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Title: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Caseylee on September 26, 2011, 06:19:13 pm sat. night boar found a weak spot
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i286/1caseylee/074.jpg) Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: SCHitemHard on September 26, 2011, 10:42:20 pm hope the sucker wearin that got out ok?
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: adamp on September 26, 2011, 11:45:57 pm How's the dog doing? First one to go all the way through?
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Caseylee on September 27, 2011, 10:56:54 am he got 2 holes in his throat but gonna be ok.. thats only the 5th hog that vest has seen. there are 5 small holes all the way through. that big hole is suposed to be sown together buess that boar hit it just right and cut all the stitching
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: t.wilbanks on September 27, 2011, 11:11:47 am I had to cut the chin flap off of my Guardian vest after a few months of having it... it was cut to shreads and didnt keep the dog from getting cut anyway... Had a hog cut my bulldog in the throat same as yours, but it cut straight through.. not the stitching.. :-\
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Caseylee on September 27, 2011, 11:36:31 am needless to say I called larry parish to make me a vest..
Ugly dog has great products I think this vest could be improved tho Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: t.wilbanks on September 27, 2011, 11:39:31 am needless to say I called larry parish to make me a vest.. Ugly dog has great products I think this vest could be improved tho x2 Larry will be making my next vest.. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Hamilton_hogger on September 27, 2011, 08:09:21 pm just cut it off and quit whinin hes got a good cut collar lets go again....nah glad hes ok hows his leg doin???
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Caseylee on September 28, 2011, 10:52:15 am he will be ready next week! LETS HIT 'EM AGAIN!
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 03:32:53 pm THEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRR GGGRRRRREEEAATTTTTTT!!!!!!!
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr194/nosightsneeded/tonytiger-02.jpg) Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Peachcreek on September 28, 2011, 03:50:25 pm this is good info. i have been looking for a vest for a couple weeks and this has got my wheels turning.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: mattr on September 28, 2011, 05:01:38 pm Get uglydog to make you the "old" style gaurdian. You won't be dissapointed, theres a world of difference between it and the new style one they make.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 05:23:47 pm Casey, it looks like he got hooked in the chin-flap and ripped the stiches out. How many vests on the market have that flap on them? Just think what would have happened if it wasn't there and that tusk went through the lower jaw, into the roof of your dog's mouth when that boar hooked... wouldn't have been a pretty sight.
Nosights... why does that vest have to be trashed? Looks like it did it's job well and what most vests look like that see some ivory. If one hog did all that damage all over and around the vest like that... doesn't look like the dog was caught very well. Fellas, when y'all find this "super vest", let us know. That can happen to ANY vest on the market on the right hog. I've had the privledge to hunt with hundreds of people and dogs over the years... I've seen them all. My money goes to Uglydog any day of the week. Peaches, the best vest in my opinion for year round hunting is the Devestator. It's super lightweight and very flexible... it covers everything and the dog has great mobility in it. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 06:34:48 pm Nosights... why does that vest have to be trashed? Looks like it did it's job well and what most vests look like that see some ivory. If one hog did all that damage all over and around the vest like that... doesn't look like the dog was caught very well. Ok I understand that you have to keep a certain enviroment or mood because of your obligation to your sponsors. I have also hunted with alot of people and seen just about every vest that is being made but never seen anyone that thought twenty holes in the chest of a vest or having the neck ripped off considered fit for duty. :-\ thats a first. Your right ANY vest can be damaged but not EVERY company stands next to their craftsmanship and does repairs to what you are calling "NORMAL" wear and tear. I am not looking for a super vest of any sorts just a vest that does what they say it does. As far catching well I take that as a underhanded comment, but he was just a little ole Pit that had been caught for a long time.....I just saw this thread and decided to add my experience with them. I dont want to go against the grain too much so Ill take the down. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: UNDERDOG on September 28, 2011, 06:59:17 pm Nosights, no need to be a smart ass.....I happen to agree if the pic you posted of that vest took that much damage maybe there is more to it than just the vest. I used one of them ugly dog vest for bout 3 years and caught a good few hogs and it got a few cuts to but ....was your dog caught out front of the hog and for how long? I also seen a bunch of CDs that have worn UD vests for years and caught plenty and have held up.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 07:14:51 pm Not being a smart ass just answering a question and stating facts. I took my pictures down. now lets move on to the super vests!
