EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

hey boys have you heard that farm bureau is backing the dog trepassing law that is going trough the congress and the house of oklahoma it almost do from what i have heard. i thought i would let ya'll know what i have heard.

What's this law about?  Thay just past one little bit back where we can't just go in and get are dogs have to have the law with us. What's next have to buy a tag  ???

I dont mean to sound rude by no means but its our faults for not keeping up wuth whats going on legally in this sport and state   i have some cop buddies down here  that i talk to from time to time   hood hunting is almost illegal also   new hoghunters r popping up everyday and r not respecting land or landowners  a couple months ago one of my honeyholes got shut down cuz someone ran his cows thru a fence   theres been sone cows ears tore up and stuff like that  we have to stand up for our rites and the landowners and put an end to disrespectful hunting or its just gonna get worse 

The law already passed. If you dont have written permission yer prolly gonna get a ticket. Thats half why ive stopped huntin. Ive been huntin between altus and marietta fer 8+ years and last year was the worst. Too many idiots round here. So if yall need some good dogs i got some.

Nobody told me about written permission  i just have verbal  and we talk to game wardens and cops all the time  they havent said anything having to have written permission  hey gotboar  r u out of grandfield area   think i met u last yr round caldwells riding around with catchdogs on the hood  if im not mistaken

I don't know anything about the laws and I don't have written permisssion for any of the places I hunt either.

I talk to a friend lastnight and he said the first time a land owner turns you in it will be a 1000 dollar fine and then the second time you will get a bigger fine and loose you hunting license up to 5 yrs and guns or anything else you have.

I hunt hogs but I also own a ranch my family has been ranching since 1906. How many times have we said if I get cought going across a fence I will just say I was going to get my dogs. I love to hunt hogs and lived off of the meat for years but my cattle business comes first. I have to feed and raise 6 kids and I am tired of road pitchers. Every time an illegal dog causes damage I loose money. I don't mind legal hunters. But I am glad for the protection.

" But I am glad for the protection.  "

Scott that's what was at the core of this bill, I liked the ability to just go get my dogs, but sorry people abused it and used it for a backdoor way to hunt a place and not get in trouble. Most any rancher will not blow up on you if your really trying to just get your dogs and couldn't make contact with them, but a 5 min phone call is easy if you know the land owner, if it's 3 am that's one thing, but If you can then you should try to make contact with the owner. I understand both sides of the deal. Perhaps a short visit with surrounding land owners before you hut is the answer

for sure ask all the land owners around you. I have 7 square miles i can hunt and in that I have one guy that told me I couldn't hunt his property so that's when I went into detail to let him know I have permission on all the places around him and if I did have a dog come over could I go get him. he didn't have a problem with that thank goodness. Written permission is always best just incase some other doggers get to trying to ruin things for ya and incase the law gets involved just another way to cover your butt.

The laws have to physically catch you on the property to write you a ticket we went through this with someone stealing some stuff off our lease . We caught them on the property and called the sherriff he said it's our word against theirs and nothing he could do. So now I trespass on their land when I deer hunt I figure I can be out of there before the cops catch me on the land.

What's at the heart of the bill is money. If I get hurt on your land your insurance has to pay. (not that I would sew but lots of people will) same thing that is at the heart of the seat belt law.

This law was active two years ago I believe it was. You had to get written permission every time you we t on someone's land. I did not know it was active again. May have modified it and taken that out.

And it is a shame how many people abuse places with or without permission.

I have pulled calves, fixed fence, called and warned of a sick cow and put cows back in there respective places, ect... while hunting. We should take care of each other and serve one another as friends & neighbors.

I agree with that, I have done the same but its the people that you ask to get your dogs off and say no that piss me off, ill be the first to tell you like it or not im gonna get my dogs with permission or without,  I am not gonna take anything I just want to get my dogs but some land owners around here say no. Plus at three in the morning im not gonna call someone and ask them to sign a paper so I can go get them. I try to ask all the people around where I hunt but sometimes thay may live in ark or tex and can't get#, I don't no how many times we have ran hogs for miles and not even no were we are, how do you call or get permission to get your dogs then? Im betting most of us wont, and are not gonna walk another 4 miles back at 3 am and sit in the truck tell 8:00 to call someone.

