EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Can anyone fill me in on these dogs a little bit, i know there have been tons of posts on here in the past but i never cared to read em because the dogs were never in my price range, well long story short a guy came to me this morning at work and offered a grown male to me because his buddy has to get rid of it and i said "hell yea ill take him" anyway can you fill me in on aggressiveness towards other dogs, are they straight catch or runnin catch? do they get out and hunt? I know nothing about these dogs except that they look like overgrown pitts and ive heard they catch hard. fill me in

I've only been around one, a 4yo male I was given that was completely unsocialized, had never seen a hog... best free dog I ever got  ;) ;D

In my opinion... if you aren't truly dog savvy, you don't need to be messing with a big dog like this... smaller dogs you can manhandle and get away with it... this dog I've got could reeeeaaally hurt you if he wanted to... took me a few wks of intense handling to get him to come around...

Dog aggressive? As much as any other dog I've seen, varies from animal to animal... Proper training helps control this...

Catch style? Some do, some don't... one way to find out... just make sure you got some handle on him before turnin' him on... Mine catches by the top of the skull every time, as good as it gets.

Hunt? If I let mine, I know he would... but I don't want my catch dogs to hunt... if they miss a catch, I want to be able to get my hands back on them so they don't roll out and end up catchin' a mile away... get dogs hurt bad like that...  He's got a hell of a good nose... but there again... you better have a hell of a handle and make damn sure he's trash broke... no fun tryin' to pull a dog that size off a pissed off bull...  ;)

Again, this is just my opinion on a whole breed based on the ONE dog I have to go by... so take this accordingly...

He is, to me, a giant cur dog, a "rough" cur dog obviously... but that's the type of curdogs I hunt so I see the similarity... way more similar than say a pit or bulldog... Just as my curdogs will catch a hog they know they can handle by themselves, so does he... Just so happens that he weighs better than a hundred pounds though... so what "he" considers a reasonable hog to try verses my cur dogs is a bit different!   ;D

He is WAY more intelligent than a bulldog, he TURNS OFF when I tell him to... VERY nice with a dog that big...

Just be very, very, careful... you dealin' with a lot of horsepower...

thanks for the info, this dog has been socialized and from what i understand is trained decent, ive owned pitbulls and bulldogs for a while and ive trained quite a few dogs for upland and waterfowl hunting as well as hog hunting and catching, i think we will get along just fine. and u make a good point about not wanting to run the dog due to catching long range and gettin hurt. appreciate it

Noah, just curious as to what he does on a real big hog?

Hey Noah, have you considered crossing him on your curs anymore?

One hog in particular stands out, a good boar Shine bayed up by herself... a half dozen of us walked up on the bay and the boar was backed into a little bunch of brush darin' a dog to come in... Shine was backed off about 10' givin' this dude PLENTY of room...  ;D 

..  got to within' about 20yds and cut Bucho to him head on, nothin' but a cut collar on... he accelerates all the way to the hit, every time...

... as he came in on this hog, the boar coiled up and tried to hook him at the last second, Bucho is so tall he just went right over and to the side... catchin' the boar perfect by the top of the skull... they helicoptered real good a few times, the whole time the boar tryin' to get turned on him to try and get his hooks into the dog..

Bucho just spun with him, body tight along the boars side... genetic holding style 100% right there...

Once he gets his feet planted, not many hogs can do much.... he's just a strong sucker... seems he's gettin' stronger and faster every hog he catches too...


Shine's in heat as we speak... VERY tempting I tell you... would make one hell of an athletic catch dog I promise you  ;D  Another litter of dogs is the last thing I need right now though... I just need to focus on what I got right now!

A Dogo should "hunt" like a cur dog and catch like any other bull dog. No bark straight catch on any size hog.

Some have a lot of hunt and some don't. I have one that will hunt out 1000 yrds or more and I have had one that would not get out of you light.

Dog aggression can be found in some lines.

silverton, I kinda figgured that there would be some aggression issues, in my opinion in most bulldog breeds there will be a certain level of aggression simply based on the dogs genetics.

