EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I see the yella dogs going thru the same thing the catahoulas went through about 10 to 15 years ago. Pups are being mass produced, young unproven dogs (and culls :o) are being bred and people are buying them up like hotcakes... all because they're "yella".

I've been noticing this over the past few years... y'all seeing the same thing?

I think all dogs go through it. Look at lacys,dogo,etc.
  Kind of like how a lot of people are looking to breed bird dog into their cur dogs. Money to be made so people are going to breed some yellow dogs.

It has already happened.
They have "Foundation" ladner or weatherford ben puppies for sale in every newspaper, penny pincher, feed store bulletin board and wal-mart parking lot anywhere you go around here..

I was thinking the same thing

Thats funny where do you live???

That's the way good dogs get ruined, I see the catahoula being ruined by bay pens and glass eye's and the BMC being ruined by the $. There will always be true dog men who keep, work and breed the better dogs but there harder to find than most people think. I think the really good line of dogs are rarely if not never for sale on the WWW or the  free paper cause " Good "  dogs sell there self to good dog men and good dogs are busy working, not producing 3 litters a year from the same gyp. It's just as tough to find really good BMC, hounds, heelers and Catahoulas around here for sale, the good one have homes before there ever born.

how is a cat ruined by the bay pen if it was bred to work in the pen? just asking. i know when i breed for the woods i want what works for the woods. im sure the folks who run in the pens breed for what works in the pens. if there heart is truely into what there doen. i feel like i know one of the best all around dog men of my life, he started in the woods but do to an accident he now works his dogs in the pens and is one of the greats the way i understand it. his dog of choice is a black and tan CAT. his wife on the other hand is one of the top women in the bay pen world and she loves her some good cur dogs.

BIG CHRIS I'm talking about people breeding Catahoulas for the bay pen and nothing else, no cattle, no hogs in the woods and they don't have any nose now and no hunt to them, that's how. They were once a woods working ranch type dog, now so many are bred to bay in a pen and nothing else, well except looks.

I know there are some sure enough working Catahoulas still out there but the Bay pen trend is hurting the breed as a whole in my honest opinion.

Very well put Waylon! I for one have jumped on the yella dog bandwagon but have been fortunite enough to do it with real honest dog men surrounding me.

so if i buy a yella dog, will i catch more hogs?

If you buy the RIGHT yella dog you may, same as if you buy the right cat, or any other breed of dog. The person you deal with when getting a dog  is a lot more important than the breed..

" so if i buy a yella dog, will i catch more hogs? "

Come on man, no one is saying that. Hell a hound may catch more than both. A good dog is a good dog no matter there color. If we went back to the old old days when both Catahoulas and BMC were only owened and used by working people there probably wasn't a nickles worth of difference in the two breeds except color. No one is trying to slam Catahoulas or say yeller dogs are better as a breed, though my personal opinion is that I my self see a higher percent of working dogs in the yeller breed over the catahoula, but you might go 100 miles from me either way and the oppisite may be true

i know, i just had to throw that question in their.....i aint buying nothing....what i got is payed for and working just fine....aint none of em yella either... ;D

" i know, i just had to throw that question in their.....i aint buying nothing....what i got is payed for and working just fine....aint none of em yella either... "

Well great cause I ain't selling anything and I'm super tickled your dogs make you happy, even if they ain't yeller  ;)

There's good dogs in all breeds... I like HOG DOGS, regardless of color.

I just see the yella dog as the new fad... everybody wants one.

Waylon, the catahoulas were ruined years ago... that's why it's so hard to find good ones these days.

