired.  We started hunting with her last spring and all through the summer and fall winter and she just has a lot of go to her.  I have never hunted with the Winchester dog but he is said to hunt very good.  The pups out of the two looked just like their momma and hunt just like their momma, that is Brandy there on the right.  The man that owns the Brandy dog bred her on purpose to a big male 3/4 cur 1/4 plott that was out of some good dogs.  The pups are the product of that cross.  I got a few females out of the same litter as the pups pictured here.  Our hope is to determine the pups out of the litter that shine and breed the females to their uncle "obama" and maybe breed one of the males back to the Tweety and see if we can keep producing these big black dogs that hunt really well and make good strike dogs.  The man that bred the pups kept one and four of us bought up the rest of the litter to see if they have what it takes.  As much as I hate pups I sure like to watch them grow and learn and become dogs.  I don't think hunting would be as much fun if you couldn't watch a young dog progress....

Matt

Those are sum nice looking dogs there. Lotta leg and i am a sucker for them black dogs ;)

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Marshall, we traced the Winchester dog back to the Bennett lines, which you know of. I hear he is long range with a helluva nose on him. Tweety is what I consider a medium range dog that loops and burns the woods up. His nose and her drive made some outstanding pups... hopefully we can get one more time.

Krystal, what is the back ground on Pistol? We have it on Belle... is he from the same lines?

Mr.Mason, do you know where the other littermate to Brandy and Obama is... i'd like to speak with the owner if you could pm me their info? I think he was the biggest dog out of the bunch? Thanks.

Mike, Pistol was bred by Danny Hill of Needville and he made the cross multiple times because everybody wanted Ben & Elly pups.  Our Sherry is also out of Elly and a different Male, so Sherry and Pistol are half brother and sister. Pistol is still around I just don't own him anymore, but he was the very last litter of that cross, Ben just got too old and Danny was killed in a car wreck about 10 years ago. However that could be traced further back if yall got the need to know. Pistol would hunt Medium and very independent, then when he hit a track he would stay with it for miles.

Winchester had many many half brothers and sisters that made Good dogs. One of my favorites is Lemon that is still going in South Texas. Some of yall may have known a gyp I had for awhile named Spice and another named Monkey, those were all out of Bell too. If yall have 6 generations of background yall can have registration made up in UKC or ARF and start breed. One of the oldest living pups from Bell is named Huey and still hunting in LA I heard this morning from Mr. Mason. The Bellpusp just go too far for my personal liking, as did Pistol, but Pistol made me planty of proud as a top notch bay pen dog too.

Krystal,

  Did you happen to find out if the cowboy still has the dog you mentioned? I think it would be a littermate to Obama and Brandy.

Not yet I have not been back into MG to talk to his wife, but will go into town on Thursday

Mike,
I had a sister of Pistol, Anne, who was a good dog.

I'll get the # of the man in LA. that has the bigger brother.
Keep reminding me or Saturday I'll call and get it.

Krystal does Jon still have Ruby, Tweety's sister?  I know she is colored different but is she built like her sister?

Matt

Yeah he still has her and she has lepoard coloring but real dark/rust colred trim, I don't think you could tell they were sisters by looking at them, Ruby is good sized but not as tall as Tweety. She is wider in the chest and her head is not as long nor are her ears. About the only way you would know they were realted is if you put them on the ground together and watched them cover the ground. Ruby is also alot rougher than Tweety, once she gets  ahold you dern near have to break her off.
IMO Tweety very much reproduced herself very strong in that litter, as the pups could run and stay with her at about 8 months of age.

then are some fine looking dog. is tweety registered? were did she come from?

From what I understand, Tweety was from reg. dogs but was never registered. I think she was from the LaGrange area?

I AM THE OWNER OF WINCHESTER YES VERY GOOD DOG WEN HES ON THE GROUND U DONT SEE HIM ALL HUNT IN HIM WEN HE BARKES GET READY TO TIE SOME PORK I HAVE 10 PUPS OUT OF HIM

Welcome to the boards Travis.

Glad to see you over here Mr. Thibadeaux, it was good to meet you on Sunday.

Matt

As a side note, the pups that we got from Ben are now 10 weeks old and I took them down to my pen on Monday and I have some pet hogs in there around 80=90 lbs and they went to hammering.  Mike took his two males to the pen yesterday and they did the same thing.  You have any males over there out of Winchester you want to sell let me know, they ought to cross good over these pups in a year or two.  I really want to put that Obama dog over these pups and cross uncle to neice.  What femaled are the 10 pups out of?
Matt

I WAS ON THE BOARD FOR AWHILE BUT AS YALL MIGHT NO THE WOMEN ALWAYS HAVE A HAND IN IT AN DIDNT NO THE PASS WORD I FIXED THAT I HAVE 2 MALES OUT OF THE LITTER I BELEAVE THE HOLE LITTER WILL STAY WITH ME. BUT I CAN MAKE THE OBAMA THING HAPPEN

Good deal, thanks man.

Matt

Travis,
Good to see you on line.  Glad the dogs are working for you and sorry you lost one.  Does your hunting buddy still have the black younger dog?

