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I heard on the radio this morning the FBI was doing a nation wide manhunt for an ex marine from Stevens county Oklahoma by the name of Charles Dyer. They went to looking for him in Florida and then quickly on to Texas. Last I heard they were zoned in on a lil house in Sealy TX. Anybody know any more details? They said he is on alot of websites and is anti govt. I gotta admit I been watching his yuotube channel and reading about him all day

Prayers for the LEO'S trying to apprehend him and prayers for his safe capture as well.
 

 hey t-bob, my last name is mann. i will do the right thing. if im armed, i will disarm when i run outa bullets in 1 gun and pick another 1 up. the feds are trying to stop, and shut up any1 that they deem a threat to their goals of screwing our country up even more. according to soe of these patriot act laws, if a u.s. citizen is arrested, and may or not be charged with a crime, the gov. can transport you to another part of the world to their so called interogations and keep you locked up and ignore your constitutional rights, maily the 6th amendment, the right to a fare and speedy trail, the right to face your accuser, and the right have legal counsel present, but they diprive you of those rights, on the basis of being a domestic terrorist, when all you want is these poloticians to STOP screwing our country up and exercising your constitutional rights. they arrest and detain americans, but yet let illegals roam america free and give them more liberties than citizens and even pay for their bills on our dime, classify you a terrorist and not heard from for many yrs after being detain against all civil, and constitutional rights. our government is scared of an uprsing and they try to head if off before americans can get the real truth and let the government run media to slander the guys/gals exercising their constitutional rights. where is the fareness in that??????

He is wanted for alleged child molestation .....if he truly is a molester I hope they smoke his ass.

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I agree in practice Bryant. I like to see perps apprehended for the purpose of making them stand and face the lives they destroyed, that being said, he is also being called a domestic terrorist and the child molestation charge from what I read was from several years ago, it makes you wonder, how many child molesters do the FBI go wall to wall over on a nation wide scale? The truth may be a bit more shady as he supposedly stole RPG's and some sites also claim anti aircraft guns.

Give an example Charles, please.  You always seem to come up with some off the wall bulls**t. 

The oath that I took was to protect this country from terrorist, both foreign and DOMESTIC. People talking crazy talk like this is the reason we have to fight daily to maintain our rights to keep and bear arms. I love this country, I know what shape this country is in, but its not the "countrys" fault for it being in this shape. I dont believe having a shoot out with law enforcement, on any level, is gonna solve anything. pull something like that and all you gonna get is dead. i guarantee they have bigger and better weapons than you, not to mention more of them. its a proven fact that non-violence talk and protest get better results than violent ones. who is gonna listen to the guy that just shot a federal officer or two. NOBODY, thats who. I have dealt with threat makers many times in the past. not saying that you would, but 99% of them coward down when looking down the barrel of an m-4 or 12. that other one percent end up meeting their maker. I dont think that a public forum that anyone, including the FBI, CIA, or Dept of homeland Security, has access to is the place to voice your threats. you never know who is a federal police officer on here. JMO  popo

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I agree something has to happen but if someone tried to organize even a peaceful protest they would be under such scrutiny that they would find something to put him up for.  As bad as people don't want to admit charles has a point.  I'm not saying take arms against the nation but something has to give one way or another. We as a people have become so dependent on tv etc that the government has a direct venue to the peoples fears and they thrive off of it.

well said Baily...

 baileythank you for being a leo and serving the citizens of your area. a public forum is the place to have these kinda discussions, so the feds can see where people are getting tired of the way they are running this country. i do my very best in obeying the law. I have a deep respect for the leo's, they have a dangerous job to do as did i when i served in the military, and as do all the current soldiers. they have to uphold the law, yes, but can you honestly tell me that when an agency, ie: city, county, state or federal are sent out on a nation wide man hunt, in this case topic discussion, that just maybe the guy they are after is 100% fed up with our government and wants to enforce his right to have our government removed and a new government elected. this guy is labeld a domestic terroist and a child molester and if a child molester, then he needs to brought to justice, but can you honestly say, that he really is a terrorist or molester? the feds give the media a story and hype it up to gain blind public support for assistance is his capture. how can he be called a dommestic terrorist, when he is wanting to enforce his rights? I have NO quarrals with the law, and have thought about going into law enforcement myself, but i dont think i could enforce a law that i know is trumped up or bogus, just b/c them law maker in the capital say so. as of right now this guy on the loose has already been judged as guilty before he has stood trial. what happened to innocent until proven guilty. the feds have made this guy others like him, out to be a monster, which sways the public to beleive he is already guilty before he stands trial. as purebreed said, u do a peaceful protest, and we would be scrutinized and labeled un-american by the feds and the fed run media and then the american people. i have seen a peaceful protest turned violent when a plain clothed law officer started harrasing the protesters and started a fight causing un-rest and then walks away and uses his badge to be let in behind the police line barricade, so is that legal or fare?
as for the feds having more weapons, yes i agree, they do, and 98%+ know how to use them effectively too. I may dies, but i will die for freedom, the same freedom you have and your are sworn to uphold and protect.

Couldn't have said it better myself, Bailey!! Well Said...

Charles- I think you have a misconception of freedom. is freedom allowing an individual, who is obvioulsy of his rocker, to run around our country while possessing RPG's and anti air guns. I dont now if you have children or not, but I do, and I'm not big on the idea of one of those RPG rounds getting let loose at the school my daughter goes to. do we want to live in a country that shows its frustration such as Libia. Maybe you should turn on CNN sometime. I dont want to raise my children in that crap. so i guess if you desire to live in civil unrest you should move to a third world country. as for me and mine, we are gonna stay right here and hold down the farm.