Whoa Now, let's not get carried away and start making insane assumptions..   ;D

 " Waylon, the catahoulas were ruined years ago... that's why it's so hard to find good ones these days. "

well Mike when did they ruin the black mouth Dog cause they ain't all super stars either  :D and that's me just being 100% honest

I think they all need a nation wide culling and lets get'em back to what they were born for, working dogs. that's my plan any way, cull hard and make no excuses.

chainrated, sorry it kinds slipped out all unexpected like

"There's good dogs in all breeds... I like HOG DOGS, regardless of color."
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Only if you buy full blood Yellow BMCs w/ papers that go back to atleast 47% W. Ben    ;)

x3 thats why i have a mixed pack.

prob gotta have a certain amount of black on the mask also... >:D

Only if you buy full blood Yellow BMCs w/ papers that go back to atleast 47% W. Ben

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prob gotta have a certain amount of black on the mask also...


Well I'm screwed cause none of mine have papers and only 2 pups even have any black on there face. Guess I better hit the dog trade and find some of them doubleglass eyed devils.  >:D

What the hell first Dogo's now yellow dogs I cant win for nothing what is a man to do lol  >:D >:D >:D

i thought about buying one of every breed, that way i always fit in... ;)

I can't believe somebody aint already breeding for    "Foundation"  "Double Glass Eyed"  Yella dogs.
Talk about some "Jam Up" HOGDOGS

Not much you can do.... Just keep feeding them Mufasas and pretend they are worth a crap....  ;D  :P

Wow ok. I love my pretend life with my pretened dogs I guess will just keep stacking pretened pork in the freezer lol  :angel:

Just as a blind squirrel finds an occasion acorn, a Dogo bays an occasional shoat ....  ;D

dogo baying?

Most people dont know cur dogs come in other colors? ;D

Did you expect something else?   ???  :laugh:

You better back off tiny you have a better chance at getting by with talking about my wife than you do my dogs I am just saying !!  popo

Y'all stay on track... there's good dogs in every breed.

It just amazes me how these dog fads come and go. I can't tell you how many i've seen on the dog trade people selling what they have... going to all yella dogs. Or pups being bred on their first heat, whole litters for sale, folks buying them up. Why... because they're yella?

Now, there are some long lines of yella dogs out there that have been worked, bred and culled for many years... I commend those folks for their time and dedication.

Now, there are some long lines of yella dogs out there that have been worked, bred and culled for many years... I commend those folks for their time and dedication.

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I say that to all the breeders, no matter your color or style of dogs

Yeah, but how many whole litters of these kind of dogs do you see in the dog trade?   ZERO!!!
Your lucky to even find a pup for sale out of a line of dogs like that....

Matt, don't you mean "jammed up"?

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Yeah, but how many whole litters of these kind of dogs do you see in the dog trade?   ZERO!!!
Your lucky to even find a pup for sale out of a line of dogs like that....
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Oh Yeah my bad Scott,  "jammed up" !  

You forgot they have to cost at least a grand as well. ;D

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Dont forget double dew claws and bobtaled 1000 yard strike dogs hunted on www ranch or as used by Aussie roo hunters!!!!

Next thing coming for the hog dog strains is AKC rare breed status so they can show them at the National Dog Show in Newt Yawk Cittee, here is the RareBreed Yellow Black Cur the dog legends and movies, books, reality shows, were made of hunting wild hogs in the southern United States before the radioactive hogfly that eliminated the wild hog population problemlol

Well the pups in this litter are on sale, 500 each or 900 for 2..... They have to move these pups because they have 4 more litters due anytime now...   :P

YES. It is a proven fact that it wil instantly improve your hunting experience from 35 to 110%  It also will help your vehicle with gas mileage!

Great question!   ;D

" YES. It is a proven fact that it wil instantly improve your hunting experience from 35 to 110%  It also will help your vehicle with gas mileage!