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Purebreedcolt on September 28, 2011, 07:23:07 pm I will post my thoughts and see what happens. If the dog is caught for an extended period of time or does not hold clean and more or less fights the pig this will happen more. I think this is where to many people go wrong they have a dog that catches and maybe it does lock down but it stays in front of a hog and takes a beating. One or two cuts yeah ok but if that dog has 20 cut through get you another dog that holds clean. I have to admit I have both one catches and holds the other is a little wild but is young she may and may not make it as a cd. Imo if your dog gets cut repeatedly and lives your vest did its job the cd did not by not holding clean also if it is caught for a extended time you probably did not do your job as a dog hunter minus a broke bay but even then you better get your butt there. Sorry for the long winded post.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 07:41:07 pm Ok I understand that you have to keep a certain enviroment or mood because of your obligation to your sponsors. Ha ha... sponsorship doesn't have anything to do with it. There's three sponsors on ETHD... WildBoarUSA, Tri-Tronics and Quick-Track. They are sponsors here for a reason, because they all make a quality product that i've used for years... long before ETHD was thought of. I don't have to have any sponsors for this site to operate. The admins and mods control what happens on here... not any sponsor. Companies contact me all the time wanting to advertise on here, but I turn them down because I don't want the site to look like a billboard. So feel free to talk about any product how you want. What cracks me up, is how many people post about their vests being cut up or cut through... not just Uglydog vests, but any brand vest. Go back and search through a quarter million posts and you'll find plenty. ;) Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: UNDERDOG on September 28, 2011, 07:44:57 pm Not being a smart ass just answering a question and stating facts. I took my pictures down. now lets move on to the super vests! Still seem like a smart ass with the super vest comment but so be it.... Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 07:47:02 pm I will post my thoughts and see what happens. If the dog is caught for an extended period of time or does not hold clean and more or less fights the pig this will happen more. I think this is where to many people go wrong they have a dog that catches and maybe it does lock down but it stays in front of a hog and takes a beating. One or two cuts yeah ok but if that dog has 20 cut through get you another dog that holds clean. I have to admit I have both one catches and holds the other is a little wild but is young she may and may not make it as a cd. Imo if your dog gets cut repeatedly and lives your vest did its job the cd did not by not holding clean also if it is caught for a extended time you probably did not do your job as a dog hunter minus a broke bay but even then you better get your butt there. Sorry for the long winded post. Purebreed... I don't care how "clean" a dog holds, but a rank boar will toss, turn and throw that dog up, down, sideways, upside down, etc... you just better hope the dog holds on. I like a dog that catches an ear and tucks itself up against the hog's body... but if that hog wants to it will have it's way the dog. ;) And I want to be right there when the bulldog catches and get the hog under control quickly... some folks have to live and learn. I've already learned plenty. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: UNDERDOG on September 28, 2011, 07:48:03 pm I will post my thoughts and see what happens. If the dog is caught for an extended period of time or does not hold clean and more or less fights the pig this will happen more. I think this is where to many people go wrong they have a dog that catches and maybe it does lock down but it stays in front of a hog and takes a beating. One or two cuts yeah ok but if that dog has 20 cut through get you another dog that holds clean. I have to admit I have both one catches and holds the other is a little wild but is young she may and may not make it as a cd. Imo if your dog gets cut repeatedly and lives your vest did its job the cd did not by not holding clean also if it is caught for a extended time you probably did not do your job as a dog hunter minus a broke bay but even then you better get your butt there. Sorry for the long winded post. Exactly what I was getting at..... Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: LionandBoarHunter on September 28, 2011, 07:52:06 pm I will post my thoughts and see what happens. If the dog is caught for an extended period of time or does not hold clean and more or less fights the pig this will happen more. I think this is where to many people go wrong they have a dog that catches and maybe it does lock down but it stays in front of a hog and takes a beating. One or two cuts yeah ok but if that dog has 20 cut through get you another dog that holds clean. I have to admit I have both one catches and holds the other is a little wild but is young she may and may not make it as a cd. Imo if your dog gets cut repeatedly and lives your vest did its job the cd did not by not holding clean also if it is caught for a extended time you probably did not do your job as a dog hunter minus a broke bay but even then you better get your butt there. Sorry for the long winded post. Exactly what I was getting at..... Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 07:53:06 pm the dog was caught in a gully and took a while to be able to find a place to get to them. Just a bad place to catch a pig
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 07:54:23 pm I will post my thoughts and see what happens. If the dog is caught for an extended period of time or does not hold clean and more or less fights the pig this will happen more. I think this is where to many people go wrong they have a dog that catches and maybe it does lock down but it stays in front of a hog and takes a beating. One or two cuts yeah ok but if that dog has 20 cut through get you another dog that holds clean. I have to admit I have both one catches and holds the other is a little wild but is young she may and may not make it as a cd. Imo if your dog gets cut repeatedly and lives your vest did its job the cd did not by not holding clean also if it is caught for a extended time you probably did not do your job as a dog hunter minus a broke bay but even then you better get your butt there. Sorry for the long winded post. Exactly what I was getting at..... Floaty hell... he needs a life jacket! We thought he was dead when he rolled off into the rice canal!!! ;D Title: Re: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: muleman on September 28, 2011, 07:56:38 pm I wasn't going to comment but I can't help it I have a big mouth. I don't personally use UD vests but I have held a good many of them in my hands and they seem to be really well made and my buddies that have them have used the Hell out of them with good success. Fact is there is only a handful materials suited for making vests. It comes down to craftsmanship. I have been fortunate enough to have catch dogs that caught in such a way that I have made it by with inferior vests. I wouldn't hesitate to vest mine with any of the ugly dog vests. Never seen a perfect vest but until someone comes up with a new material they are as good as you can get.
The good thing about our country, everyone is free to buy what they want. If you think they are too high, sit down and make one......it will seem cheap! When I started, we made our vests and cut collars out of leather. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: ETHHunters on September 28, 2011, 07:57:30 pm Nosights I had the same thing happen on a vest I bought. First hunt it got cut in several places. I got mad and called the company didn't do any good. I ended up using the same vest for about eight years and can only remember one other time a dog got cut through it. Sometimes its just gonna happen.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: TexasHogDogs on September 28, 2011, 08:04:20 pm Why dont yall just do what we did one of the best vest I have seen and it has seen as many rank boars as anybodys vest and its still going strong, had a peice of wet velt sewen on around the chest and part of the sides and underneath. Works great and not to heavy and the dog can still swim fine with it . Just find a good vest a lighter one that is tuff that you like and get it sewed on . Aint that pretty but who gives a damn about pretty its what works that matters just ask you dog. Then if it gets cut threw you got nobody to bitch at but yourself .