What's your position on citizens with arms that are full auto, suppressed , etc 

i think that if you pass the background checks and have the proper paper work for the suppressor or the full auto firearm (i dont like the term "weapon" they are only weapons if you make them a weapon) then go for it.

I am pro gun and pro hunt... but full auto etc??? etc???is not needed for hunting or even for recreational purposes. So I stand against it...the next step I reckon is someone wanting a hydrogen bomb in the garage for recreational purposes...

I did pass ;D   I was just interested in a LEO's take on it. I'm a bit torn on where the limit should be for citizens. My thoughts are that when the founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment, they never considered RPG's, Anti Aircraft guns, or anything of the sort. When they wrote the right to bear arms.  I don't think they would have wanted to gov't to have all the fun toys, and the citizens having the old outdated ones.  It's like us bringing a slingshot to a gun fight. My understanding is the right to keep and bear arms, was to to allow citizens to remain in a free state.

If the gov't today was to convert to a dictatorship, how would the citizens have the fire power to remain a free state?

On the flip side,  I am with you, in that I don't want a bunch of wackos running around with RPG's either...

Full auto and suppressors are alot different than a hydrogen bomb. I agree with Bailey on this one. I don't think felons should be able to own one and as long as you obtain them through the proper channels then I have no problem with them.

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See here we go with saying he has all of that he may have it but he also may not why throw guilt before we know.  I am guessing he has not been caught.  This media is just what I am talking about fear is what leads you to submission.   

 Ok, yall got me curious so I googled the mans name and pulled up the story. It reads like something straight out of a movie. Here is the story that I read.... He seems a little off his rocker.

 http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/manhunt_on_for_ex-marine_oathkeeper_accused_of_rap.php

I aint saying the guy is guilty of anything or that he does have an RPG in his possession. But what I do know, the FBI is lazy and if they are putting this much effort into, then they have some REALLY good Intel.

agreed and sorry for starting this brushfire, I forgot we were in a burn ban! :-X

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I don't see anything extreme about him he is just telling the truth as he sees it.  I would not be pushed either with an unjust charge.  Not saying he is not guilty but I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.
 

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What hasn't been mentioned yet is that Mr. Dyer was already tried for possession of the grenade launcher--AND FOUND INNOCENT.  As to the child molestation accusation, DNA evidence tends to exonerate him.  And, just coincidentally, Mr. Dyer's ex-wife's live-in boyfriend is a convicted sex offender. 

He lost everything in the fire that burned down his home Friday morning.  All of the photographs, all of the memorabilia one collects throughout his life, all of his clothes, everything.  All he had left was, literally, the clothes on his back.  And, inexplicably, the judge refused to grant just a ONE-WEEK CONTINUANCE to find a new place to live and to get his life back in order.  Really, was that so unreasonable?

He has no firearms.  He was forbidden to have them as a condition for his bond.  And he certainly has no explosives.   He is a man who has literally lost everything due to the allegations of a drug-addicted ex-wife.  the only reason these charges are being pursued against him is because of his political views.

sounds like lawyer talk

that aint no number 2 mine as well turn them handy dandy german shepherds loose on him an let them do something for a change ....  rolleyes

Sounds like innocent until proven guilty ;)

im gonna say this and leave this post alone. I had never herd of this individual prior to this post, but have done some research there after. my take on the sitution is that Mr. Dyer is a leader/member (depends on where you are reading) of an anti-government radical group that has tendencies to be extremist. Apparently they have excersised these tendencies to the degree to find themselves on the terrorist watch list. Now here is the kicker. Once on the terrorist watch list, if you do ANYTHING illegal (not showing up for court is illegal) then you are issued a free ticket to have a one on one with a Federal Agent so that they may find out just what you have been up to. Upon the issuance of said ticket, you run like a scaulded dog; there is a hightened awareness of you placed all over this country. If you didnt do nything wrong, why are you running. come on folks. Im not saying this guy is guilty of anything but being ignorant. but, if it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck it aint a chicken. Most people look at him and say that he is just a crazy guy with some stupid group that want to bash the government. well the two kids that shot up the school in Columbine were untrained, un united, un skilled teenagers and look at the damage they did. now how much damage can a group of radicals that see each other everyday to train for such an attack, to help each other maintain a level of hate for fellow man, and to assist one another in obtaining firearms and/or explosives, how much damage can they do. probably not that much in all honesty. they could form an attack on a crowd of people at some mayoral speech in some small town and kill 10-20 people. or, they could go down the local hardware store and spend fifty bucks and build enough pipe bombs to kill ten thousand people. both of these are unacceptable when its preventable. this guy is influencing a ton of people, even us as we are sitting her reading about him and watching his stupid videos on youtube. now our sanity is not in question, but what about some 14 year old kid that just got suspended from school and he is pissed at the principle. he watches one of these "stick it to the man" videos and decides to put a bullet in the principles head. hows that for influence. it happens everyday. influential people giving negative influence. I say catch the scum bag and find out what he has been up to. why did he skip court. why is he running. this is the opinion from the front lines, i see this everyday, this is what i do. dont let these people fool you. not all of them are guilty of anything. some of them just want to stand up and be herd. the rest of them are extremely dangerous.

Praise the LORD for people like BAILEY...

A lady i work with out in Katy has a son thats involved in this investigation as he is a federal agent. Just spoke with her about it. The guy DID NOT rape/molest anyone!!!! The government was watching him b/c it was believed he had weapons. ie. rpg's grenade launchers...etc... Well as he was being staked out he made the guys spying on him and he hauled tail out of the area. B/c of this they are now trying to catch up to him to talk to him. The whole sexual assault thing is brought on by his ex wife and the media plain and simple.  