Great question!   ;) "

YELLOWBLACKMASK  it's About time you joined this fight, I was feeling backed into the corner  :D

Ya and the girls you an pick up with a box full of yellers will improve any single life

prob gotta have a certain amount of black on the mask also... >:D
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YES AGAIN!   There is also many studies coming out of prestigious colleges that shows a higher% of Yeller Black Masked dogs that help with broken familys, cure warts, and are usually responsible for the immediate culling of life long catahoula or bridle dogs.   8)

Ahhh,, So that's why you got all them yella dogs...   ;)

YES AGAIN!   There is also many studies coming out of prestigious colleges that shows a higher% of Yeller Black Masked dogs that help with broken familys, cure warts, and are usually responsible for the immediate culling of life long catahoula or bridle dogs.   8)
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now that is what I am talking about THATS THE KIND OF DOGS I AM LOOKING FOR!!!!!!!!!

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Ha ha ha... if that was the case, my yard would have been yella many moons ago. :P

In my years of expericanc with yeller dogs you have to cut the tail off and then you will have a good dog but you have to cut it in the right place
 most i have seen cut that tail offright behind the ears :laugh: :laugh:

awwww man  you dont how wrong you  are on that a good looking catahoula will load up the gals 3-1 over a yellar cur anyday
     Dexter

Even peachcreek has moved over to team yella!!!!
Sorry Travis had to throw you under the bus. What about you Dex? When are you going to get some yella dogs everyone is doing it.
I even got Mr. Mason to hold my yella dogs and took some pictures just so I could get all of the cat guys the get on team YELLA!!!  >:D >:D >:D

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WHAT OTHER COLOR IS THERE BESIDES YELLOW!!!!! >:D >:D >:D

Yep, it will take 3 of the girls that the yella dogs pick up to equal the 1 girl for the catahoulas!!

them big ugly catahoulas will have the big ugly girls all over you....  ;D

I hold  3 yellars in my hand
 1 a jordan gyp 5 months
 1 a wrights male 4 months
 1 wrights male 2 yr old
but i dont  beat up people who own yellars cause i have owned great dogs and took out the trash  in both catahoulas and ybmc
 we have three dogos and a lacy cut gyp
my grandaddy have Curs leopard and lacys growing up and these dogs about raised me

and as with any dog in this yard the must work to my likings or they will not stay here..

Now, there are some long lines of yella dogs out there that have been worked, bred and culled for many years... I commend those folks for their time and dedication.
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Yeah, but how many whole litters of these kind of dogs do you see in the dog trade?   ZERO!!!
Your lucky to even find a pup for sale out of a line of dogs like that....
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 x3 I put in over a years worth of hunting 3-4 days a week for Bigo and Skoalbandit before I was given a pup and no amount of $ could buy that ugly lil gyp from me. Its a honor having a pup from them, only a select few get the chance to. You want a family line bred yella dog you have to put the work in to it.

May I ask who the jordan pup came from?

Man Dex Dogos and yella dogs!!!! man your sure are anking for it lol!!!

Yeah if this is the kind of girls you lookin for to improve your single life..   ;)

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 heres 2 of the three yellars  the third is almost ready for his showing after about 20 pounds of wieght gain
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BigBen
 M Henderson in colman texas  shes the one with the orange collar

Tomball Dogo
 Hell at 50 years old , the last thing I worry about is what soe of these lil pissheads think, Most of them wasnt a wet dream in there daddys head yet when I started
     Dexter

Chain you had a typo you ment cats and that girl in the pic is sure ugly but T-will just sent me a PM and said she sure looked fexable and he would be all over that!!! something is wrong with him because she look a little like a man!!! lmao

i want to see the landing picture

And that's why you still have Warts! ;)

ya them spots and strips have their vision blurred so bad they cant tell the diffrence between man and women SAD DAY

Mike it is getting deep where is cutter at lol

Well mister, if you want to tell everyone what i told you in a PRIVATE MESSAGE, i will let them know the TRUTH!!