(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/TexasHogDogs/vest1.jpg) (http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/TexasHogDogs/vest.jpg) Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on September 28, 2011, 08:15:25 pm Ha ha... sponsorship doesn't have anything to do with it. There's three sponsors on ETHD... WildBoarUSA, Tri-Tronics and Quick-Track. They are sponsors here for a reason, because they all make a quality product that i've used for years... long before ETHD was thought of. Mike, I just read your response about "sponsors". I had started a thread a couple of months back about "Conkey's Hound Supply". One of the mods deleted it. I had several people including Uglydog inquire about Conkey's after it was deleted. I placed the info on here so others in the sport would know about a hunting dog supply company with a great reputation for outstanding customer service and fair pricing. If it was not deleted because of "sponsorship" differences, why was it deleted? The whole thread was strictly informational. Thank you in advance, Josh Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 08:21:50 pm Dont get me wrong I understand that cut vests will get cut through from time to time. I understand that Ugly Dog makes a good vest. I just dont like that Ugly Dog wont fix holes in a damn near new 175 dollar vest. Not just holes for that matter a broken strap or a torn off cut collar.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: ETHHunters on September 28, 2011, 08:25:52 pm Nosights I wasn't picking sides and I understand you frustration from that point of view. Personally I wouldn't buy one for that price when I can get one that does as good of a job for half the money.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 09:41:47 pm Ha ha... sponsorship doesn't have anything to do with it. There's three sponsors on ETHD... WildBoarUSA, Tri-Tronics and Quick-Track. They are sponsors here for a reason, because they all make a quality product that i've used for years... long before ETHD was thought of. Mike, I just read your response about "sponsors". I had started a thread a couple of months back about "Conkey's Hound Supply". One of the mods deleted it. I had several people including Uglydog inquire about Conkey's after it was deleted. I placed the info on here so others in the sport would know about a hunting dog supply company with a great reputation for outstanding customer service and fair pricing. If it was not deleted because of "sponsorship" differences, why was it deleted? The whole thread was strictly informational. Thank you in advance, Josh Josh, I didn't know you had a post that was deleted or why it was deleted? I offer my sponsors exclusive advertising rights on their products. In other words, no other company selling cut gear can come on here push their product. Members can post links and talk about whatever products they want to, I don't have a problem with that. That's what this forum is all about. I don't know why your post was deleted... post it back up. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Circle C on September 28, 2011, 09:51:04 pm Dont get me wrong I understand that cut vests will get cut through from time to time. I understand that Ugly Dog makes a good vest. I just dont like that Ugly Dog wont fix holes in a damn near new 175 dollar vest. Not just holes for that matter a broken strap or a torn off cut collar. I can only speak for my personal experience with uglydog. On one of my devastator vests, the stitching was coming loose on one or two of the straps. I mentioned it to them, and they said to send it back and they would have it fixed. I opted to have a local shop sew some more threads in the straps as it was cheaper than the freight to send it back.I can certainly understand being frustrated with a new vest getting trashed, just don't know why they wouldn't stand behind the product.... Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on September 28, 2011, 09:52:32 pm Cool Mike. At the time, I just let it ride. My buddy uses a devastator vest on his pit. He really likes it. I've never owned one, but in all fairness, I haven't owned a vest in about 3 seasons. I will add in the pic that started this thread, it appears the stitching is what failed. I relate this to welding. If a weld breaks, it is a poor weld. The material should break elsewhere if the weld is correct. This seam was very likey a "poor weld".