In my opinion i dont think its a crime to not want the government(big brother) snooping over your shoulder, I know i sure dont!  Guys dont drink the koolaid that the goverment is serving cause it dont always taste good.  I think b/c this guy is anti goverment and a combat veteran who served for this country the current regime in office wants to silence any and all like him, b/c they speak the truth.

What kind of negative influence?  I hope standing up against the corrupt leaders of this country isnt what is being referred to as negative influence.  Other than that he hasnt commited a crime.

Well besides not showing up for court.....

Thank you slimhogdog. At least some1 else understands the croockedness of our government. It aint a crime to not want the government out of our bizness. The feds are scared that if the americans get armed, the feds will be out numbered. I hav respect for officers of the law, but if they are part of the crooked government and wont use sound judgement, then they should consider themselves the light aswell. There are honest cops, but unfortunately there are more dishonest cops in the system. How can you enforce the law when you braking the law youself? I guess since im anti government i must be a terrorist, when the 1s pointing the finger at me, have 4 pointing back at them, but i guess if you make the law, you can exempt yourself from it

 BTT

I personally don't care what weapons you but what you do with them. I think law enforcement in the country gets out of hand at times. I think there are many many problems and I think the government is out of control and there will be a revolution. But how should it be handled? Look at the leaders that brought about the most change you will see that government leaders use force and kill people to make change. This is from Russia to the United States. The term terrorism is from France and it was a tactic used by governments. I believe many goverments use terrorism. It means that you are in fear. If you spank your child do you fear the government?

but how did the people bring about large scale change? Violence while used be people has not brought social change. The biggest social change in the country was Martin Luther King Jr. He did not use violence. His insperation was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi who also brought about large scale social change. But what one person brought the biggest change to this world greater than any government? Jesus Christ did. Jesus Christ did not use violence but instead allowed it against Himself and use it for victory.

I may have a few guns but I would never try to use them and claim it was for social change or to make my country better. The pen is mightier than the sword. We are to fear the Lord and leave vegence to the Lord. Anger and violence are not as powerful as love. Love is something given not recieved. So if you want to change this country then I would say love your neighbor as yourself. If that spreads then there will be social change.

well said...

thats all true dub ...  BUT  if our forefathers didn't have a backbone and a set of balls we'd still be subjects of the crown of england , or we'd all be blonde haired and blue eyed and speaking german .


                       if we don't grow a backbone and a pair our descendants will be bowing to mohammed 5 x's a day !!

                             do you really think obama is a christian ?????

sooner or later its gonna hit the fan and everybody is gonna have to decide where they stand .

 

Wow Warren, you didn't even throw in a bluetick joke or talk about your unicorns  :laugh:

I do think it will hit the fan. The second amendment does make militias legal. I do believe militias are to protect the people from the government. If you don't then look at the revoultion we were England and they fought England. They are not here to support our government but to force the government to behave in a manner to prevent a revolution. Unfortunatly it has not stopped our rights from being removed one at a time. I just really hope our politicians get their heads out of their @$$es. It is not one political party. The Patriot Act was Republican. It is both parties and that is what is scary because the people have no legal alternative. That is what brings violent revolutions. I took an oath to protect my country and constitution from all enemies... I would prefer the government change to the will of the people and go back to the constitution. That is why those Congressional enquiries bother me. Where do they get that power? It is not in the constition anywhere. That is what I took an oath to protect because they asked me to. They asked me to put God in my oath. I wish I had the solution but I only see the problems.

Of course Blue Ticks are a big part of the problem and if we all got unicorns it would fix everything ;D

But it ain't my fight unless they make it my fight. I did my time and then some.

I already know where I'll stand. I'll be standing on my porch with my wife and daughter in the house. I never go looking for trouble anymore, a month before I got married I locked horns with a couple of jerks just because one of them spilled a drink on me. I was a lil banged up, but proud of myself for coming out on top (in my mind anyway ;)). Amanda gave me the ultimatum that changed my life. Its nobodies business but ours but I can tell you it was a punch to the gut. I decided from then on what my priorities were and i aint looked back since. If the wolf growls at the door I'll be eating wolf but outside of that I'll leave the revolution to t revolutionaries

 jdt, i stand ready and willing to fight and die for freedom, but i really think there are to many that will become cowards and change sides, just to live. i guess they want to live under tyranny, tyranny from our government, a governament that uses fear and intimidation to control the people and make them blind to the fact that they,  the governement are ruining this country, that so many died for. now our mne and women are dying for freedom, but it aint american's freedom, its the freedoms for those who wouldnt lift a bucket of water to put a fire out for us, but would lift a bucket of fuel to make the fire burn hotter. the american people need wake the heck up and relise our government is slowly but surely taking our freedoms away and dont mind running this country into the ground and selling it off to the highest bidder. some really need to wake up and STOP thinking that folks like myself and others that they consider us an anti-gov terrorist militia, who only want our rights to be upheld and our liberties granted. WAKE UP people!!!!!

 t-bob, we need good shepards to watch over our floks while we are at war.