I said " she sure does have a pretty mouth " and :


Please learn how to read and tell the truth!!!!  ;D  >:D

But look at who has a keepsake pic of him..... a catahoula guy...... figures...   ;D  :P

aww
 twillie dont be jealous one of these day when you grow up, you to can handle and own a dogo,
I think i hear your Momma calling you for nap time
        

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Well i thought about getting a dogo.... ive been looking for a good mule to hunt off of, but thought about getting a dogo to ride instead since they are almost the same size... but then i decided i would stick to a mule because i wanted something that would actually go to a bay!!  :P

I think i hear the nursing home assistant calling for your nap time too.... so just hollar at me after you wake up and they change your depends!!  ;D 

yeah
 my nurse is coming to call
 but i damn sure earned it and way past the pampers and binky :laugh: :laugh:

from pampers and binky to depends and oxygen..... all those years wasted with catahoulas and dogos....  :'(  :D

okies
 gentleman and kidos
          time for me to get my depends changed and my balls powdered
 Yall play nice  and fair so ADMIN dont have to put yall in 
 time out
 Adios
Dexter


NURSE A  BEER  :P

Lets get ready to rumbel!!!

 :D

Chain has been mad ever since I told him I was happily married. I think he was trying to get with me so he could finally hunt behind good dogs. Just saying.


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Big Game Blueticks

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here is one of those none proven parents never hunted 47% ben pups that cost a grand
but while u passed on buying one and wasted your money on something else and still dont have a dog I will be catching hogs with my yellers all day long

Y'all have come up with four pages of bs and no one has mentioned the gaurantee!

 ;D

That is a fine looking pup

Hunt "behind'' a bluetick? LOL... Is standing still considered huntin in FL ?

I thought this was a Yeller dog rally point. To root out all non believers and skeptics.  :laugh:

Ok I have had my fun now to getting serious with this thread.

I will have to agree with the founding post in some manner. I do truthfully believe that most of the Yeller strains are being watered down considerably. Same as a decade or so ago. Hog hunting and bay penning blew up and got huge. Everyone in my little town that had a tree or fence post had a yellerdog tied to it. Everyone started breeding anything they could and completly diluted the old lines that alot had came from. When the pens started catching hell all the tourists sold out and flooded the market with crossed up yellowish junk. Unfourtunatly that still holds true today as the majority of the dogs being handled. Very few individuals weathered the storm sort of speaking by keeping their lines or others long term lines straight.
Marketing I believe has also hurt the line holders reputation and in some ways given a bad taste in alot of folks mouths. But I completely respect their god given right to do so. They only get that big money because SOMEBODY pays it. Sorry folks but I can't be mad at the breeder for that its just plain ole good business.  

So in hind sight I regretfully agree that the jest of all popular breeds not just my preferred Yeller dogs have suffured from dilution of the breed and improper breeding decisions along with the true hard hearted if you will art of CULLING what don't work.

That is for sure a fine lookin pup airduster...

Does a pup that's only 40% foundation ben still cost a grand or do you get a discount ?

Airduster,

Sorry if my comment offended you. It was not directed ar you or anyone else in particular for that matter. There are folks like you who have hunting foundation bred dogs, and i'm sure are producing fine dogs that are worth every penny. But for every one of you there's five scam artist just try to make a buck. These are the ppl the jokes were intended for.

Great looking pup

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Myles... you understand. ;)

Maybe so ...but you still have warts! :-*   Get some Mo Yella n yo Culla.  

well its like yeller said its buisness and the money I put on them isnt alway consistant with a precentage its usually a certin stran or cross there are a few dogs in our world that has made big names for them selves and then the mass of people thats had or hunted behind the offspring of these dogs go crazy to have one or just plain have to have one to keep up with the jonse's so to say just the last couple yrs have I resorted to the www lets face it it is the way of today and I live in easter nm where I use to like in east tx ya I have many repeat customers but I always have a few pups around to sale also and the economy isnt that great we have noticed this year more than any thing

no this isnt offinsive its part of it no matter what breed you have there will always be something
and I agree I hate the jockys or joe breeds a a ben dog to so and so s cat then to some other mut and still those offspring are advretised as ben dogs ???? 

