EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

i been reading alot of post about dogs with bottom and was just wondering how long anyone has seen a dog stick with a hog, i know we went to tennessee hunting one time and 2 old dogs stuck with one seven hours and stayed in the same thicket and finally bayed a 130lb sow, it really wasnt worth it but thats what it was, and now the garmins are out we bayed a hog at the truck friday and it broke and when we caught the dogs i looked to see the distance traveled and it was 7.94 mile, but i know everyone is different on what they call good dogs and what is considered a long way for a dog to actually run a hog id just like to hear everyones experiences with long races and such

 I wish I knew how far my dogs would go. We always try to cut them off before they get on someone elses property. But there have been a few times that we had to make a bunch of phone calls and go get them. I think the furtherest so far was a little over five miles. Had the pig killed when we got there. I guess that he  got tired of chasing it so he eliminated it.  :D

my best friends got a jagd thats a litter mate to my male in hes at a training camp in the jagd traviled 19.miles with 2 caught hogs after catching the first hog the jagd learned how to role out he got a little cut up but the person thats training him asked to buy him$ but hes not selling but hes coming to look at my pups the mother i own an shes got bottom until she finds somthing to kill! :)

The longest race i've been on was 14 hours. We jumped at 6 in the morning and called the two dogs off at 8 that evening... no hog. :-\ They were another fella's dogs several years back.

Our dogs have been on several races that went over 8 miles, clocked on the garmin.

Way back before we had Garmins, back when we first got tracking collars that we could afford, I hunted in TN with one of my closest friends for hog and bear, back then we were eat up with bear hunting, thought that was the big thing. Back then bear weren't very plentiful in eastern TN and for that matter neither were the hogs. We would set out leading dogs at daylight and make a tour of whatever territory we thought we might find a track in. This might be an all day ordeal or we might get lucky and find a track that they could run before it was too late in the day. We would turn loose on it and most of the time they would leave out if the track was hot enough or if not, they would trail it until they finally jumped it. We might be in hearing but quite a bit of the time we weren't. We didn't have radios for a long time, so we just headed out in the direction they went. My buddy Cletis had a couple of Plotts back then that had no quit in them, I hated to turn them loose actually, for sure hated to on a cold track, because I knew what was in store for us.....long hours of trying to beep them and get a line on where they were. They would run a hog or bear until it finally gave out or swam the river or the lake. I've been right there when they ran a hog for hours and hours, and these dogs weren't slow at all, in fact they were very fast, but the hogs back then knew to run, those that didn't were dead. Cletis and I have spent many a night driving from you 'beeping' point to another trying to locate them. Most of the time they would be picked up by another hunter the next day, mlies from where the race started,....sometimes still running the hog or bear. Oh the miles we've walked following those dogs and later on trying to get a faint beep on them, only to finally give it up at 2 or 3 AM and go to his house for a little sleep. That broke me from wanting a dog with a lot of 'bottom'....it's nice to talk about and maybe even brag about a little, but most folks nowadays have a different idea of what we called heart or staying power. My dogs now will stay with a hog all day if they can see it, but if it gets way out in front of them or the track gets too faint, they'll give it up and come right back their backtrack to where the race started.....and I REALLY like that about them....they have just as much heart as any dog, but they know when to quit and come on back,.....so we can find another one. ;)

I will give my opinion i see that alot on here too bout dog havn lots of bottom the way i see it if a dog or dogs cant stop a hog withn a mile or two after it has been bayed and broke them dogs dont have enough grit in them to stop that hog and are just chasn behind them waitn for the hog to stop in a thicket or sumthg for them too bay it thats why them dogs are going 3,4,5,6,7,8,9, miles and i say that because a friend of mine had a dog like that and he would just leave that dog in the woods sumtimes would get tierd of waitn on it that was b4 we had garmin and trust me i didnt hunt with him much thats my opinion every body has thier own likings and methods of hunting wut do yall thk

I'd like to invite anyone with these "stop" dogs to come hunt with us. ;)