Charles I am afraid there is not enough people left in our country with a back bone everyone wants to hope and wish and hope it will be a fairy tail world instead of standing up for what our nation was created with and for.  DJ 9 out of 10 times I agree with you but here you have the shades pulled over your eyes also you are believing what THEY tell you and it frightens you exactly what they want you to think and feel fear.  Ruben you have never shot a full auto or silenced rifle have you.  They are a blast to shoot as recreation and the silenced are good for non game species like hogs.  Let them take one liberty they will take another and another till we have none it is happening every day.  We stood up for the dog legislation and they slid the anti breeding right under our nose. This is just an example but people yall need to step back and look at the big picture and what direction the government is taking us and if you are a god loving loyal american you will not like where we are headed.   

 dj, you read what the governement controled media wants you to read and believe. if you honestly believe everything you read from government sponsered media, you are a sheep led to slaughter, you are like a horse with blinders on, only seeing whats its front of you and nothing else and get spooked at the slightest hint of trouble, but dont know the difference between truth and fiction. purebreed, you are right, there are to many spineless, gutless people blind and foolish and will believ what ever their so government tells them, b/c they dont think the government could do what is being said, by us so called, terrorists, and conspiricy therists. take the wolrd trade center for example, if you slow the footage down you can see controled dets serveral floors below the crumbling building as if collapses in on its self. there are to many expert demo companies agreeing the buildings were a controled det. I myself fell into the blindness of what was happening and what the media told us and hid from us but after a yr or so, i saw the footage of controled dets and implosions, not explosions. people are blind, being led by the blind. I hope when the revolution kicks off, then people will wake up and relise that me and others are not just a bunch of crazy minded militia members, which i am NOT a member of, but agree with their cause. i hope we have a revolt soon, hopefully folks will wake up.

Alright dad gummit im sorry I ever started.this post to begin with, get off of dinahs back first off, she aint hurrin yall. Secondly, I respect your service and all that jazz but seriously do you think calling the rest of us spineless cowards and telling me you need good shepards to watch your women folk will make anybody change their mind.

I feared if you went deep enough we would unfortunately discover that you believe 911 was an inside job and you probably fear the buildaburg group and trilateralism and all the other CRAZY conspiracy theories you read on the net. If I had I i would talk you.

This crap started because of this type of crazy, fly off the handle even when nobody is attacking ranting and raving. Can you step back and read your own words and tell me you wouldn't be worried about a person like you getting loose with explosives? I dont know why im wasting my breath, you are only going to think im wering blinders too. All I can say ri you is im still praying for your safe return from overseas but I also seriously believe that you should seek some counsel once you come back home. Not like  a psych even but just a friend to talk to or a pastor you respect.
 
America is the greatest nation on the planet and still a beacon of liberty, a shining city on a hill. I hope one day you'll stop and realize that

 t-bob i amm hm, and i aint callin everybody spinless. there are some good ones out there but then there are some spineless. i work with 3 guy that i wouldnt trust with legos. any how. i dont need a shrink, or aything like that. i saw 1 when i was in the military and saw 1 during my va appointments. they atre the quacks not me.

Amen

Good, im very happy for you. Now can we please stop this ridiculous thread, I apologized to you for thinking you were the dude via pm and I believe even in public. Now you and Landon are telling Dinah that she's wearing blinders and spineless and apparently stupid because she believes the govt?!?!?!

I hear lots of people who think  like you call in late night talk shows and Im smart enough to know I'll never change your mind, but may i ask that out of respect for a nice lady and because this thread was hijacked for your first reply, please kill this thread!!!!!!! Let it go already

I agree with what you say...but to play the devils advocate here... >:D ........i would have to say that The Crusades brought about arguably the biggest social change in the history of the world...and that was VERY BLOODY! 

I typed a whole page response and just erased the whole thing. Mainly because I don't feel the need to defend my opinions.

All that I can say is I see civil wars on tv every day in third world countries and one group over throws the govt. that they oppose. Then a year later the group that was defeated re groups and over throws the new govt.  Those countries are never going to be at peace and I don't want to live like that. It seems that with those people, they guys with the biggest weapons are always the ones in control. I hope that America will remain a civilized country and handle their problems in a civilized manner.

T-Bob, thank you.   

When I was young and very impressionable I was involved in all the government is bad and evil movements you could find it went along until an agent from the FBI in Oklahoma city paid me a visit one day  :o.

 Years later after some real world lessons from life I attended the Federal Police Academy in Artesia New Mexico, trained along side the Secret Service, Border Patrol, US Marshals and my group Bureau of Indian Affairs. These other men and I were bound to go to places in the US Government and some in very high ranking positions where they would be deeply involved in government service, NONE of us sat around and plotted evil on the citizens of this country, nor did we have any diabolical plans to take people firearms away, nor did we ever go through any brain washing.

BUT here is what we did do, stood up every damn day and swore that we would fight to defend this country and the constitution and all it stood for, swore to protect YOU no matter the cost. Trained about Civil Rights until we were sick, all so your rights would not be infringed on in any way what so ever. what I saw and found on the federal level was great people working very hard to be great Americans knowing it was a thankless job, that people thought you were " The Man " and evil brainwashed fed's. We prayed together, pledged to the Us Flag together told stories about our little country home towns together. Our hand to hand combat instructor was a retired Navy Seal, he taught us about what it meant to fight and defend this country. Guess what he was not evil either, had not been taught or trained about any top secret evil " NEW WORLD ORDER "  But was a guy who grew up in a small town in the midwest, son of a farmer. He had taken a decent # of lives of radicals to defend us and would have gave his life so you could have the right to believe all the WWW. hype you can stand