Noah, and anyone that has info, in your opinions what would be a good cross with a dogo, Id like to cross him with a couple bay dogs depending on how he shows out in my pen, i had a pretty good pack awhile back but out of state work forced me to sell out for awhile, i am getting back into doggin now that i am working back at home, i recently purchased a house with enough land to do things right a have a decent bay pen and build good solid kennels..........anyway what im trying to say is I will be building my pack back up shortly and would like ya'lls opinions on what type/breed gyps yall would suggest to breed him to

Doug Mason seems to have perty good luck with his Catdos... I have considered(still considering) trying it with my rough cur dogs... but the Dogo size sure is nice sometimes and I'd hate to lose any...

Depends on how you wanna hunt I guess...

If I ever get a couple good Dogos at a young age, I'd like to try raising them up to actually hunt... 

Here's the boar I was talkin' about earlier... he was RANK... until this hog, I was wondering what Bucho was gonna do with a bad one myself... (note Bucho's favorite "grip" on a hog  ;D )
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm192/aprilcmetzger/006.jpg)

This was another full grown BAD dude that Bucho had to handle solo... cut both my curs bad... before turning to charge us in head high sawgrass... Bucho saved our asses on this hunt... would not have wanted ANY other catch dog in that final moment...
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm192/aprilcmetzger/002.jpg)

With my cur dogs, it's rare that a catch dog get's to hit first... they usually sense the CD comin' in and grab aholt... Bucho get's used alot to help anchor which has helped prevent countless injuries by controlling a hog from "slinging" dogs... that's worth it's weight in gold to me  ;)

Just a good pic of ol' Bucho... I'd like to see a bit deeper chest... and better muscling in the rear end... but overall he's built very well.. built to take a lickin' I can guarantee... the bone in his legs is as thick as a fence post ;D

(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm192/aprilcmetzger/040.jpg)

As far as your crossed up with a cur question I am sure you will find good and bad but I am hunting with a half dogo and half lacy yr old male and he is making a decent hand. Real fast and gritty typically catches with a 2nd dog, would have been straight catch if hunted on a lead but learned to bay real tight in this heat.

When you get the correct line of proven health and catching traits the Dogo is an outstanding CD. I own one that no one in their right mind would cull. They have great endurance as well. May not be worth the cost to some but to each his own.

If I were feeding/hunting a crossed up "outlaw cur" style of dogs I would use a bird/bull. Suprised I never hear of any around here much??

I think a GSP / Dogo mix would be a really nice mix.

Where are you guys getting your Dogo's at?  I really want one, but sadly I am at least a year out from getting one.

Noah,

Your dogo looks impressive.

I would start with known breeders, Marvin, aka LaDogos on here seems to produce some good dogs... La Historia Dogos helped me get the Dogo I have, although it's not one he bred, he says his blood is similar. 

It is interesting how few Dogo breeders actually hunt their dogs from what I have seen... throwing a dog in a pen with a hog doesn't tell you much...

Off the top of my head that's about all I can think of... if funds were not a thought... I'd like to go down to Argentina and spend some time working cattle, huntin', and just plain gettin' to know some gauchos down that a way...   those that use any dog for work usually have the best tools for the job...

LA Dogos, Marvin has the best proven dogs I know of.

LA Dogos is one of the only breeders in America that I would buy from. Others out of US would be either PPC dogos or some down in argentina. Very few American breeders hunt their dogos. La Historia is from New York, and although he may hunt his dogs SOME, I dont think that he has a real proven line of working dogs, unless there is a hog problem in the big apple that im not aware of. He does have some beautiful dogs though! Its just more of a gamble when getting a dog from a breeder like this if you plan to hunt it. Has just as good of chance of catching as not catching, and the chances of that dog actually hunting are even slimmer, and thats a big gamble when you pay that kinda money for a dog.