Well gritty,...I see it this way,....if a hog doesn't want to stop, it's not going to....period. Now there's a bit of difference in dogs running a hog that has been bayed and broke on them and running one that lit out before they got close to it, which is what happens when you hunt with hounds like we do most of the time. My dogs are silent and I hunt them right along with my buddy's hounds which are open on track and it hasn't had one bit of effect on whether they open or not. Most of the places that I hunt, and for dang sure where we hunt in south GA, it's as thick as it can get,...a hog can run in this stuff and stay in front of your dogs just about as long as it wants to, therefore if a dog can't get close enough to this hog to touch it, why should it stop unless it's tired or just decides to stop and fight? Makes little difference if a dog has a ton of grit or little of it....if they can't catch up to the hog there's little they can do but chase it until it decides to stop or gets in a thick enough place that it can't make progress and they catch up to it before it gets too far in this stuff. There's a big difference in running a hog in thinner cover and in this tanglement that grows in the SE where I hunt. This is my observation after doing this for a long time, yours may be different.

I'm with you Mike,....if anyone offers let me know, I may come out to TX just to see that.

your going to have races even with the roughest dogs  i know i got a rough pack

I am with you Mike !

I haven't had dogs for that long, but the longest race my mutts have been on ended up in the next town, literally. Ok, the next town is about 3 miles.  ;D They had the biggest, fattest sow I have caught bayed in a creek when I finally got there. That hunt made me proud of my dogs, it was about the fifth trip to the woods for my LJ pup when I started him and he was there every step. My red dog I had been hunting for about 3 mo at the time. Good memories.

I hope I never have a 14 hour race, that sounds like an awful long night.  My longest has been six hours, ended up crossing the Navasota river twice by boat, and running the hog into a hog trap on a neighboring property.  The farmer heard her barking and came and loaded her up, killed the hog and called me. 

rough dogs can't stop a hog they can't catch up to. even worse in the summer when the weeds are high and thick. That is why I like hunting best the day after deer season untill mid April. The weeds are down and the dogs won't over heat as bad.

I used to like a dog that would stick all day on a hog if needed but in todays world this type of dog will keep you in trouble...or at least it would get me to start worrying when I dropped the tailgate...

thanks mike i appreciate da invite maybe next year when that month long hunt in da refuge goes on i can make it that way got a friend named danny from that way . not tryn 2 get nothn stird up i know everyone hunts diff especially in diff terrian

rueben i believe that goes for "any type of dog " of course if hog dont get stopped it aint gona be caught

Longest race Franklinton, la across the tangipohoah river twice. 31 miles and caught a 400# russian last spring with danny sanders plotts. it was worth it in the end. but I would much rather catch em up and find a hog that will stop on a normal basis. or several hogs by the time u chase one for 16 hours.

If a big hog decided he wants to go Yonder he is gonna go Yonder it don't make no difference how bad of a stop dog you got . I have had some of the ruffest dogs a man can have and still some didn't get stopped and I got dogs cut to hell and back and some dead,

As far as stick are bottom goes this might surprise some of you I knwo it did me but we got on a group of big big hogs one time they scattered and I didn't have nuff collars for all my dogs never needed a collar on my lacy gyp never went more than three four hundred yards but not this day she was gone by her self and stuck on the hog till the next morning still baying the hog when I got the call from the land owner that my dog was down in the creek bottom in a big thicket and had been baying barking all nite long .  Went to go get her and sure nuff was still in the same spot the landowner said and baying the hog .  That was over 24 hrs later and this is a Lacy !  Since that day she has wore a collar and if not I would have lost her many more times.

We have got some big hogs around here that we have never got stopped .

I get a kick out of the peple thinking along the lines of a perfect scenario with with gritty dogs they will just reach out and tag that hog and make hih stop, well if grss, weeds, brush and trees is between your dog and the hog and the dog he can be holding onto the hog to "make him stop"

BOTTOM is refferring to the hog that got 10-20 ft and then 40ft and then sixty ft of junk brush, weeds, trees and barriers blocking SIGHT of the dogs, The dog can't stop what he cant see, or touch, and a smart hog will GO like lightening while a good dog with bottom works his butt off having to use his nose back and fourth to find that hog again and while this is going on don't you think that hog is putting a whole lot of distance between himself and that dog? When many dogs will give up and loose this hog or take off and find another in the heavy populated areas the DOG WITH BOTTOM WILL STAY on tryworking that hog and this may go several times until that hog finally gives up and it may take several miles and hours tp accomplish.