I won't go any further cause some won't believe me anyway but let me say this. I have been close enough to the core of both sides, the Militia movement, and years later the Federal Government. Hear me please the Government is not, is not, is not secretly trying to get you or your guns, 95% are regular folks like you and me who love America and just go to work and come home every day. They try to do there best for you despite all the red tape. You have more to fear from a private lawyer than you do the US Government, if your really so worried about the state of the union here is an Idea.  STOP TYPING AND GO RIGHT THIS SECOND AND GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS, RUN FOR SOME OFFICE, CHECK IT OUT YOUR SELF AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. YOU WILL FIND THE BIG BAD WOLF DON'T RESIDE IN OUR GOVERNMENT JUST IN THE MINDS OF A FEW WELL MEANING FOLKS  

I did not call anyone out on being spineless and dj I don't mean to so call you out I ment it more as an example sorry I sounded that way I was tired when I typed last night.  Guys I'm in no way calling for civil war that would do us more harm than it would ever do good but what I'm trying to get at is people need to step back and get the whole picture in view and see we need some major change because the direction we are headed does not look good for later generations.  I do not mean to offend anyone and if I do or did I'm sorry I just want to keep this country great and am afraid we are on the wrong track to keep it that way the way it is now. 

 All is well.  :)

good deal thanks

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I want to give  examples of how things should not be done...and how they should be done...JMO

Let's say we all agree that the world is over populated and one reason is that the poor countries do not have the funds for birth control or whatever reason. The other reason is due to greed...More people equals more demand than supply... more demand equals to more money and the big money folks will make a killing and these guys have the funds to lobby the politicians...and this will stimulate the economy and all is good for a little while until it gets out of balance. The few are getting richer and the working class are slowly losing ground on their standard of living. This creates unrest/anger and a mob forms and they start looking for someone to blame...and that someone is innocent but this mob is looking for a scape goat...and this will eventually create war. The mob is looking at a symptom but not the root cause...

The radical way to fix this is through war and many will suffer and die.


In my mind the right way is through education and in incentive programs to deal with the population issue. It wouldn't happen overnight but it would happen.

I believe that once a child is born that we should do everything we can to raise him/her in the right environment and give them the tools to be a successful grown up... that one day contributes to society instead of taking from society...

I don't mind paying taxes for the right reasons...but we need a system in place that will take us to a better quality of life for the majority and not the rich minority. AND IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH EDUCATION AND THROUGH CREATING THE LAWS THAT WILL GET US THERE AS WELL AS VOTING IN THE RIGHT POLITICIANS IN GOVERNMENT.

THERE SHOULD BE A LAW AGAINST BIG MONEY LOBBYING SO THAT THE WORKING CLASS CAN HAVE EQUAL SAY...

YOU MIGHT THINK THAT THIS POST DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT BUT IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT....JUST LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE...

Dub for president.   ;D

I agree reuben but my question/fear is it too late through education but what needs to happen in the near future?  One issue would be the national debt we wait for education to kick in we will be that much deeper.

Group hug, come on you too. It is group hug time.

Now I will say there are people trying to take your rights away. They are the lawyers. Not the cops.

Go read the Constitution before you claim to defend it. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

It says "A well regulated Militia..." Not a child molester that wants to shoot cops.

i second the motion, dub for president... popo

if he is a child molester , wanting to stick it to the government , using the term militia , or american ... he  deserves worse than our government will give him .

Is he a child molester?

is he still breathing?

   circle c thats what i'm wondering too

Cild molestation is what they charged him with and he was supposed to go to court. I doubt they made that up. They could just charge him with weapons charges if they want to make something up. You have to have some young girl come forward and accuse him of molesting her. You can't really make that up. Some girl can lie but I don't think the gov would do it. Too many other things that are easier to prove. He is claiming the gov is out to get him. They may be out to get him but I believe the little girl.

Charge him as a domestic terrorist. They can get people to lie and then say they are undercover so they need to hide the identity. That would be how to "get him." But that little girl had to go to court and tell people what happened to her. So I don't see him as any thing else.

Dub, i beg to differ on a girl making it up. Iv seen it in the military in my own unit. Both accounts, the man was charged, tried and found not guilty. The step daughter recanted he acusations. It boild down to the new wife getting mad, talked her daughter into making a complaint. If this guy did it, then punish him, but i thought in america, we are innocent UNTILL proven guilty. I dispise rapists and molester and think they need to hav their twig and berries ripped off n done the way they did their victims, but untill tried and convicted, they are still innocent. We as a society are to fast to jump to conclusions and believe the media hype, before knowing the truth or circumstance

I said i was done, but yall are getting unrealistic. WHO ever said this guy was guilty of ANYTHING. ive yet to read that part. and yes in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. however, in order to be proven guilty or innocent, you must stand trial. In order to stand trial you must first be arrested, formally charged, and arrainged by a magistrate. If the turd head is on the run then none of the above has happened. I bet it was your kid that he molested (if he did at all) you would have a different outlook.

Im not calling anyone out, but there are people on here that want to talk about "due process" when they dont have a clue what they are talking about. One of my close friends and ex-partner had to shoot a meth-headed punk yesterday morning while trying to serve a warrant. he has a two year old and one on the way and was forced to make a decision that most of everybody on here has never had to make. so untill you deal with scum of the earth on a daily basis, dont judge the ones of us that do. the ones that wear a target over our hearts for fifteen bucks an hour. I have had to run to the rescue of people and suck it up and help them at that time when two days before they cussed me up one side and down the other and spit in my face because they didnt think they DESERVED a ticket. nobody likes the police untill they need the police. what the hell would this country be without police. think about that for a minute.

i get so sick and tired of hearing people whine and cry about how the police are just picking on them. well, if you werent breaking the law, you wouldnt have nothing to worry about. yall got me on my soap box early this morning...lol

U r very right bailey. If ur breaking the law, suck it up n face consiquinces. Yaw hav a difficult job for few dollars, just as the soldiers. Thank u for ur service.