I just got a pup a few months back from Marvin at LA Dogos. Showed him a hog when he was four months old and he caught it. Dogos sometimes take a little longer to turn on than bull dogs so I think that really says something about his breeding. The whole litter my pup was from had full hearing, so that says something else about his breeding.... Its good!

Good luck with the one you got! I hope she is a good one!

About how much would it cost to import them from Argentina?

Is there any registry for them in the US?

AKC,UKC,DACA, then there is the one from Puerto Rico (dont remember what it is called). I dont know much about all that stuff but I believe those are the registries

We know a guy that lives in NY..He invited us to come hunt because he said they are starting to be a problem!

Importing them? Fly down pick out the one you want and fly the dog back as luggage. It is cheaper than just shipping. You also have to make sure the airline will allow them. Delta did last time I checked.

The Dogo is not a bulldog it is a mastiff. Dogo is a Roman word that translates as Mastiff.

Its good to know I dont really hunt my dogs. I should dig up the one I just lost and tell him he wasn't hunt, so why is his lazy ass still sleepin'.

Just because I also have the number one Dogo in the country doesn't mean they don't hunt too.

These NY orange groves and sugar cane really don't have any hogs in them.

Oh wait, I think I am in Florida. Maybe I should check with Taylor to see if its ok to be here.

To each his own, but don't talk about what you don't know, and you don't know me or my #1 Dogo.

I don't put to many dogs with people, unless I feel that they will do this breed and the dogs they own justice. As you see, there isn't a better place for Bucho to be.

Unless I am reading this wrong or this information is incorrect it clearly states on the website that La Historia Dogos is in Long Island, NY, but I guess you should know better than anyone where you are at. ???  ???  ??? Sorry if I am incorrect I am not trying to offend anyone.

http://www.argentine-dogo.com/About_Us.html

My website has and still continues to link the company I own. Which is boarding, training, and caring for dogs. So it will continue to say Long Island, NY. I have a home in both places.

La Historia, post some pics of the hogs you've caught with your Dogo's.

You're welcome to see them on my website. As linked in the above post.

Tcolt i say that runt soco gives em run for there money! if u will still allow me to breed my gyp with soco i am more then willing to make this cross more then ever now just to see what happens with this cross.

Man I love Dogo topics lol Marvin has great stock and hunts the hell out of his dogs I
Got my gyp from him and I hunt with him a lot he is a great guy there are a few breeders that I would get a dog from in the U.S. Do your home work before getting a dog shipped from over seas because there are people here that already have those line of dogs and Amy Collins from Los pellos has some great hunting dogs also I met her and Beau thru Marvin and got my male from them and if he say there dogs are worth getting you can take what he says to the bank

The number one Dogo at what? says who?

Big Chris, just let me know when she is ready. I talked to Blake and he wants to put him over that good looking black dog. Im all for it!

Yeah how does anyone know they have the #1 dogo in the country?

It was pretty obvious to me that he was stating he has the best Dogo in show/confomation, but that does not mean they are not hunted...   That's what I arrived at after reading his comment... I may be wrong, but I did pass third grade reading comprehension ;D

I hope this one is ok Mike


Sorry, didnt know you have a house in New York and Florida. How many times do you hunt a year on average? How many pigs do you catch a year on average? Have you ever watched one of your dogs handle a big boar by themselves? If you havent seen them by themselves, how do you know they wont cur out if they are on a big nasty boar by themselves?

I never said you dont hunt, I said you dont hunt very often.

I am just calling it like I see it.

As for Noah, I believe on the dogo board I told you he didnt "hunt" his dogo but he is used as a cd, and then you said he did. Then I believe on this very thread he said he DOES NOT "hunt" his dogo, he uses him as a catch dog.

Please prove me wrong and share pictures of ALL the hogs you catch with YOUR dogs. I counted 7 pictures of hogs on your website and some of them are the same pig I believe... I have caught more than that in one day, so I may have a higher standard for a proven dog than you, but please.... enlighten me.

My dogo is better than all of yalls....and he is for sale.

TColt,

   You need to take a step back and think about what you are saying....