Out of curiosity, where are the devastators sewed at? What state or country? I know the company sells out of Texas, but I want to know where they are made. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: dub on September 28, 2011, 09:57:13 pm I had a devastator on one of my dogs. He got caught going in and sent flying. I expected a cut dog but no cut on him at all and the vest is still being used today just faded.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 10:02:04 pm Josh, I'm pretty sure all their vests are made right here in Texas. I don't know who does the sewing.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on September 28, 2011, 10:03:54 pm I had a devastator on one of my dogs. He got caught going in and sent flying. I expected a cut dog but no cut on him at all and the vest is still being used today just faded. In fairy hog dog land, Dogos don't get cut catching 300# trophy boars they winded, ran down, and held for 2 hours until their master could get to them. ;) Just saying. ;D Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on September 28, 2011, 10:10:16 pm Josh, I'm pretty sure all their vests are made right here in Texas. I don't know who does the sewing. Would Boarmom be the best person on here to verify this Mike? If so, I could PM her. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 28, 2011, 10:11:47 pm Josh, I'm pretty sure all their vests are made right here in Texas. I don't know who does the sewing. Would Boarmom be the best person on here to verify this Mike? If so, I could PM her. Yes, she would be the one. ;) Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: dub on September 28, 2011, 10:14:21 pm I had a devastator on one of my dogs. He got caught going in and sent flying. I expected a cut dog but no cut on him at all and the vest is still being used today just faded. In fairy hog dog land, Dogos don't get cut catching 300# trophy boars they winded, ran down, and held for 2 hours until their master could get to them. ;) Just saying. ;D Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 28, 2011, 10:32:32 pm when I called them about some custom cut collars maybe a year and a half ago the lady told me they didnt make them there. I am almost 100% certain she said they had a company sewing them in South Carolina. That actually makes sense now as for the being the reason they dont do repairs.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: adamp on September 29, 2011, 02:23:22 am Here's my opinion uglydog make the best cut collars I've used so far but, I have also heard that they need to switch back to the old style vest. New ones have been getting pokes frequently(from what I've heard)... the only thing I can say is plated vest stop everything but if you run rcds this may be too much for them.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: boarmom on September 29, 2011, 09:34:49 am We have several people that make vests for us. They are all American made by folks that have been sewing commercially for many years. Most of the vests are our own design and we are constantly working with fabric companies to find the best combination of fabrics, etc. to make the vests the most cut resistant that we can. We listen to comments made by customers as well and take all of them to heart to continually try to make them the best vests on the market. We work closely with the fabricators on all details of the process. Countless hours are spent on this. As far as repairs, we gladly will make them - most people opt to take them to a local saddle shop or upholstery place just because of the shipping and waiting time. We do not have an in-store repair shop and the vests must be shipped to our fabricators. This process often can take a month to complete. We sell hundreds of vests with many repeat customers. We also realize that we can't please everyone, but we do try. We appreciate your comments.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Bump on September 29, 2011, 12:23:28 pm I have a $200+ guardian vest from uglydog. I had 4 layers of kevlar added to the leg flaps, chin flap and body. It has taken lots of cuts and abuse but served my dog very well. I have no complaints and extremely happy with the product. I think it is important to fit the vest properly and always wear a cut collar under the vest. The chin flap is helpful but using a cut collar in addition is the best protection for that vest. My catch dogs can jump in and out of a truck or load from the ground to the top of the dog box while in the vest.
I do not understand why anyone would expect a company to repair a damaged product once it has been used....especially considering the conitions, abuse it goes through. Cuts, tears, broken stiching is all a result of the conditions and use the vest is put through. I do not think it is realistic to compare one cut situation to the next. While hunting circumstances vary and hogs vary....the size of a hog and cutters are always different....so is the situation. There are so many factors that play a role in catching...comparing one hog/cutter size to the other is not realistic. I believe the way a person handles his dogs is the biggest factor when determing the amount of abuse the dog/vest is going to take. I understand situations change and hog breaks etc...but to limit the amount of time a dog spends on a hog is very important. My dogs could get badly hurt or killed at anytime but certain factors can play a roll in the lack of abuse a vest and dog should take. I have no idea how many hogs my oldest catch dog has been on...but it is a lot. There is a reason he is 6 1/2 yrs old. In my dumb opinion this will limit less abuse to the dog and vest....running two vested catch dogs, leading the dogs in to short distances to the bay, running two similar dogs in speed, style, size etc, knowing the conditions you and the dog are entering and handling the hog asap. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on September 29, 2011, 12:31:45 pm Excellant post Mr.Bumpus!