X2

If my info is right the complaint started with the mad soon to be ex wife.

I have no doubt..i have seen similar cases of the wrongfully accused. however, they still have to go through the process in proving themselves innocent. Just because its a scorn woman that files the complaint, doesnt make it just go away. what if she IS NOT lying.

Seems kinda backwards to me....   I guess it's no different than being sued, someone can sue you for anything, then you have to defend yourself.


There needs to be some type of reform for lawsuit abuse, as well as false accusations.

I say if someone makes a false accusation, then they get the proposed jail term that the accused would have had.

There is. Its called perjury

Bailey508,

    Isn't perjury lying in a judicial proceeding?  Or does perjury apply in other scenarios too?

What happens to the woman that falsely accuses a man of rape. The DA charges the guy, then she rescinds her accusation. It never goes to court, so she does not perjure herself.... all the while the guy has still been accused of rape, and that's all the public remembers.

I've got some LEO friends that have to really cover their behinds when dealing with females, for just that reason. Just the accusation would ruin their career.

x2...I have seen false accusations where the innocent really can't prove their innocence....

I work with a man now that it cost him 17,000 dollars and several months in jail before he was able to prove it wasn't him. He was lucky to have enough evidence to prove his innocence...Sometimes the accused are guilty until proven innocent.

perjury does "mostly" deal with a formal proceeding. Texas covers us with a charge of giveing a false statement to a peace officer. you can ask all your LEO friends and they will tell you the same...get it all in writing. once she puts it on a sworn statement and signs it. it had better be true. if you prove it to be an intentional distruth, charges are filed. I worked for a sheriff once that when someone would come in and complain on the deputies, which are usually bogus to begin with. he wouldnt take the complaint unless they wrote it out on a sworn statement and signed it. most of them would retract their complaint before making it. if you sign a statement and its a lie, you just commited a felony.

Something as big as a rape accusation would normally go before a grand jury for a sealed indictment rather than getting a normal warrant. if the accuser testifies before a grandjury in order to charge the accused and lies, its perjury. if a police officer lies under oath, its aggravated perjury. where is the injustice their...lol

im not saying we have a perfect judicial system. not even close. hell take the casey anthony trial for example. i couldnt figure out how any redblooded American could have called her innocent (soley my opinion). but at the same time, as technology gets bigger and better, mainly because of the use of DNA, we are starting to see people getting out of prison who where wrongfully convicted years ago. but what do you do, who do you blame, do you blame the twelve jury members that listened to the evidence and defense brought forth and had to make a decision. so what do you do for these people. give them some money and an "im sorry". thats a slap in the face, you cant get the time back. I agree its a flawed system, but its a hell of alot better than what most other places have or not having any system in place.

That makes sense.  I think the change I would like to see, is that penalty for giving a false statement, should equal the penalty for the accused crime.  Or maybe just cut of their hand, or  a few toes... you know, just enough to make sure they tell the truth, :o

i agree with you CirlceC...I have always been an advocate for stiffer penalties for stuff like that.

give you an example of why it chaps me so bad....In the State of Texas if you have EVER been convicted of ANY charge of family violence you cannot purchase nor posses a firearm. Thats fine and good, except.....(and i have seen this happen dozens of times)

you (not being anyone inparticular) and your wife get into an argument. Neighbors hear yall and call the law. I (or any other officer) shows up to investigate. Pissed off wife says you shoved her. She writes out a statement declaring this is true. I am forced to arrest you, State of Texas says that I HAVE TO. its a class C misd. same degree charge as a speeding ticket. Now, you being the good ole boy that spends his days working and weekends hunting and aint never been in any trouble before is in jail. here comes good ole boy justice of the peace and arraigns you. tells you that their is a $500 fine for assault family violence, but since you spent the night in jail if you just plea guilty he will show time served and you get to pack up and leave for free. sounds good. you sign the papers and walk out the door.

you plead guilty to a family violence charge. you will NEVER buy another firearm or be able to legally posses one....yes its a flawed system

anti-gunners probably pushed for that one...

you probably right but it aint just them. there is thousands of family violence activist out thers that push this stuff.

Accusations of child molestation and fire arms/destructive device wrong doings... wow sounds just like federal claims before the Branch Davidians were burned alive. I think if the ATF were "investigating" me I'd hoof it too. And once the FBI gets involved, there is no telling whose wife they are going to shoot and whose children they'll burn alive. Pardon some of us for being leery of large over powered federal police forces. I do not think the federal government is evil. Its just too big and inhuman. Its agencies are vast bloated organizations run by beaurocrats. By their very nature they WILL trample over individuals.

im sure if the ATF was investigating you, they had a reason to.

Theres two answers to this question.  1.. people that obtain them legally are very seldom the people who go off the deep end.  I know a guy hat has a private range (couple thousand yards) who has just about everything imaginable (except a chain gun  :-[) and i love going out there and shooting with him.  His wife got a BS injunction when they were going through a divorce and four of us had to go out there to colelct his arms.  It took THREE yes 3 moving trucks JUST FOR THE AMMO.  Took hours.  He made us coffe, offered lunch and HELPED.  So no honest people dont bother me.

2.  Guns off the street.  YES THIS ONE BOTHERS ME!  These are the people who shoot anything and everything.  

So its really a two sided coin.

Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.

This one goes to your earlier post:

For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing.  Romans 13:4

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Caught him!!!! Everybody safe, prayers answered. Now let the dude stand in court to face his accusers, that is the American way.