You praise PPC dogo, yet if I am not mistaken, it is illegal to hunt hogs in their home country, they actually have to travel out of country to hunt their dogs...  or have someone like Marvin prove their dogs...   How is that different from someone else that has a kennel in NY or anywhere else for that matter, that sends some of their dogs out to be hunted and proven?


If y'all have some beef from a Dogo board, why don't you leave it over there...

Those bans are very recent... like this year. So im sure PPC is working on moving, they are not even allowed to own dogos in their current country. The countries over there are the size of, or smaller than, alot of states over here, especially Texas. Its not much for them to travel to hunt. So saying they have to travel to another country is not really putting it in the right perspective. They also test their dogs on Pure Russians. Not many people can do that.

I simply mentioned them because they have a line of proven dogs. To me, catching a small boar once or twice a year is not proving your dogs. Especially the dogo, with how watered down it has become.

If Bucho is the dog you are referring to about sending dogs to be proven, La Historia will be the first to admit that they had no part in the breeding of that dog.

Anything else that is not pertaining to hunting dogs will be taken up in private.

So did I.  In fact I'm pretty sure I comprehend as well as anybody, I was guessing shows too but he never said that.  That's why I asked, also wondered who the award was from, just curious is all.   Sure glad you could straighten me out, maybe you could break it down to second grade next time.

Doesnt get much better than DOGO owners bashing DOGOS!!!  >:D  

Why dont yall just get rid of the NOGOS and get you a pit... then everyone will be happy!!!  rolleyes  ;D

You wont have to worry about whos line it is then ( except for the stumpy pits )  cuz you can get
alot higher percentage of pits to catch!! ( even the stumpy pits ) ;D

( this post is just a joke, and not pointed at anyone (except dogos) )     :D  :-*

$hit T.Will it is getting deep I see you have jokes lol just stick with your lil pits because your not man enough to handle one of these monsters lol  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D ;D

Sorry posted twice!

Lol, Im not bashing dogos, when I say the dogo as a breed is watered down, that is a bash to SOME, not all, dogo breeders. MOST of those breeders would be on ETHD though haha. There still are many breeders that work to preserve the dogo. The problem is, the breeders that are in it for the money are producing more litters than the ones who are in it for the right reasons. But that is the way it is with alot of breeds I suppose. The "work" is bred right out of them.

I do like pits though, I just dont own one.

 :o :o :o

ummm... you may need to go check with cutterbay before making comments like that.... he can tell you the POWER i have!!!  ;D  >:D

The only thing i cant handle is feeding a bay dog that big!!!  :-*    :laugh:

Oh no, here we go...  >:D ;D

stumpy pits. Now thats funny. Not that i should laugh since i gotta mongrel but i couldnt help it.

I saw your pics and with  those arms I think you would have trouble just holding my dogs lead!!!! lmfao
And what gos on with you and cutter when yall are alone should stay off the board (DONT ASK DONT TELL)

if i woulda known that my questions woulda turned into one big pissin match i woulda never wasted my time. Hell i been on this site for a few years now and when i looked this morning at the number of posts i was pleasently surprised due to the fact that ive never gotten this much response out of a posted question...........then i screwed up and wasted my time opening this thread. To those of you that answered questions for me I greatly appreciate it.....as i stated before i know nothing of the breed or the dog. I was simply offered a male dogo from a buddy of a buddy because he can no longer keep it. Sometimes im left scratchin my head at how quick these threads can go south. We are all here because we have a common interest....hog hunting. I could care less what shape size color or creed of dogs any of you hunt, at the end of the day they are your dogs and my dogs are mine.....I judge a dog based off performance and performance alone, all I wanted to know was a little more about the breed overall. Once again to those of you that answered questions for me thanks.

Justin Corbell

Will Justin ever get his answer? Can the mighty DOGO ever live up to the Hype? Is the Stumpy Pit always gonna be a Micheal Vick reject? See t.wil hold up a dogo leash, and MORE on the next --ONE HOGDOGGERS LIFE TO LIVE--

Best post ever ;D

Freakin hilarious. 