Judging by the posts it seems the law is a needed one. Stay off property you don't have permission to be on.

I havent seen any body get fined 1000 dollars yet. But the only people ive heard get introuble around here is hood hunters. And Im not trying to pick on all of them. I Like to see a good hood dog work every now and again.  But the problem is it makes it so much more tempting too trespass when your hood hunting. U think you can get in and out real easy but when they run the hogs 2 miles opposite of the truck and you cant get close with the pickup your alot more likely to get caught. and when one landown starts raisin hell it seems like more jump in with him down at the coffee shop.

got nothing against you folks but it aint hood huntin. Cattle rustling started this deal. Blaming others n barkn orders? Grow up and play nice. Not all huntrs trespass and all cowboys r rustlers. And yes i hood hunt and no i dont hunt w o permission. U could always b shot n them not call u in.

Well just called a new land owner that has land all right in the middle of the 2ooo ac that I hunt he don't no me or even live here, I told him that I wasn't gonna hunt his place and all I wanted to do was get my dogs and he told me not no but he'll! No, so I called a cuzin of mine that happens to be the game warden here and he said the new law says if the dogs or any livestock go over on someone else and the land owners say no you can't get them, there is nothing the game wardens or sheriff can do you can't get your dog or livestock, you can try to call them out or drive off that's the only thing you can do. Other then hope thay come out. Don't even matter if the livestock is in a bind or injured. This is b.s.

Boy's I don't know what to say but i promise if one of my dogs are in a bind i will be going in to help with or with out permission. all we can do is pray and hope that god will always be their for us when we need him in a time like know. but the land owner where i hunt don't care long as dogs don't get there livestock and that people don't cut fences. and i thank alot of it is do to people cutting fences and shotting livestock these is not going to help stop people from shotting from the road or stealing livestock it is going to hurt the true hog hunter and the coonhuntersin the end.

" this is not going to help stop people from shooting from the road or stealing livestock it is going to hurt the true hog hunter and the coon hunters in the end "

Sadly that's probably true, it's like gun laws, criminals don't care if it is against the law in the first place. I can see both sides of the coin but really is a poacher gonna call nope! only the honest folks I guess. There has to be a happy medium some how.

hey boys you can thank your local farm bureau they are backing this bill all the way and if you want to make a differents drop your insurence and go with someone else i did. hunting is my hobby and live for my family i raise dogs and this is going to hurt my pocket book so why not hurt thiers as well as mind. but like someone else said it is not going to hurt the people that hunt illegel it hurts the people that do it legal and that is the bottom line so go and tell your local farm bureau how you feel abou them backing this bill thanks and god bless all us hunters that hunt by the law and rights of others

told en where  they could stick it when the law passed and our local rep MR>DON ARMES too

What am I missing? Yall are mad because you will be fined for hunting land without permission?

no cantexduck we are not hunt anyones land without permission but if you have a dog that has a lot of bottom end in him they are not going to quiet a hog till they get it bayed up or something else happens. that is what we are talking about is if a mans dog ends up bayed on another person land that joint the land that you have no permission why could you not just go and get your dog and get off of the land and move on without a big fine that a working man would not be able to pay all at once.  the bill is for the people that hunt from the road and the people that steal livestock, not the hunters that it is going to hurt in the long. the big thank is that you can't fix stupid people but tring to will hurt the hunters instead.