 Anytime there is an opportunity to capitalize on a dog fad someone is going to do it. It's not gonna change.. And some people don't even realize what they're doing. I know a lady that breeds ladner dogs and ben dogs and sells whole litters.. She truly believes all the BS she was told about the ones she breeds and she thinks all the ones in the litters she sells are gonna be just like that because they are off a certain dog or line of dogs or papered right. She is a very nice lady and takes great care of her dogs but she has no clue what kind of culling and hunting it takes to maintain the traits in those dogs that she thinks they will all have..
And I'm in no way singleing out BMCs because there are just as many sorry dogs of every other breed, especially cats..
A few times just out of curiosity I have called different people with big write up ads for all different types of papered up cur dogs  and asked them what percentages of the pups they raise usually make dogs and 99% of them will say something like Oh my dogs are very healthy , I hardly ever have any of my pups die.
It's all about who you deal with when getting a dog and a lot less about any specific breed..

Why wouldn't it still be a "Ben' dog?

it is, but only about 19.579248%      ;)  ;D

i gotta ?... everyones fighting over bmc's being better then cat's or cats better then bmc.... well the ? is whats really the difference between them? after all Black Mouth Curs and Catahoula Curs are both curs..

there really not a diffrence just what people like and prefer there is good and bad in all breeds and diffrent people have better luck with diffrent breeds

i really wasnt sure.. just like people will fight about which pits r the best.. blue, red, brindle, etc.... its just color to me... color dont make the dog, owner does... right?

Huge difference biggun. :o.  YELLA POWER!



But seriously Ill agree the whole cat vs ybm is basically trying to argue with a dead stump. Unless you just like to bicker or in my case pick...you go with what pleases you and that my friend is the best.  

You are right Jon they are both curs and about the only difference in them are the opinions of their owners..
And I was just joking around about it, I would hope a fight would be a little more exciting..  :)

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I guess I'll keep on having warts and keep on catching hogs... BLACK POWER!!!

Spotted, yella, brown or purple.. All dogs r exploited for money and that's just how it is... What I find more disturbing is that many many hunters breed junk and don't know it... When there is a hog under every rock it don't take much

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I agree with your post Mike. Yellow dogs seem to be the route most people are trying to go in these past few years. Especially on this site. It's interesting watching the dog trade evolve over these last 5 years..

Alot of people ask us why we don't hunt more yellow dogs, I just tell them cuz we wanna catch hogs :) jk I even have a decent yellow, that I don't mind feeding. He thinks he's black though, everytime we go he finds a mud hole and comes back any color but yellow, even he's trying to hide it

" BLACK POWER!!! "

Ha Ha never mind.......... maybe it just means something different up here in the Osage

Starting to wonder what these black dog owners are getting into! ;D

most true dog men don't care about the money...They care about identifying/selecting the top performers in the litter and then using this pup or pups in improving the bloodline and they try to place the other pups with someone who can breed back to their dogs if the dog meets his/her requirements/expectations.

I have seen the doberman , rottwieler, great dane, german shepard, red nosed pit, blue pit and a few other breeds get too popular and once this happens the breed goes south pretty quick.

Don't forget "Mountain Cur" !!!!    :D   :laugh:

your right... :o some suck. ;D

I read part of this thread this morning on the way to the job. Now its at 100 plus replies. I know there are more Lacys laying around in houses and back yards than there are earning a living as working dogs.

I probably got 50 friend requests on Facebook from mostly women with Catahoulas. I ask what they do with them and they just have them. The Illinois Catahoula Rescue has multiple dogs listed daily trying to find a hone for 'em because somebody some where got tired of having it.


I have several Brittanys in homes with kids that get little to no hunting. Most are considered hunter / companions. But I couls ell 10 females for every male and when I ask why, the answer is usually a bunch of stuttering nonsense. I know deep down they have an idea about breedi9ng her later on. To what? and get what? They havent a clue but they know they just paid me $550 for a pup and figure they can charge that too. Never mind I spent a lot of time selecting the parents, seeing how they hunt and handle before breeding them.