Better hope no one ever offers  you a Lacy!!!!! ;D

Ahhh drama..  rolleyes

... I am about as objective as objective gets... I am very hard on my dogs....  When Joshua(LaHistoria) was kind enough to send this dog to me I knew nothing about the breed other than the stories I had read...

Bucho has made me a believer... He is a fine example of the "catch dog end" of what a Dogo can be... EVERY dogman that has had the pleasure to be around him will tell you the same...  Could he hunt?  Yes.  As of right now, I don't hunt that way... but if I ever do get some young dogs to start at the same time I may try it... I think it would be VERY productive..

I believe LaHistoria has a half brother to Bucho that I'm fairly sure I would get along with just fine... He's built very similar

Not everyone has the resources to prove dogs like we as hunters would like them to... doesn't mean they aren't still quality animals...

I know Joshua only from our limited conversations about Bucho.... but in my opinion he has good intentions of preserving a true hunting breed, the Dogo. 

I don't care if you like 'em or not, just try not to be a dick about it.

THIS is a prime example of why many TRUE hunters/dogmen refuse to participate in forums.... too much drama.

I was not speaking of a Dogo ban, but more of them not being able to hunt hogs with dogs in their home country.... I seem to recall Birgitte (Sp) mentioning that in the past.   On their website it states they have hunted in the following countries.

"We have hunted in Usa, South Africa, Belarus and Sweden."

My understanding is that they have never, or at least not in the last several years, been able to hunt/prove their dogs where they breed them. Almost like a New Yorker sending their dogs to Florida or Texas to be proven. ;)

That Pirata dog has a big ol list of titles she's won.  

Noah, this winter I need to take you to that place on the suwannee, I want to see ol Bucho in action on one of those big ol' barrs i've got.

Just like everybodys pics of hogs " dont do that hog justice " , so do the pics of my guns.....  ;)

And you leave mine and cutters long distance dogo bashing relationship out of this!!!!!!  :-*


This is the best answer anybody can give you on a dogo!!  ;D

Some catch, some dont,     some people love em, some hate em    

Just like every other breed of dog, most have been watered down due to breeding for looks and money....
Overall, the dogo should be able to handle most any size hog, if it has it in em....
The best thing i can suggest you do, is put him in the woods and see how he works for you....  ;)

If you just want to know alittle more about the dogo, you can contact some of the breeders already mentioned, or if all else fails, google that $hit!!  :)  ;D


 :D  That is great!!!!

You name the date!  It's been harder and harder to find any big hogs on our place, them old smart ones got us patterned and make sure to be long gone come saturday mornings!!!  ;D

Probably gonna have to wait til the guy who owns it gets burnt out on killin goats.... But, are you sure you are ready for the CD deathtrap? 4 Have failed in the last year and curred out >:D

I love the dogo.  They are an amazing dog.  And I am sure some guys feel the same way about a pit, lacy, catahoula, bmc.  Its all preference.  I got to add another to my team last night thanks to Clint (Tomball Dogos).  What is sad is that every thread about the dogo nearly turns to drama and crap and a lot of times its the dogo owners that make it turn that way.  If you love the breed don't trash it.  Don't trash other breeders unless you have seen their dogs and know what their dogs do and don't do and even at that, keep it private.  Keep it positive and give positive reinforcement.  If you know of breeders that are good, suggest them, if you know they are bad, send a PM and suggest doing some research before purchasing one from them.  These kinds of threads do not make the dogos look good.  The pit guys have got to love it.

Those big rallys of mature hogs are bad news for a single CD... may have to bring some back up to shake their confidence!  ;D

Congrats on your dog; you're a lucky guy!
11 (# of hogs caught with my dogo cross RIP)
LMAO! ;D

I love the dogo, but I am a realist. I know that most are in the wrong hands to preserve the breed wether the intentions are good or not. I will never doubt anyones intentions. Most dogo owners may have alot more experience with the dogo than I have. Heck, I only been around them for six years, which my as well be a day compared to some. But it doesn't mean they have experience with a hunting dog.

