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Title: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 11, 2011, 08:25:00 pm I have a female bluetick that is a sure enough finished strike dog.. And i am gettin a male bmc that i dont know much about but i was just think what yall think if i was to get that bmc finished out and then breeding him to my bluetick.? I think they would be some good lookin pups and would turn out to be good dogs but i was just askin yalls opinions about these breeds..?
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 11, 2011, 08:33:05 pm You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 11, 2011, 08:52:09 pm You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better Thats wat i was thinking too.. Especially the way my hound hunts.. She hunts about 1200 yrds out and will get the job done really quick..Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 11, 2011, 08:53:53 pm And i was also wondering how many of yall would buy them cuz i would sell all but prolly 2..?
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Newbe on September 11, 2011, 09:37:25 pm Around here thats just about all you see is hound crosses on hogs, Ive got a few buddys with BT/BMC crosses and there some flat out good dogs, they have the nose but their not super long ranged like most straight hounds.
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: tnhillbilly on September 12, 2011, 01:24:02 am If that BMC proves his self, I would do it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 12, 2011, 10:31:41 am Do yall think the pups would be silent on track?
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: halfbreed on September 12, 2011, 10:45:38 am that is the million dollar question ! you wont know till you try it . but what does it really matter ? some people think you can;t run open dogs and catch hogs i dissagree . hogs here dogs bark everyday and i've got them wallowing 50 yards behind my dog pen with the dogs going crazy in the pens . and they pay the dogs no never mind .
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 12, 2011, 12:07:52 pm Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 12, 2011, 12:39:04 pm Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off My hound is open mouthed and she still bays some up everytime we hunt.. It doesnt matter if there is hogs on the place or not she will run everywhere in the county untill she hits a track..Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: bayem~and~slay em on September 12, 2011, 02:14:51 pm As long as a hound can keep up with it's mouth they'll work my buddy had s hound open every step an th slowest dog I ever seen we did alotta runnin hogs not much catchin jmo
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Reuben on September 12, 2011, 02:23:44 pm You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better I agree... Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: tnhillbilly on September 12, 2011, 06:28:24 pm Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off X 2Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Reuben on September 12, 2011, 07:17:08 pm Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off X 2x3...sometimes an open mouthed dog can show you the bacon when others can't ;) Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 12, 2011, 09:54:11 pm Thanks Guys!
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Reuben on September 12, 2011, 09:59:26 pm As long as a hound can keep up with it's mouth they'll work my buddy had s hound open every step an th slowest dog I ever seen we did alotta runnin hogs not much catchin jmo I been there and done that one over 30 years ago and it was good ridance. :o ;D and I did learn from that hound... ;) Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: bayem~and~slay em on September 13, 2011, 11:50:51 am Lol no kiddin I loved it when he wouldn't take her
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 13, 2011, 01:44:54 pm You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home.
I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self. Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner. Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: treeingratterrier on September 13, 2011, 02:41:00 pm You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home. JUst curious, are you saying that a good hound will not give mouth every breath when it has jumped its game?? Please explain?? The pack we ran down here all barked every step when game was jumped, they all imeately went silent when a lose was made, we waited on pins and needles until some hound found the ducking or back trailing or jumping bobcat or fox, then the race began again with every hound giving mouth as soon as it got in the scent tunnel again, worst thing we would get sometimes is a dog in the pack that would give mouth after a lose when it did not have the track and cause the dogs to come to him and honor his bark out of place, these were usually young dogs toos or not that many catches and some times were over excited being outrun by older dogs with colder noses and more track running experience, guess what every step means is up for discussionlol Down here we had to have about 4 different types in a bobcat/fox pack to catch 2 a night if condtions were right, we had to have a old coldnosed dog to start the track, it had to still be fast enuff to work the track to where a younger hot nosed dog could pass the start dog and put enuff presure on the cat to start running after they found where he had just been, this jumping him caused a roar in the pack as the yunger or hotter nosed dogs now could finally smell the scent tunnel and became a pack all in full cry as the gap has closed between them??I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self. Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner. Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Reuben on September 13, 2011, 02:45:33 pm You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home. I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self. Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner. Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon best thing about a totally silent dog is you don't have to hear it from friends... ;D I like a dog that opens 2 or 3 times when locating a good track and then shuts up... a few barks here and there on track is ok...long bawl when locating and then loud chop when baying a hog. the good mtn curs tend to do it that way but I suspect "walker behind the wood shed" on some of these good dogs. ;D Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 13, 2011, 04:44:39 pm knightstockterrier - What I meant was when running track, not sight chasing game, to be honest if there sight chasing game the race better not be long enough to matter or I'll get some new dogs :laugh:
But if you have spent the amount of time behind hounds as I suspect you have, then you have seen them types that bark every step just to be barking ( I have seen it in curs to ) makes you wonder when the draw in a breath cause the exhale some many. I call one a good hound, be it open or not if he barks enough to let me know where he is when trailing and treed or bayed, I don't mind him going into a " cold trail Bawl " if he sure nuff looses the track, in fact i want him to, that's how i know he might need help or the game jumped high into a tree and he can't locate yet ( seen that before with Bobcats ) I won't give any opinions on having 4 different types of dogs in a single pack to do the job cause I ain't hunted your country and would be talking out my rear. Dang all this Hound talk is making miss them ol Tri-color dogs :'( :'( I might show up there in South Texas with a truck load of'em before it's over Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: treeingratterrier on September 13, 2011, 05:19:08 pm On curs its what you like, but dont get tangled up in the cliche that open mouth dogs cant catch hogs, a slow babbler or a slow silent dog of any breed is going to catch less than a fast barks every breath cur or hound, actually a hound that is silent even it is fast in a a hound pack is susposed to be scracthed in a feild trial, so that makes a running hound that does not give mouth a dq and a cull by defintion, why is that is the question??? A cur dog that yips or barks right when he smells and takes off silent until he is bayed is what i liked, if it yiped a bit when the hog broke and went silent again that was fine by me, we used to like the silent dogs for slipping in and getting out without everybody and everyhog in the country knowing we were hunting,,,,, I think so many hogs are dog and atv smart nowdays they blast off as soon as they hear the alarm,,
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: treeingratterrier on September 13, 2011, 05:31:23 pm knightstockterrier - What I meant was when running track, not sight chasing game, to be honest if there sight chasing game the race better not be long enough to matter or I'll get some new dogs :laugh: But if you have spent the amount of time behind hounds as I suspect you have, then you have seen them types that bark every step just to be barking ( I have seen it in curs to ) makes you wonder when the draw in a breath cause the exhale some many. I call one a good hound, be it open or not if he barks enough to let me know where he is when trailing and treed or bayed, I don't mind him going into a " cold trail Bawl " if he sure nuff looses the track, in fact i want him to, that's how i know he might need help or the game jumped high into a tree and he can't locate yet ( seen that before with Bobcats ) I won't give any opinions on having 4 different types of dogs in a single pack to do the job cause I ain't hunted your country and would be talking out my rear. A hound is susposed to give mouth when he has the scent or the game in sight, there is no inbetween?? If you mean a dog that is barking when he does not have the scent constantly then i agree, they cause the pack to leave a lose and wreck the whole race everytime until they learn he is a liarlol We ran 10 to 15 dogs in the thickets down here and everything had to be perfect or you would never catch a cat or fox but just lope them around for hours, its very hard running, I even dumped in terriers in white brush thickets or 20 acre cactus patches to shorten the race and catch more bobcats, they would cut the scent funnel if they saw the cat and cheat as they locked up on it due to small size when the cat would be dodgeing and ducking and backtracking when his wind was broken by the hound pack and there were no trees to climb, sometimes the cat would be running back and forth in a 1/2 acre thicket for 10 minutes right in front of us if we were lucky and we could see who was in front etc etc, those were the good ol days of big ranches, no locks, neighbors who worked with eachother and were farm or ranch raised and no deer fences or city boy deer hunters claiming dogs killed a trophy buck i was wachinglol Lots of guys never caught the amount of cats we used to and there was a reason, I think the hardest dog pack in the world is a southtexas dog pack for bobcat only that can hunt in a drought and still catch cats every night or least have a jump, there might be 2 packs left down here if that many, lots claim they catch cats but they just run at them or catch 100 brush coons and 1 cat and say they are bobcat hunters, i sure miss hound hunting with pack of running walkers smoking ol stump tail until he climbs or goes into a cactus pile to escape!!!! Dang all this Hound talk is making miss them ol Tri-color dogs :'( :'( I show up there in South Texas with a truck load of'em before it's over Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on September 13, 2011, 05:52:19 pm To sum it up for me and what I think knightstockterrier, The type of hound I'd like to own would depend on what I was after and where I was after the critter. then I would decide how much mouth i wanted needed, how cold nosed, ect. ect. But my favorite dogs were always Finley river bred Walkers and didn't mind about 1/4 to an 1/8 running Walker dog in them for cats & Fox. But anymore than that seemed to hurt there locate ability
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: Reuben on September 13, 2011, 06:29:44 pm I think so many hogs are dog and atv smart nowdays they blast off as soon as they hear the alarm,, x2...and the chain and lock rattling on the galvanized gate... Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: UNDERDOG on September 13, 2011, 07:42:37 pm I think so many hogs are dog and atv smart nowdays they blast off as soon as they hear the alarm,, x2...and the chain and lock rattling on the galvanized gate... I don't think so.....I been to a spot were they run like hell and un loaded all the bikes,made all that noise etc and rolled up to watch a hog rooting just a few 100 yds from were we unloaded ....they are either gonna run or not. Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: tnhillbilly on September 13, 2011, 07:45:18 pm ;D I agree
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: LTHogDogger on September 13, 2011, 08:40:28 pm Well the Bluetick im talkin bout dont bark just to bark she barks when she is lookin at a pig or when she is real close to one..
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: John S on September 14, 2011, 06:37:56 am I have 2 live that male & female ( blue tick & BMK) , they are 6 Mo. old . Looks like are going to be good dogs. I'm working them on coon. They will tree and trail fare good. I don't know about hogs, but they dogs are tough as a boot. I like them.
Title: Re: Bmc/Bluetick?? Post by: M.Gunta on September 14, 2011, 12:23:43 pm Little houng in a cur dog never hurt nothin! ;)
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