All of my BMC pup went to someone that will hunt them and tell me how they are doing. I had a couple ask about a pup that dont hunt and I told them he!! no.

Some one said it earlier, when a breed becomes a fad, it is hard on that breed. Breed 'em for color, markings, eye color, tails or no tails. And never worry about what they can or cant do. I am sorry, but fly ball is not earning a living for a dog.

Its a sad state of affairs, but what can be done?

You know the Mt Cur Association is on Facebook. And a lot of the members are women that just have them to have them too.

This is why I hunt Fla curs. They suit me and are NOT bred for color. They can be any color, bob tailed or long tailed, and most are too rough to be just "pets". They never caught on as fads here in Fla and many people don't even know they exist. Which is a good thing to me!

The people that "usually" have had them for years use the heck out of them. There are plenty of still wet behind the ears guys that are starting to hunt them, but the older guys that have been hunting and raising them for years know what they have and what the dogs are capable of.

They aren't world beaters and they are rough, but many will consistently produce hogs.

As far as the YBM and Catahoula breeds, I know a lot of good marketing went behind those breeds to make them popular.....and to generate big bucks for the breeders...............not to say there aren't good ones in both breeds (as much as that hurt to say...... ;D ), but I think a lot of litters have been made because someone had two YBM or Catahoula dogs in their yard. I don't usually even breed a dog until they are 4-5 years old and I know what they can do in the woods. I have lost some opportunities that way, but I have avoided some serious mistakes too.

Who hasn't seen a young dog that was a fireball at a year old and by three you can't pour him on a  hog?? I don't want to breed more like that........................................

                     x2 duster

TEAM YELLER SIGHING ON  ;D First off where are you hunting that there is a hog under every rock? Thay ain't where im at that's the reason I have ybmc because we have to hunt for them here, I have had my share of cats and I could not find one that could smell a track. You say hunters breed junk and don't know it,, I agree with that.but.... I could have a dog that was absolutely 100% trash in my kennels and I could sell the dog to you or joe blow and he would be the best thing you have ever hunted, you no that old saying one mans junk is another mans treasure, that's where that comes in to effect  ;) all im saying is yes people breed trash that's a fact. ... but trash to you or trash to me? Its in the eyes of the beholder. Some people love short range some med and some long that's the reason there are so many lines of dog people just have different options on what's good and what's trash. And some just breed for color and cash.
Just talking not arguing here just me thinking out loud  ;D.         OOOOO YEAH AND GO TEAM YELLOW DOGS  >:D :laugh:

BLACK POWER!!

 On the face that is!  >:D

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ive kinda skimmed over this topic, figured i could try and voice my opinion. we had a few yella dogs before, dont know what lines they were but we knew the guy and where we got them. mike has a point about the rise of "yella" dog sales. i think its ruining what real dog hunters try to keep. thats like for instance a dachsund, i never had one till the 3 i got now and they are a hand full, kinda like a plott in a 25 pound body. after reading and researching, ive found out that people mass bred these dogs for their looks and size to the point the hunt was bred out. sad story in itself but still i see where this is going.


and YBM i cant scream that up here, ill be shot  ;)

that some funny stuff hidin the yellar :laugh: :laugh:

actually quite a few now that I am thinking about it...I can think of 2 big kennels that don't have anything I like as far as mtn curs go and they are well known and have been around for a long time. But that what makes the world go round. 

I would like to go on a hog hunt with a good line of yellow dogs that have a black mask, no hound crosses, and walk in catch dogs only. I haven't tried one in almost 20 years and would like to try to find the right line to breed a mtn cur gyp to . Sounds like we have a few good lines out there. I think it is easier to locate a good line now that we have the www.

I have been thinking about trying a Joey Hutson dog but would rather use a stud from hog hunting stock that hunt as good as his tree dogs.