I agree 100% on everything you stated. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 01:19:42 pm I have a $200+ guardian vest from uglydog. I had 4 layers of kevlar added to the leg flaps, chin flap and body. It has taken lots of cuts and abuse but served my dog very well. I have no complaints and extremely happy with the product. It would be ok with you that if your $200+ vest gets blasted and cut through and the neck ripped off on one pig? And your only options that are offered by the maker is wait a month or buy a new one? HELL WANT TO BUY SOME VESTS!?? Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 01:26:43 pm most people opt to take them to a local saddle shop or upholstery place just because of the shipping and waiting time. We do not have an in-store repair shop and the vests must be shipped to our fabricators. This process often can take a month to complete. We sell hundreds of vests with many repeat customers. I appreciate you taking your time to comment on this subject. But UD/WBUSA repairing procedures to me seem half hearted. Almost like a mail in rebate. We will stand by our craftsmanship but not before some sacrifice from the customer has been made. You said you sell to repeat customers do you know why they are repeat customers? I understand one hand feeds the other. Like the old saying that the car companies could make cars that didnt fall apart but why would they? It isnt condusive to a actual business. Which brings me back to my point. You say yall have several facricators that do all your sewing. I am guessing that this is a lowest bidder process in how you find these people. How is your Q&C maintained and how do you detemine if a customer comes to you with a "Normal wear and tear" to a "Defective" vest. Would you replace a deemed Defective vest? Like busted stitching in a vital area would it be deemed a malfuntion? A weld reference was made earlier in that the steel better bend before the weld cracks. Its seems to me that the fabric should have torn before the stitching was torn. That would be a malfuction. TO ME anyways. would be like weakest link in a chain. Dont think the seam is supposed to be the weakest link. I do not understand why anyone would expect a company to repair a damaged product once it has been used.... being in the fabrication industry we do repairs that are extremely costly but we stand by our work. It would be just like a Ford telling you that they wont honor your power train warrany because you drove it. doesnt make much sense at all. [/quote] Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 01:30:36 pm I do agree with everything else that Bumpus said about dogs vs time on hog. but I think yall are missing the point. Not trying to talk bad about anyone or anything just trying to get my facts straight. It has been a long while since my vest was damaged and has been tossed long ago so Iam not looking for anything. But when i called long ago about my vest I was told that they dont repair and dont replace. Like I have said yall make good vests but the vagueness of your policies keep me from buying another one.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 01:35:27 pm that was alot now Iam done with my questions.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Circle C on September 29, 2011, 01:57:19 pm Quote You said you sell to repeat customers do you know why they are repeat customers? I happen to be a repeat customer. Have bought from all three owners of UDR. Krystal, Cody, and Jonathon. My reasons for being a repeat customer are simple. I felt I had a good value for mt money spent. First vest was bought from Krystal for our old catch dog, Meathead. Next vest was bought from Cody, when he reintroduced the Devastator vest, which was purchased for use on Tyson. Last vest was purchased from Jonathon, after he bought UDR from Cody. I liked the Devastator vest I had purchased for Tyson, so I had a custom one made for Mandi's catch dog Tater. In addition to gear from UDR, I have purchased cut gear from Josh White, Los Cazadores, and Valley Creak. Didn't have problems with any of them either. I just liked the UDR product better. That's why I am a repeat customer. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 03:01:53 pm Circle C, I see you are the ambassador of UD/WBUSA can you answer this?
How is your Q&C maintained and how do you detemine if a customer comes to you with a "Normal wear and tear" to a "Defective" vest. Would you replace a deemed Defective vest? Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Circle C on September 29, 2011, 03:37:47 pm Circle C, I see you are the ambassador of UD/WBUSA can you answer this? How is your Q&C maintained and how do you detemine if a customer comes to you with a "Normal wear and tear" to a "Defective" vest. Would you replace a deemed Defective vest? Not an ambassador, just a repeat customer... I would venture to guess that most companies don't really know why they have repeat customers... So as a repeat customer, I explained my situation. It would appear by your recent posts that you just like to stir up DRAMA... I don't care to be drug into it this time... Have a nice day ;D Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: nosightsneeded on September 29, 2011, 07:44:58 pm I just gave my opinion and ask a few questions. I dont think I have stirred up anything. Sorry but ambassador was the only conclusion I could come up With you answering questions that were meant for someone else . I will Send them an email and ask them these questions since they are the wrong ones to ask here.
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Bump on September 29, 2011, 08:45:26 pm I have a $200+ guardian vest from uglydog. I had 4 layers of kevlar added to the leg flaps, chin flap and body. It has taken lots of cuts and abuse but served my dog very well. I have no complaints and extremely happy with the product. It would be ok with you that if your $200+ vest gets blasted and cut through and the neck ripped off on one pig? And your only options that are offered by the maker is wait a month or buy a new one? HELL WANT TO BUY SOME VESTS!?? I would not like it but I have enough sense to understand you have a fabric material expected to hold up against no telling how many pounds of force from an angry hog slinging 1,2,3" cutters to the stitching or any part of the vest. its not even reasonable to think that is not a possibility. If that is the case I would take it to a seamstress, boot maker etc and have it repaired and be back in business in a day. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: JDJP on September 29, 2011, 09:02:31 pm I think its just coming off like you are trying to convince everyone that you should get a new vest because that one didn't hold up.