Circle C, Im not going to get into this about weather or not PPC proves their dogs. I know that the dogs they reproduce with have been proven. Driving to another country in europe can be closer than driving from Dallas to Houston.

If the dogs La Historia is reproducing with have been proven (he sends them down to texas, louisiana, florida, where ever and then he gets them back and these are the ones he is breeding) then I will personally call him up and apologize. In fact, if he truly is reproducing with dogs that are hunting dogos, I will personally fly out to New York City, Florida, or wherever he wants to hunt, and then shake his hand and apologize in person. But I have a "hunch" that isn't going to happen.

People can get a dog from where ever they want, its their money. This drama is the reason I try to bite my tongue and stay out of the dogo threads.

Justin, good luck with your new dog. If he works out shoot me a PM, I like to keep up with what blood lines are working.

Every Dogo thread blows up. I do love the Dogo and I hope my two pups turn out decent. I like Dogos better than most people. I have had words with a few people. But I don't hold grudges. I picked the breeders I wanted Dogos from and I wanted advice from. I will say flat out that I don't think any Dogo breeder knows more about hunting them than Marvin. That is why I got my first Dogo from him. Maybe there is someone but I do not know about them.

I have posted this before but I think this explains the Dogo very well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zHkg5Aakqg

They dorequire someone that has experience with large dominant dogs. But they are very gentle too. When I am hurt my Dogos notice and avoid hurting me. My other dogs don't really pay attention ;D They will challenge you in subtle ways.

Thanks for being able to undestand. I didn't think I was being cryptic.

Bottom line is: I hunt MY dogos, don't rely on others to do it. I don't rest my kennel on the backs of those I place dogs with.

The problem with all these tough guys on the internet is that they are so competitive that they even compete for the breeder of their dog. I don't need other people to get on the internet and whore my dogs. I keep my best dogs, I hunt them more often than most breeders, and I show them. Its sad that some feel the need to talk trash about people they don't know, just because someone other than their breeder was reccommended. I am going to appologize to them right now, for threatening your insecurities. When you breed a Dogo that you feel is better than a Dogo I bred, then you can talk trash, otherwise your just someones hype man.

 

If you have been on this site for a few years....you should have know where this was going from the begining.  I would steer clear of dogo and obama topics... ;D

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First let me say that, IMO, there's not a dimes worth of difference between the good representatives of the respective breeds (Dogo, AB, APBT) when it comes to catching hogs. I've owned and hunted behind plenty of each. I believe it boils down to personal preference as to which a person will choose to feed.

That being said, one should do plenty of research on breeders/dogs/bloodlines before they decide to go and get one. I've been around the Dogo long enough to see a rebirth of the breed club, a second breed club come and go. Politics, personal agendas, back biting, back stabbing, etc. in that reborn breed club. I've seen folks that have owned/bred Dogos for 15-20+ years before ever putting the first one in a hunting home. I've seen folks that have done little more than entry level "hunt" testing use that to market their dogs. I've seen hunt stories posted by those same folks that were most assuredly stretching the truth at best. I've seen wild claims of some breeders to the effect of never having a pup they put in a hunting home wash out/cull. And that's just the "tip of the iceberg". Personally, if I were looking for a Dogo, I can count the number of folks on one hand who I'd go to (and still have fingers not utilized).

The best advice I can give anyone on any working breed is: 1. Don't believe the hype 2. Do plenty of research 3. Go see the dogs work multiple times before you make a choice on who to get a dog from.

Good luck in your search.

That pretty much sums it up for me. There is more individual dogs that I want pups from than breeders I want pups from.

When it comes to lead in cd I agree with your first statement. But I aint much for leading them in and that is why I will always have dogos in my yard. I do think that there are some pits and ab's that could handle the way I hunt dogs, but I think it comes more natural to a good dogo.