the bill once read that tresspassing was...and explained it then said the exemptions were unless you were on another's property retrieving a dog or livestock. They went in this year and amended it that you had to have permission before going and retrieving what ever live animal you have on someone elses property. Yeah it sucks...yeah I see both sides of the story. I've had to do the extra PR work and get to know everyone that has land in the area and spent many hours on the phone. In the end I actually ended up with more properties to hunt and they guys that said I couldn't hunt their land they agreed that'd it'd be alright to go and get my dogs if they end up on the property and pig if they had one bayed. So it did help in makin' me do the extra steps and actually ended up with more land to hunt so I could hood hunt more. I wish I would have known about it earlier so I could have voiced it to my reps and whoever was backing it but I guess that's what I get for not keepin' up with politics. I think this is what ya'll were talkin' about.

they say it is still waitinf for final approval. it is still in the house it is not wrote in tone yet as far as i have heard so we need to go and talk to are rep in are area

yeah the game warden said the bill past all thay need is the gov to sign it, even the warden said he didn't like the bill said it ain't far that hog and coon hunters can't go in and get there dogs but he said there is nothing we can do to get are dogs he said just hope thay will call out, I told him that my dogs wont call off a bay all he could say was I no its bull sh#t but im sorry.  I also dropped farm bu ins.  I understand that some people don't care or understand what we are saying cantexduck but you have to understand we have all been hunting for yrs one way the law said we could get are dogs on anyone and didn't need to ask just leave your gun at the truck and go NO FINES NO TROUBLE get in get out now there telling us we can't if the landowners say no, have to just hope thay come out. Most people don't care if you just go get your dog, but I have a place were one guy leased the place next to us not from here told me no so this crap is what we are calling b.s.

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A lil pr goes along way guys    i disagree with the bill 100% but put urself in landowners shoes    if u work land to make a living then why should u put up with some hunter tearing ur stuff up   and i know a good honest hunter is a benefit to a landowner   but look at all the dishonest ones that cause more problems than the hogs do   a farmer gets an insurance check at 50% crop loss so he at leasts breaks even  but if a hog hunter cuts his fence and runs or even catches his cattle then he loses money by having vet bils and fuel loss and damaged fence getting his cattle back in   plus the time it takes to do those chores when he could be doing something productive for his farm...  i know its an insurance deal also  but they would rather pay the crop loss than the hunters damage  believe it or not its cheaper   i was once a landowner and farmer and had to put up with this crap   it was just easier to stop all hunting and take the crop loss   and hunt for myself   everday or every couple of days we were mending fence and doctoring cattle    go talk to landowners   if they say no then stay away from that area  get a good reputation with the ones that allow u to hunt and retrieve dogs  word of mouth is ur best advertisement   and tuskbuster i had a lil talk with don armes too   hes xhanged alot since he took office   he didnt act like he really cared for what i had to say  so i agree with u   but with land i lose to idiotic hunters i lose  their loss   but i am getting more from people that appreciate a hardworking good honest hunter   and another thing folks  its our responsibilty as as hunters to fight for our rights together  to stand up as a group instead of individuals   large numbers get more notice than a bunch of single people   join a working dog group  lswda  and tdha  im an active member in both    but we have to work together or we will take more losses to laws   jmo

i was out at the lake all weekend for family reunion,and my girlfriendgets a call to tell me not to be huntin their land .said someone caught a hog and dumped it in her ditch with keystone cans shoved in its mouth.this is only a mile and half from my place but it sure pissed me off.the accuzation that is .just shows what i have to deal with and why i DONT hunt in this area at all. i havent called her but will make sure she dont blame me anymore >:D

The law goes into effect November 1 , 2011. It is listed in the hunting regulations. It is best to start knocking on doors now & getting written permission now.

this is what is going on in oklahoma with farm bureau. they talk out both sides of there mouths

Hate to hear your fine state has finally lost the right to retreive, another state slips into the future, did anything change if you are caught with a weapon going to retreive dogs, gees i sure loved going to Oklahoma roading running dogs for miles and miles on open land, now you know what Texas has had down here and they are going to make worse laws not better ones for sure, it scary tohave wide ranging dogs that catch, better to have bay dogs that you can honk or call out i guess???

Take your accusations up in private. ;)