That's like buying a helmet and wrecking your car in the quarter mile or getting shot with a bulletproof vest. Nothing that's made to take serious abuse is expected to last long. I have a few collars and a couple vests (bayvest and a devastator) from UD and I am happy with them. I think it all comes down to what you've experienced yourself. But when it comes down to it did it keep your dog from getting cut even worse, probably. If your dog got killed or needed $1000 worth of vet costs would you pay $200 to change that outcome just one time? I would. It would be cool to get vests from all the popular companies and do some tests to see how they compare. Like penetration, weight, maneuverability etc Hope your dog heals quick Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: dub on September 29, 2011, 10:55:23 pm I don't speak for them but I look at it like a frag jacket. They save your life once and you get a new one. I would ask if you inspected the seams? I am not trying to blame you but I know I check over my collars and vest when it comes off and before it goes on. Mostly I look for burrs but the seams are easy to check burrs can hide.
Have you even checked with an upulstery shop to see how much it would cost to fix? I bet if you tell them to use whatever color they want it would be cheaper than shipping. If it has holes it is time for a new one. Each hole was a time your dog's life was saved. It sounds to me like you just want to blame someone. I may be wrong, it is just how it sounds to me. Stuff happens, no serious injuries, life is good. Glad your dog ok. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: SCHitemHard on September 29, 2011, 11:11:08 pm i dont own a catchvest anymore, never had a high quality one, mine was made with leather and old fire hose from the local FD, but it held up and it saved some dogs before
but my next vest is gonna be a WBUSA vest ;) ;D JMO Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: jsh on September 30, 2011, 06:01:13 am I feel like I am can give an honest opinion regarding WBUSA. First off I probably have about $600 worth of their equipment in my gear box currently - 2 Devastators, break sticks, leads, hobbles, T-shirts, etc....
I fully believe in the Devastators...... The only complaint I have is when they introduced the Boar Bib, my cousin purchased 2 for his dogs. The first hunt, a small boar with 1/4" teeth shredded the bib. I mean tore it up all the way through. When he called in, he was pretty much told tough luck and sorry. Right after that they redesigned it with Kevlar and increased the price. I understand the price increase as there is added cost in adding the extra protection, but I think they should have added it to his for cost only, shipping only or free. When you buy a product called a 'Boar" Bib you expect it to hold up better than that on a small hog. I have been hunting long enough to understand that 1/4" teeth can do substantial damage, but the fact that they redesigned the product tells me they knew it was weak. Again, just an honest opinion. I am a long time customer and recommend them to anyone who asks and will continue to order my cut gear from them, but I do see why at times people get frustrated in certain situations. Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: adamp on October 01, 2011, 02:57:55 am I have a $200+ guardian vest from uglydog. I had 4 layers of kevlar added to the leg flaps, chin flap and body. It has taken lots of cuts and abuse but served my dog very well. I have no complaints and extremely happy with the product. I think it is important to fit the vest properly and always wear a cut collar under the vest. The chin flap is helpful but using a cut collar in addition is the best protection for that vest. My catch dogs can jump in and out of a truck or load from the ground to the top of the dog box while in the vest. I do not understand why anyone would expect a company to repair a damaged product once it has been used....especially considering the conitions, abuse it goes through. Cuts, tears, broken stiching is all a result of the conditions and use the vest is put through. I do not think it is realistic to compare one cut situation to the next. While hunting circumstances vary and hogs vary....the size of a hog and cutters are always different....so is the situation. There are so many factors that play a role in catching...comparing one hog/cutter size to the other is not realistic. I believe the way a person handles his dogs is the biggest factor when determing the amount of abuse the dog/vest is going to take. I understand situations change and hog breaks etc...but to limit the amount of time a dog spends on a hog is very important. My dogs could get badly hurt or killed at anytime but certain factors can play a