ARE YOU EFFING SERIOUS! You are a zealot for your side if you think federal agencies don't act on bogus intel, mistreat people, and ruin lives through botched investigations. The whole ATF investigation of the Branch Davidians was based on bad intel and over zealous agents. Statements such as the one you just made to me are the reason a large section of citizens no longer trust those that are supposed to be defending us! There are people who are so anti government they cannot see reason and think clearly. And there are those who are so pro law enforcement and biased for their side they cannot admit to any wrong doing on the part of those they see as their brothers. Its BS either way. The train of thought of if you aren't doing anything illegal you have nothing to be afraid of is total crap. It leads to abuse of power. Always has and always will. Pardon me for wanting to live in a free land and not feel like I should be afraid because I'm a veteran and have differing views from the establishment. You have insinuated sir that if I should ever happen to run afoul of a federal law enforcement organization I have whatever they do coming to me. Guilty by accusation alone. Well played.

I don't have a clue if he did it or not.
"Dyer – a former Marine accused of raping a 7-year-old girl in his home state – was wanted by the FBI for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution."

If you are not guilty you stand up like a man in court not running like a coward. But he is in jail again now and I bet he does not get bail.

I hope he is not guilty for the sake of the seven year old girl. But he is no hero for any cause.

I personally think he was using the matitia thing to help him on the run. But only God, that man, and the seven year old little girl know for sure.

well sir, i dont know you or your history. but by reading the above statement i can clearly see that you and i will just have to agree to disagree. i have no intentions of arguing with you. i am clearly outgunned. your wit and knowlege of the branch dividians supersedes my thirteen years of experience in law enforcement. i apologize if any investigation that i might have ever taken part in caused you any inconvenience. in the event that you are ever in need of law enforcement, i suggest that you call your local theif, crackhead, or child molestor and ask for their assistance. Im sure that they would love to help.

Just an FYI, God DID NOT institute the United States Government and to think he did is downright ludicrious! That statement is downright humorous!!!  So is God "instituting" the US Government to remove prayer from school? Is God instituting that his prayer and name be left off of every federal, building, document , etc...???

Breaking news out of Fort Bend County TX

Charles Dyer the wanted fugitive and absconder of justice has been captured near an elementary school near sugarland TX in his possession were 2 dogo de Argentinas and a hyped up FBMC yella dog  >:D

SEE they were not RPG...just DOGO's  :laugh:

No doubt there is still some good law inforcement out there, but theres plenty of them that are crooks / a$$holes too... The police are suppose to " be your friend " , but in many officers case, thats a bunch of crap.... they try to find anything they can find to pin on you so they can write you a ticket / take you to jail, etc etc.... Most dont have the slightest care for you, just getting their paycheck and showing us " whos boss " .. Theres still a few in my area that i have respect for, and an occasional one i run across elsewhere, but most i care nothing for...

The authority that God instituted isnt the same as the authority in todays society.... IMO

I served 9 years military law enforcement. Honorbaly discharged. Never served any jail time. Never even had a speeding ticket until last year. So your various attempts to denigrate those that don't believe in the absolute power of federal governmet is offensive to me. I'm an American citizen. I demand accountability from those that make a living off my taxes. I am not anti police. Fa from it. I support the police who do their job correctly. I support federal law enforcement when they do not exceed the bounds of their power. But if you're a cop or a fed that does things the shady way or is just incompetent then you have no business in law enforcement. I feel the same way about politicians and teachers. I am anti usurper of power. I am anti anyone who tries to take away my rights and freedoms. The military, the police, teachers, politicians are ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve us. Not the other way around. Honor those that do their job the right way and get rid of those that don't. Seems reasonable to me.

alright here is how i see it.  evey human being operates on a system of beliefs. everyone believes in something. it makes no sense for all of us to sit here and argue about our beliefs. im not going to change your minds and your not going to change mine. some folks may believe the same as you and some may not. im not going to judge you on your beliefs as long as you dont judge me on mine. as for this thread, i think it has went on way longer than it should have and i admitt that i am partly to blame. may be time for Mike to just lock it.

The authority that God instituted isnt the same as the authority in todays society.... IMO
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God cannot be found in the governments of today in any way shape or form, and therein lies the problem. 

you did alot better job of wording it than i did!  you are exactly right.....  ;)

Well I would recommend reading your Bible. So are you telling me God is not in charge of this world?

Job 1:8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

Job 38:1 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm. He said:
 2 “Who is this that obscures my plans
   with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
   I will question you,
   and you shall answer me.
...

... Job 40:3 Then Job answered the LORD:

 4 “I am unworthy—how can I reply to you?
   I put my hand over my mouth.
5 I spoke once, but I have no answer—
   twice, but I will say no more.”

 6 Then the LORD spoke to Job out of the storm:

 7 “Brace yourself like a man;
   I will question you,
   and you shall answer me.

 8 “Would you discredit my justice?
   Would you condemn me to justify yourself?
...

Job 42:1 Then Job replied to the LORD:
 2 “I know that you can do all things;
   no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
   Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
   things too wonderful for me to know.

 4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
   I will question you,
   and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you
   but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
   and repent in dust and ashes.”

 Job 42:12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job’s life more than the former part. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job’s daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.

 16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so Job died, an old man and full of years.


This is the oldest book in the Bible. I have found a place that is clearly wrong. If it wrong then there is no God because it says God spoke these words.
Job 38: 16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
   or walked in the recesses of the deep?