Mike, I agree...popularity hurts a breed more than it helps it because the quality drops on account of in-experience, lack of knowledge, or just plain ole greed... but when the fad is over the true, hardcore, and dedicated breeders will be the ones who will save the breed...

Easy Cole... We hunt around the same area so take a chill pill... I've hunted Behind your dogs a few years ago when you went with me and shane... That's all I'll say

Oh... I'm not arguing either ;D

Hey, well first off im not mad at all was just saying one mans trash is another mans treasure, you have to agree with that lol and I reymember that hunt is this Justen or andy lol I think if im not wrong we all hunted pups about 5/6 months old hu ending up skunked literally, don't know if you was calling me out on my dogs or what but you don't even no my dogs the only dogs of mine you have hunted with was little pups, and them little pups are 5 yrs old now lol im not trying to fight friend, and yeah y'all have some good spots that's a fact but my spots are not packed with pigs anymore, state helli got alot of them  :-\

It's a pendulum that will swing back and forth. It's just the BMC time. Give it a couple of yrs and it will swing to something else.

RISE OF THE PLOTT HOUND >:D

Oh lord here we go  ;D

 

Arnt those buckskin plotts living proof that they used YBMC to create it???  LOL

x'2 on the pendulum ... but when it goes the other way i'll still be catching cattle and hogs with my  YALLER BLACK MOUTH WONDERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


                                                    just stirring the pot , all in fun   haha

Popularity does kill a breed. I like a dog that will show me a hog. Not the other way around. I went through the same thing finding labs about 10 years ago. Alot of them were trash and wouldn't retrieve a biscuit. I currently am running yellow dog. Because I love there versatility. It's not the breed its the breeding.

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very well could be. ??? i guess thats kind the point of what ever works!!!

" It's not the breed its the breeding "

Bingo! that is simply how it is

yes indeed...

That's the smartest post in so few a words I have seen!

Its funny you say that because I believe the plott hound is in the beginning stages of a trend! Only thing about ghem they were never any good to start with.

chiming in late on this conversation as we've been out working australias first BMC's, we have a lot invested but are absolutley determined to do right by the breed....we call it as we see it and so far are impressed by what we see......we'll work them select them hard.....

culls will still be culls....and be treated accordingly

Troy

10-4...and the cream will rise to the top...

aussie black mouth curs

Just curious why you chose the line of BMC dogs that you did? Had you actually seen some of those dogs work in person or did you just talk to people over the phone?

waylon,

its a long answer...I have spoken about this in previous posts.....briefly though.....a breeder willing to work with us....versatility....etc etc

No we did not see them work......we are very happy with them though....


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gotcha  ;)

Exactly  ;)

It is like the old question...what came first the chicken or the egg?? ??? You most definitely want to pick from a good hunting strain of dogs that produce.

But the breeder is just as important if not more so because he wouldn't maintain or improve the strain if he did not have the knack for breeding the right dogs and worse, if he/she do not have the concept as to what a great hunting dog should be. There are no shortcuts and no excuses for the dogs, we have to call it the way it is...that is if we truly want to improve the breed or strain...

LOL...My bad Chance..

Yes Mike , I bred Catahoulas for 15 years , I started hog hunting in south texas. Had some sure enough get it done dogs .Moved back to Louisiana and i couldn't give the pups away on the count of everyone was breeding them and just pushed the value down to where they were worthless. I changed my breeding on the blackmouth, i breed a limited number of litters maybe 1 a yr , and do my best to place and sell the pups only to hunting homes and repeat customers .That way I knowthey will be worked,I have the blood the pups just need the exposure.When they get it done the owner will call again.

you changed dog breeds cuz u couldnt sell them?   

No Bignasty, I started hunting some other dogs that just out performed what i had hands down and then were easier to train . I had lost my original blood in a divorce and got back some partial blooded pups but it was never the same .I met Kory and Boband got some of there dogs and was sold .