roll in the lack of abuse a vest and dog should take. I have no idea how many hogs my oldest catch dog has been on...but it is a lot. There is a reason he is 6 1/2 yrs old. In my dumb opinion this will limit less abuse to the dog and vest....running two vested catch dogs, leading the dogs in to short distances to the bay, running two similar dogs in speed, style, size etc, knowing the conditions you and the dog are entering and handling the hog Sums it all up Do you run any dogs on the ground with bay vest with extra layers extra layers? I was curious as to how much it alters weight a flexibility? Now that its cooling down and feel I can run them again id like to get some new ones Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Hamilton_hogger on October 01, 2011, 12:46:11 pm everybody that has replied to this post think they know it all about vests and collars. well hogs have tusks...sharp ones, thats how they defend therselves so when you buiy one you need to know its not gonna last forever. casey didnt ask for everybodies opinion on differnt vests thats just how it goes. it kinda stumps me how so many people have there "professional" opnions on these kinda things then people have to think other people are being smartasses. i just cant stand a know-it-all. it doesnt matter what kind of vest u have if you get on a bad hog especially one thats been dogged before, he know what it takes to hurt a dog or get away from it, so if your not there immediatly to take care of the situation things likethis will happen. I happened to be the one that took mr. lee hunting that night and that dog is no chump he catches and holds no shaking no jumping around jusholding so it was just not very good craftsmanship on that particualr vest. atleast need a flap over top of the week spot (stitching) kind of like vehicles theres good makes and models in all of them dodge chevy ford . just dont buy one that was made on a monday.. that is all
Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: Mike on October 01, 2011, 01:40:45 pm everybody that has replied to this post think they know it all about vests and collars. well hogs have tusks...sharp ones, thats how they defend therselves so when you buiy one you need to know its not gonna last forever. casey didnt ask for everybodies opinion on differnt vests thats just how it goes. it kinda stumps me how so many people have there "professional" opnions on these kinda things then people have to think other people are being smartasses. i just cant stand a know-it-all. it doesnt matter what kind of vest u have if you get on a bad hog especially one thats been dogged before, he know what it takes to hurt a dog or get away from it, so if your not there immediatly to take care of the situation things likethis will happen. I happened to be the one that took mr. lee hunting that night and that dog is no chump he catches and holds no shaking no jumping around jusholding so it was just not very good craftsmanship on that particualr vest. atleast need a flap over top of the week spot (stitching) kind of like vehicles theres good makes and models in all of them dodge chevy ford . just dont buy one that was made on a monday.. that is all So I'm assuming this your "professional smart ass" opinion??? Title: Re: Re: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: muleman on October 02, 2011, 10:03:18 pm everybody that has replied to this post think they know it all about vests and collars. well hogs have tusks...sharp ones, thats how they defend therselves so when you buiy one you need to know its not gonna last forever. casey didnt ask for everybodies opinion on differnt vests thats just how it goes. it kinda stumps me how so many people have there "professional" opnions on these kinda things then people have to think other people are being smartasses. i just cant stand a know-it-all. it doesnt matter what kind of vest u have if you get on a bad hog especially one thats been dogged before, he know what it takes to hurt a dog or get away from it, so if your not there immediatly to take care of the situation things likethis will happen. I happened to be the one that took mr. lee hunting that night and that dog is no chump he catches and holds no shaking no jumping around jusholding so it was just not very good craftsmanship on that particualr vest. atleast need a flap over top of the week spot (stitching) kind of like vehicles theres good makes and models in all of them dodge chevy ford . just dont buy one that was made on a monday.. that is all So I'm assuming this your "professional smart ass" opinion??? Kinda what I was thinking.... Title: Re: Gaurdian catch vest Post by: muddogger98 on October 02, 2011, 10:42:48 pm wow!! this is still on going :o
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