YES SIR HE DOES OBAMA HIS NAME

I TOULD HIM THE OTHER DAY I WOULD BUY HIM IF HE WANTED TO GET RID OF HIM

I hunted with winchester he was a great dog he cast like a hound but was sielnt like a cur big dog I got him to breed a gyp before he died he's got 9 puppies I'm going to get one If travis don't change his mind but my wife saved one of them so I think he owes her one but thier would have been a couple of things he needed to change he needed speed and alittle more grit but when you got one that strikes like him then  I guess don't complain but cross him with the right gyp to try to do that  and I think he made a good cross before he died he died of cancer but hunted till a weak before he died    by the way does any one no if curtis binnent got any of the lewis woodruf blood the man had black dogs and had the best I ever seen I still carry the blood of lewis HR dog and danny stanfield dogs out of coldspring curtis hunted with lewis thanks

Chance, these pups should have a little of everything... nose, speed and grit. I have access to all of them. If they turn out we'll have to make the cross back over to Travis's pups one day.

Yes mike I think his blood is real good or I would not want one of the puppies he has know. I am glad you got some so the line can keep going I like line breeding dogs but travis said bell came off wee man winfrey porch and Tom wenfrey has really good dogs and knows how to breed them.I know that whole line of dogs.

Chance,

    In about a year I will be wanting to breed my Winchester x Tweety daughter. With you having been around Winchester and the bitch that he was bred to, I am curious as to which direction you would go with that particular cross.  It will likely be a onetime cross, as I don't intend to make a brood bitch out of her.

 

I THOUGHT MATT HAD THE ONLY FEMALE OUT OF THAT LITTER SHE ONLY HAD 4 PUPS

Travis,

    I own Brandy, the only Winchester/Tweety daughter.  Matt owned Tweety, and sold her to Mike last year.
I also have a Brandy daughter, that is a sister to your male pup. When I bought Brandy the agreement was that her previous owner gets pick of a female pup when she is bred.  I only plan to make one breeding, which, if plans go right will be in about a year. I will then spay her.

Ain't that animal abuse??? ;D ;D ;D ;D O0

GOT YALL MIXED UP WITH U AN MATT SORRY BOUT THAT

Chris = eats more than he should

Matt = does not eat enough

That should help with any future confusion ;D

LONG AS THAT COME FROM CIRCLE C HAHA

I think Travis has the same problem I do, hollow leg hahaha

Eat all I can, it just won't stick  ;D

Matt

Circle C  I do not like breeding half bother to half sister it does not always turn out I would either find a real good out cross or if bell was out of winfery dogs tom winfery might could tell you what dogs she's out of and cross back with something of his he's got some good ones but if you go with an out cross get some speed then keep a puppy and male or gyp and cross that later with  one of travis's pups out of winchester and you will have a good line breed dog I bet you would most diffently be satisfied thats just my  thoughts

:O)  Those Brandy pups are

(our gyp)  Ruby Sue
(Matt's)    June
(Ben's dog)  Junior


and...... I don't know Travis, Mike's or Clay's names.... Could someone fill me in?

Cheers
M

CIRCLE C I EAT EVERY THIRTY MIN UR RIGHT IT WONT STICK

Mine does not have a name yet

Ruby, Striker and Hunter in mid April 2009
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Updated photos - late September 2009
Striker
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Hunter
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Ruby
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Mike, here are some pics from Saturday that you might want to save.

Tiger
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Cheyanne
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Tweety
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Awesome pics, that fancy camera sure does take some good ones... thanks!

I like the look of Tiger and it's great to see them pups coming along good

Real good pics....L like that bunch of dogs.

Really good pics, for what it is worth here are there other siblings from around early July....
June
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Bug
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Chance, what ever happen to the pups you had out of Winchester?  I am trying to find out how many of that bloodline turned into dogs.  Matt, what ever happened to the two pups you had?

Good looking dogs

The Black and white one was going to findahog up near Athens I believe and the brindle pup was derricks and the boy he use toying with ended up with her.

Real nice lookin dogs and pups!!!! Looks like that Tweety dog is the Real Deal with some good blood!!!!  ;D

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This pic is my gyp, Molly, that is a grandaughter of Winchester and tweety is that correct????

I wish you could have seen her when she got hit that day.  It is an absolute miracle she is alive.  She is a tough girl.

And she is out of brandy? And what male?

She shows no sign at all of Bein hit... No limp no soreness... Nothing...  Just Lookin at her and not knowing you wouldn't b able to tell at all... Must be pretty tough... Had her a long time and she is still kinda shy tho and I've never raised a hand to her... No doubt she will hunt a mile deep and she's fairly quick, Just kinda stopped huntin her cuz she got really dependent on my bird dog and she use to be very independent... Not sure what I'm gonna do just yet, never bred her but got a guy wantin to line breed her but idk

Has much good things i hear about that Tweety dog it would be nice to try that line over here in north west louisiana.

sure wish we could find the people that actually bred Tweety! I want to know how much Catahoula she really has in her, and what bloodline that CATAHOULA came from.

ANYBODY HERE KNOW OF ANY DOG BREEDERS IN LA GRANGE Texas?