I am here to admit my dogs don't have that kid of BOTTOM, I don't want it, and most places I hunt I can't afford to have it in my dogs.

Its very funny to hear all these people talk about Bottom in dogs when the talk about the dogs were able to RUN for a mile and fast speed and not overheat sorry thats stamina, Or dogs that stayed bayed for six hours while they had to get permission to get to dogs, not the same thing if a dog is looking at something either, prey drive will cause a dog to do that

- Bottom COMES FROM DETERMINATION and SKILLS combined in a dog thats got a goal. its inherited not trained, ;)

I am here to admit my dogs don't have that kid of BOTTOM, I don't want it, and most places I hunt I can't afford to have it in my dogs.

Uglydog that is what got me my first T ticket in my life.  I know its what everybody wants but am having big time hell trying to figure out how to fix this with out ruining my dogs right now.  The land is just getting shorter for me .

I call it a dog with stick but most call it bottom. dogs that don't have the bottom need the track to be hot or they need to see the hog on a regular basis. If the going is rough these dogs give it up. If the hog gets in a thick briar patch the dogs that lack bottom will give it up and look elsewhere. I like a dog that sticks and does all it can to stick with the track and put a hog at the other end of those tracks. Some of these dogs will die of heat exhaustion because of stick or bottom. That is my interpretation of bottom...

TexasHogDogs,

I like the bottom I just described above but it is not feasible anymore. Like you said...these dogs will get us in trouble...Just like we said on another thread...need to breed dogs with more stopping power and I suspect it will breed out some of that stick to a track no matter what kind of dog. I mean the dog will lose some of that bottom but hopefully we can catch hogs without having to go five miles in the thick stuff...

Reuben

Thats were am at now trying to breed more stopping power with a little less distance I guess I should say cause I like stick in the briars and all the ruff stuff the distance on a track its just different to me and thats what am trying to cut down on,  know what I mean .  Am like you Reuben I call it stick.  I just bred my old Blu gyp to a bulldog I think a lot of hopeing this works out well and later on take some of these and go into some of my main dogs trying to cut down on some of the sticking distance out of these dogs .  Am sure she is gonna have a bunch so if you would like to try one its on me .

This ole gyp is the Queen and the King of this yard.

(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i412/mrstexashogdogs/Photo-00401.jpg)

I've had one run the same hog for 3 hours we looked at the hog 4 times crossing a highline we caught him it ended up being a barr hog ... sure did taste good

I once had a race for 45 days. The only way my dog stayed alive was drinking his own sweat and taking bites of meat from the hogs hind end. He finally broke the hog down enough to stop him.

I finally arrived with my chopper to haul the dog and hog out. That is when I realized....that wasnt the same hog we started a month and half earlier. That hog was black with brown split hairs. This hog was black with brown unsplitting hairs.

 ;D ;D ;D that is a little too much stick/btm for me... :)

TexasHogDogs,

thanks for the offer and I will keep you in mind. I just bought a 7 month old half pit 1/2 redbone and he is a nice looking black pup. I also just bred a kemmer gyp this morning so will be dog poor before too long... ;D :)

That half redbone is really nice and I like him.

Do you think maybe he shed his old split brown coat, just growed new brown hairs that had not split yet since it was over a month time frame? :P

Texas hog dogs  Thats a nice looking blue gyp. Is she out of your dogs ? Or were did she come from???  

She is off of Cole's ole Joe dog . I Traded for her about six seven years ago from Cole's bro Shane.

Yep, she is real nice...

Yea the country I hunt is solid prickly pear or briars. There is a little open country. But hogs dont run across it when a dog is after them. I know some guys say they got dogs that know when to get rough and can turn a hog. If mine could get there lips on one that was running they probably would. But when they get to one that they can bay. They dont dare give him a reason to cut out again by bitting on him. They just want Dad to bring them some help.

The longest race I have seen was in Dec of 2008. We started off early in the evening and ended up 15.5 miles from where we started. Had the boar bayed up 4 or 5 times. We ended up catching him a town over from the start the next  morning.

I know that I hunt many different styles depending on the terain but when I can let the dogos run we do not have this problem very often. My dogos do not have as much bottom as my BMCs have but they dogo do not need it normally