Bingo... we have a winner! ;D

The dogo threads always get "blown up", as Dub said, because the dogo is always made out to be the great white unicorn, when in reality any good pit or AB can do the same.

I just want to say thank you to all of yall who posted  for making my day at work fly bye lol ;D

He who   BLOWS HIS OWN HORN  is full of  AIR  wink wink  ;)  ;)  :o

I have the #1 $hit eaters in the country  :o  :o  ;)

LMAO x2

I don't see anything funny about grown men bashing people they don't know, like a bunch of teenage girls at the prom. But if it makes you feel better about the dogs you have, then be my guest and talk as much trash as you need.

Shane, I don't quite get your attitude online. In person you had nothing but great thing to say to me about the only dogo of my breeding that you have hunted behind.

Marv, Tooting my own horn would be telling you that I am the breeder, owner, and handler of the #1 Dogo in the US(conformationally, figured SOME of you needed that spelled out). She took best female, and best Junior under one of the most influential breeders in the breed today. And she hunts. Is she the best hunter in the world? Don't know, don't care. She finds them and catches them, thats all that matters to me. I don't own a farm that needs crops protected. But what I do know, is I have been hunting in TX with a couple of you, and I saw a hog run right in front of the UTV and not one of the dogs running on the ground saw, smelled or heard it. DRY RUN. I have never been on a hunt with my dogos, that I have seen a hog and the dogs not find and catch it.

Oh and taking pictures everytime you hunt is as much of blowing your own horn as you can. Pictures are for showing off. When I am hunting, I am trying to get every dog home safe, and you don't need a camera for that.

A picture is worth a thousand words....

I'm trying my hardest to keep my mouth shut and keep this private but I have to respond to your last post.

So she took best female, aka "best opposite sex", which would mean she is not the number 1 Dogo in the country. And wasn't the judge one of the founders of the blood line you breed. How do you have the judges blood line in a breed show, which are pretty much all politics, and not take home the gold.

You know we have something in common. We love the Dogo, but I'm a Dogo hunter ( don't even own a female) and your a Dogo breeder. If I ever do breed I will be breeding for hunting dogs for myself and my friends.

I don't sit here and back a specific Dogo breeder, Marvin is a hunter, he has had something like five litters in almost 20 years of hunting the Dogo. I don't consider that a breeder.

From dogo hunter to dogo breeder. Come to Texas and hunt with me anytime. Bring your dogs, don't bring them, whatever. Open invitation to get a picture for your website with some hunting Dogos.

Now honestly I don't know you... or anyone on this site yet.... I have been lurking here for awhile but I have just started posting.

Honestly you are coming across kinda wrong I think.

Bragging about having the #1 best looking dog isn't something I personally would want to brag about on a site filled with hunters.... Most of these people here, myself included, don't care about showdogs.  When I first read your bragging about having the "#1 Dogo", I thought you were talking about hunting.... and then when I found out you had the #1 Dogo SHOWDOG that kinda changed my opinion of you.

That is like saying you have a pretty truck..... and your point.... we care if the truck can get through the mud and wheel.... not how good it looks doing it.... do you get what I am saying?  Basically most hunters want the GO before the SHOW... not SHOW before GO.

You seem like a passionate guy, I might suggest just toning it down and not bragging about your showdog as much because that really is not that impressive to a hunter.  I hunt upland with my german shorthair, when I picked my breeder to get my dog from I PURPOSELY steered clear of breeders that SHOW their dogs and I went with a laid back kennel that cares about hunting and oh yeah their dogs were good looking, breed standard dogs.... without SHOW titles

HUMMM I remember saying he was a good dog. An that he was a catching machine. Other then that being blue eyed he was a cull by standards. An BTW he is NOT the only dog I have hunted or attempted to hunt behind from your breeding(s). The one now will not even look at a hog/pig and runs from them. Unless it is caught by somebody or another dog making it squeal and ONLY then will it look at it from a distance. I believe it only has attempted to smell or come close enough to smell it ONE time out of a several chances. That is when it is not trying to run away or climb out of the pasture fence LOL.