 .Moved back to Louisiana and i couldn't give the pups away on the count of everyone was breeding them and just pushed the value down to where they were worthless. I changed my breeding on the blackmouth, i breed a limited number of litters maybe 1 a yr

mark, im buddies with KD! i know his cousin donald, and KC!!! i have hunted with KORY, i am under the impression he had to start over do to his divorce. i heard at one time he did have some top notch dogs. i had a chance to own one of his females that was bred and keep the litter, i did`nt and may very well have been one of the worst mistakes of my life. i talked to him a few weeks ago and he is suppose to be back in the emory area sometime in sept. the plan is to do some hunting!!!!

sorry to hear that

The whole fad thing happened to the APBT as well. It just about ruined the breed!

 I always thought that the best thing the BMC had going for them was when they weren't as well known. There sure wasn't as many to pick from in the past as there are now. I imagine is was just the same with any other breed. Popularity leads to all kinds of breeding. For money by some and alot of breeding with good intentions by others. "much of it misguided". Breeding to preserve the breed as they were when they were founded has it's merits and I strongly support that, but is not practical for the way most folks hunt these days or for the pigs of today. People didn't want their pigs or cattle all chewed up and wanted to lead all their stock to the pens in the past. Most people don't have the patience to let their dogs work and settle a bay and as soon as they hear a bay they send the catch dogs. I think you almost have to hunt this way some places these days as the pigs are going to break bay and run more often than not and alot of the dogs today don't have what it takes to keep them bayed or the bottom to find, stop and keep them bayed as long as it takes. I not only think it is due to the popularity now and junk breeding as I think there are very few who still use these dogs on a regular basis to work stock for a good part of their living. The dogs are so varied now you can almost get what suits you for your needs if you look really hard. From the stock dog with natural lead ability and classy baying style to the rough, catchy type of dog which seems to be more the norm these days. I don't think there is a right or wrong way to hunt. A man just has to sort through a bunch of BMC these days or know who has the dogs that suit the style of hunting a fellow is looking to do. Seems like hunt and bottom have taken the worst licks of all.

u cant say it any better than that

I agree Bob, you just keep line breeding for hunt and bottom or "prey drive" as we call it and thats all we can do for the breed. I think as time goes on the hunters will get pups from you and Spivey and help this breed out in the future, I appreciate all yall do

I agree, but I don't think this is limited to the BMC.

 " A man just has to sort through a bunch of BMC these days or know who has the dogs that suit the style of hunting a fellow is looking to do "

Bob that's a darn tuff job to with as many BMC dogs as there are under every shade tree. I bet I've called and talked to honestly 100 different people over the course of a year or two and heard 100 different opinions about what kind of dog there breeding and why. I'm more confused now than when I got my first dog and now that I'm moving to a vastly different area that makes it even tougher

Not that I am the guy with any answers.... but dont you think the best thing to do is hunt with the dogs to see if they are what you like and if they are, then make sure your getting them from a source that is breeding in a way that reproduces a high % of the similiar traits (line breeding) regularly vs a guy who is just throwing together "good dog to good dog" ??

BMC or CAT etc that is what  I am doing, Ive only been hunting for 5 yrs though and still keep a humble approach to this and learn from the old timers every chance I get, or cull the old timers not in line with this general point of view but still show them respect and courtesy

but dont you think the best thing to do is hunt with the dogs to see if they are what you like



that's exactly what i'm doing at this time, time will tell I reckon

Blondes are whats in style this season ;) just look on the internet!

Lol

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I think the "new Style" should be line bred hard working dogs! Maby forums like this can help that...... 8)

I am glad the dogs I buy or prove out for my friends breeding curs could care less whats trending on the internet or even know thats the case since they rarely get online much less market them.......most old dog men I know have a waiting list  ;) and its not from the dog trade or baydog . com!!

I have blue eyed catahoulas not because I bred them that way but because they are some of my best dogs, yes i have sold almost a full liter outta him but I actually kept 5 and culled down to 2.... yes i understand the meaning to this post but some took it overboard while others made very good points