I remember in school I was taught the seas are filled from the rivers,streams, and rain. There are no spring at the bottom of the sea so there is no God. Oh wait a minute I am getting a call. Oops I guess I was wrong. In 1977 a few thousand years at least since the book of Job was written it appears springs were found "In 1977, scientists discovered hot springs at a depth of 2.5 km, on the Galapagos Rift (spreading ridge) off the coast of Ecuador. This exciting discovery was not really a surprise. Since the early 1970s, scientists had predicted that hot springs (geothermal vents) should be found at the active spreading centers along the mid-oceanic ridges, where magma, at temperatures over 1,000 °C, presumably was being erupted to form new oceanic crust. More exciting, because it was totally unexpected, was the discovery of abundant and unusual sea life -- giant tube worms, huge clams, and mussels -- that thrived around the hot springs." Citing the United States Government http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dynamic/exploring.html

I think you better trust the word of God more than your own words without wisdom. You are wrong and I refer you to the Word of God as confirmed by science.

I think you misunderstood me, the governenment of this country has slowly turned away from God and that is a very bad thing, IMO. Examples, NO prayer in schools, No referring to God in anything having to do with the federal government.  God is in charge of this world, but the goverment of this country is moving away from his presence as we speak, so the statement that God and the federal government are one is absolute BS!!!!  The government has/is doing everything in its power to remove God from our lives.  That is a fact!  I think that maybe the interpretation of Romans 13: 2 is getting lost here. God did not mean for us to bow down to every form of authoritative rule. The government is not living by God's law therefore i dont think the word was intended to protect those like the government.  IMO God was not referring to the corrupt, injust and downright hateful political machine that is now the government of this country. But everyone interprets things differently.

And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Just to be clear slimhogdog that was not an attack on you. I love those verses because they help me. I do believe this country has turned from God but I don't think it was a surprise to God. I believe everything is in God's hands and there are things I can change and things I can't. But nothing is beyond what God can change if he wants.

2 Chronicles 7:13 “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people, 14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

AMEN!!!!!!!

I like the way you think.Iv been in a couple deferent forms of law enforcement for the past 8 years and iv seen pretty much all sides( state and fedrel ) and the whole system is F up. Alot of politics.

SGT.Davis,

I agree with you, machine73 has some good points. It is reasonable and logical, IMO...

I know there are bad cops and they say most are good. But I saw a man lose his career because he arrested the wrong man. Oh he was guilty and everyone knew it. The coo was the only one on the force that cared about the law more than the family the criminal was from. There was a conviction it took years but the family got their revenge and he was fired as a cop. Of course you could not prove it. But he was the only cop in the whole city (not Houston) that would arrest the man for his repeated obvious crimes. So was it mostly good or bad cops. How many coos would make that sacrifice he will never be called a hero. There are people in this country that have way too much power. I am not saying I would not be scared too.

Bailey, it seems to me that u think ur poo dont stink. I will have to retract my thanks to for being s LEO, and from some of ur posts, i think i may get better police service from my locals crackhead and his dealers. As far as having children, yes i hav i kid n if somt nut case shot the school up bc he/she was mad at a teacher and my son got killed, then it was his time. I wouldnt be mad a dumba$$ n be mad at the gun or rpg as u keep refering to, i would be mad at the person who did it in most cases. I guess ur the type cop who thinks yaw are the only 1s who own/posess any full or surpressed weapons. I guess u want to keep the americans gun rights opressed to only shotguns, huntn rifles n sport pistols. I cant speak for evry person out the, but im goin through the legal means to get my silencers n full autos, just to say i have them, but if if i have to use them, i will. Machine73, its ok. Some think they hav to bully others to prove they are a man, they must lack in other areas of life, hopefully the Leo population dont turn to legalized crime no more than they already.

I think Bailey and everybody else on here probably realizes that there are crooked, sneaky, and untruthful law enforcement and other goverment officials. This argument started by people saying, he was running because the crooked law enforcement scared him but you don't run unless you are guilty. Plain and simple.

You obviously read as poorly as you type. You apparently missed my answer about full auto firearms, and yes my "poo" stinks. I am very aware.

 i read very well and was using my phone i dont like spelling whole words out unless i have to, speling aint my strongest, but im sure ur not perfect yourself.by the way, what county, city do you patrol? i just want to make sure and not go through your area, you seem to swing both sides of the fence as far as law goes and dont want to get caught up in a crooked town or county, there is enough in my area as it is.

God bless you Charles. I'm done with this conversation.

If the US government can aassasinate it's own president and then successfully cover up the entire deed, they pretty much have the power to do anything they want to anyone they want  ;) Unfortunately

 very well said warrent423. im not the only 1 that is crazy ;D ;D ;D ;D

Charles, I apologize for implying your crazy. Im sure we'd get along just fine in person. You seem to be just a guy who is concerned for the health of this republic. It was wrong of me to lose my cool, so agree to disagree on a few things.

 t-bob, aint no feeling hurt here on my end. I can get along with nearly every1. ur good people in my book. polotics aint a good subject for any1, not even the poloticians themselves. i have a alligator x dillar x rino thick skin, i get hot headed, but i had to grow tough skin to live with my dad rasing me by himself since i was 2 till i was 18 when i joined the army.

dang  charles we aint but a few that can admit we AINT right always  ;D
it amazes me when then badge is always right ,no matter even after they are proven NOT right or but never WRONG.BUT WE HAVE HAVE TO PROVE we are not wrong cause we dont have  STINKING BADGES

Not everyone can be right all the time like me. rolleyes

Yea dub, it ducks bein right all the time. I hav that complex too

I thought I made one mistake in my younger days but then I found out I was wrong because it turned out I was right. ??? :)