Maybe you should return phone calls or call and check on the pups you have placed every once in a blue moon. And on top of that maybe I should have edited my quote of Marvins, but I was x2 on the #1 number 2 eaters part LMAO. He has them in La, but I have them in Tx LMAO.

I love watching all the fussing on these Dogo post, there better than any Jerry springer episode   8)

Shane, I guess Mark should check in with you when we talk, so that you know what you're taking about when you reference my relationship with an owner of my dogs.  we both know what you said that night, and unfortunately due to whatever reason you chose or just plain forget it. The pup that you are talking about now is just about a year and a half, and has seen hogs 3 times. Once when I dropped her off at 10 weeks, where she showed no fear. And two other times. According to her owner she was uninterested both times and in heat this past weekend. I can't imagine he would lie about the dog, as he knows she can come back and be replaced. And putting a dog in the pen twice isn't hunting behind. When you put her in the field then you've hunted behind her.

Tcolt, again you talk about what you don't know. I won't even waste my time educating you, as your PM's to me clearly show me where you stand as a man and I don't care to be part of anything that you are.  When you say I am a dogo breeder, I have not claimed to be anything else. I wouldn't even have typed a word on this thread if you didn't go misinforming people about me.

NMartin, if you really think I am coming off too abrasive I suggest you reread the whole thread, and you will see why my tone is how it is. What I said, maybe I should have typed it differently, was: I have the number one Dogo in the country(show) and she is HUNTED. I have probably the only Dogo shown in the AKC that has ever been on hogs, and for that I am proud. I understand that you and most people here don't care what the dog looks like as long as they put meat on the table. But when you are a breed enthusiast, no matter the breed, you should care about the whole package. I could be like most breeders, and not care how the dog hunts. Or I could be like most hunters and not care how the dog looks. But I am neither. I care how the dog looks and care that it can perform the task it was created for. I don't hunt for the fun of it, and I don't hunt because I need to save crops. i hunt for the Dogo Argentino. Thats it. Nothing more, nothing less. And I will continue to be proud of my Dogos that can catch hogs and win shows.

I think its funny when people buy(or get for free) dogs from a show kennel. A kennel that can't hunt in their country, a kennel who has done so "great" for this breed that the dog gets banned from their country. And then say that its a proven hunting line. That is a joke.

Id love to wtch this in a form of a tv show as well lol
Im new to the forum as well. Howdy to all. I didnt know how bad into politics it is with the dogos. Started from a simple question. But bragin yeah i dont agree with that. I tought only teenagers did that.
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Well I will say Josh (La Historia) was pulled in on this thread. But I also think you should Listen to NMartin. He was not attacking you but shooting straight with you. He did not say he did not care how the dog looked. He pointed out the order of priorities. Josh your ego precedes because of its size. It is evident by the fact that you do not take criticism well. I have only seen one of your Dogos on one hunt. It was a decent looking Dogo but was not the best hunting Dogo I have seen. When researching to by a Dogo puppy I asked about you. I contacted some of the people you claimed to have hunted with when you hunted your Dogos. I was told "well he walked in the woods with his Dogos." While most people did not talk bad about you they said you had a big ego. I could not get anyone to say good thing about you either. Mostly it seems your attitude puts people off. I am not bashing you or your dogs just trying to shoot straight with you.

As far as people attacking you on here you can read this thread but look at others too and get the big picture. If you think everyone is against you then maybe it is you not them.

I could not have said that any better if I tried. oh wait I did try :P but you summed it up very well thank you

I believe you are the one that crossed the line on the pm's la historia. I hope I have the pleasure of meeting you one day sir. It will truly be a pleasure. That is all I have to say.

i've been reading this topic and i just wanted to let ya'll know that i just got off the phone with  JERRY SRINGER and he's interested  ;D  ;D

It's a damn shame that every dogo posts ends up the same way.

I'm gonna make "dogo" a forbidden word and if anyone ever posts it, they'll automatically be banned. :o