EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Now that the madness is over, what did you get?

What??

They sold quick, and I mean QUICK!!!!!!   ;)

Its a permitted hunt on 'South West Florida Water Management District' lands owned by the District....I sure wish the SFWMD would open up their properties!  We were going to shoot for one of the weekend hunts but not being familiar with the area / hunter ethics and the 'brucellosis and psuedorabies' warning was enough to deter us for atleast this year....but it sure looks like it is going to be nice weather!

Cutter, are they drawn or are they a scramble for first come / first serve?  I thought they were drawn.

FCFS

They are TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, and THURSDAYS.  No weekend hunts offered.

Is this what i got? 

I thought there were some later in the year that were weekends?  maybe not I may have been looking at the wrong dates  :D, how is the hunting typically and how are the ethics of the other hunters on average?

SHHHHHHHHH  ;)

Hunting ethics are horrible, but I have come to expect that from most Floridians.   ;)

I got that Coker Prairie hunt Feb 7-9.

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Hunting ethics are horrible, but I have come to expect that from most Floridians.   ;)
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I did not get any of them.  >:(   Glad I am a Hoosier just living in Fl.

A synopsis for you texas folks. I hope your state never ends like this.

The state of Fl buys millions and millions of acres of swamp land, old ranches and state "deemed" needed land. All in the name of "water management and easement areas. They buy Billions and Billions of dollars worth of land with tax payer money. Bought from the pockets of every tax dollar in Fl.

Then it cannot be touched by anybody. The open a few limited areas for hiking and horseback riding.

Then in the goodness of there heart....the "allow" hunters to hunt hogs on 1/2000 of the land they own, that we paid for and charge us $50 for 3 days access out of the whole year. That you have to draw over the computer on a first come first serve basis.Because the hogs become "too much to handle".

BTW this is the only hunting allowed on Millions of acres because the hogs are a nuisance. And the permits sold out in less than 6 minutes.

Sounds like a great deal for Fl hunters HUH? rolleyes

but we live  in a free country... ??? rolleyes

Texas is getting that way too...

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I didnt get a one Cutter. I rememberd about it at about 4 o clock this afternoon and it was to late by then. Really wanted to get the Alston hunt. We hunt the mine property that borders that tract on the south side. Always runnin hogs in and outta there. Got the GSW hunt though. Not to excited about that one though. Some "characters" runnnin around in there.

Hunted GSW the past 6 years. I purposely did not put in for it this year. I'm done with it.

Well said cajunl... the way I see it is they are using the land as their own private pulp wood plantation... they don't give a chit about protecting anything... clear cut it all, kill all the hardwood, and plant money pine.... only let hunters in when the deer/hogs begin to damage saplings... all about the money.... 

I've got water management land butting up to every single place I hunt... NOTHING is done with it other than being managed for pine.

I've tried going the legal route and formally requesting "trapping rights" to those properties for over 10 years and it is a farce... I have been lied to over and over and over again... I last was told by the director of resources that the USDA had rights on the properties I was interested in... SO... I went straight to the USDA office in Gainesville that I personally do work for... THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY RECORD OF USDA TRAPPERS ANYWHERE IN THEIR RECORDS.

...using our hard earned tax dollars to yank our own land out from beneath our feet... make a chit pile of money off of it... just to raise our taxes again because they blew it all and say they need more...

F#@K THEM.  F#@K the bureaucrat manipulation by a few corporate A-HOLES looking to pad the wallet of those that paid the way for them to be in office.

I HATE our current government to say the least...  and I'll be DAMNED if I'm gonna give them $$$$ to hunt what rightfully belongs to the people.

 sounds like a revolt is coming near! hopefully nation wide, but if it aint coming, it should >:D

Cajun and Noah said it right. Hikers and horse back riders get free access year round for free. Then when it comes to the hunters we have to pay again, after we purchased the land with are tax money. The SWWM hunts suck, people stealing dogs. Dropping the box on your dogs when they find and catch one then try to say the hog is theirs. On the other hand, all their land do have a good hopg population!! >:D Here is a hunt I was on when they dropped the box on me. Caught hog then 10 head of dog from no where!!!
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I got alston tract. They only give out 11 permits hopefully it won't be to bad.   Noah I didn't realize you felt so strongly against water management, I was gunna try to get you and mark out there at least one of the days. You wouldn't have to pay if it makes you feel any better ;D

our biggest area in the mountains of sc. has one road throuh it.its gated on each end.they open on sept. 15 for deer hunting.we get to dog it jan.2 through march 1.they close the gates jan.2nd and reopen them april 1st for turkey season.hey!whats up with that?we can hunt it by foot but it would involve miles of walking just to find hogs.

As for the water management shot callers...

I see those jackoffs the same way I see the current salt water fisheries management council... taking resources away from the people using uneducated, FABRICATED science/statistics to justify rules meant to make money for the private sector... Insider trading with national resources...

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

I have always respected just and logical law... I do not, however, abide by nonsense bureaucratic red tape.  The good law enforcement officers AND JUDGES know the difference...

I 100% support the management of all resources, but when one sees that the government is abusing it's power concerning "public use" of "public land"...   what else is there to do but REBEL.

I foresee a whole new generation of outlaws being created by current government mangagement practices...

I agree 100%... :) and this is worth repeating...

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

Oh boy, I sure wish I was gonna be able to make this. People better watch out drop the box on Brian, that will be a sight to see if that happens lol.

Man, i didn't know it was like that!  What happened to respect for other hunters?  SOme of the story's ive heard are crazy.  I sure hope they don't drop the box on me!  (they better locked there doors and fireproof there homes)

After hearing the stories from several friends that hunted Florida last year... I can honestly say I don't think I will EVER turn one of my dogs out on a Florida hog.   We have some unsavory characters in Texas, but I have never heard of so much BS involving hog dogging as I have heard about that Florida trip.   Dumping dogs, claiming hogs, etc.   Just not worth it for me.   

I'm saving my bail money now.  I ready to roll. 

This is gonna be a fun week.

The saddest part about that is I doubt it was exagerated at all.  It is basically all we know on public lands in Florida.  I have yet to accept it though.  I am quick to share my feelings on it in the timber.   ;)

CBK,

     I think one of the differences that was mentioned is the number of permits given per acre of land.  I don;t recall the exact numbers, but lets say it was 100 hunters on 30,000 acres, all hitting the same block of woods in the short hunting period.

Whereas when we were able to hunt the national forest, you may have a 100 or more hunters, but it was on 160,000 acres, and the "season" was about 4 times as long.

I suspect that the hunters and their lack of ethics are similar, it's just that the population density of public land hunting is more dense in Florida.

You take some/ possibly most of the national forest hunters here in Texas, and give them a week or two to hunt 30k acres, you would be reading about how sorry the Texas hunters are about dumping hogs, and claiming hogs...

It's no wonder why the general populous has a poor attitude toward hog doggers.

Chris,

You hit it right on the head.  With this agency, they plan 4 hunt permits per 1000 acres of land.  Each permit allows the permit holder, and 2 adult helpers.  They can also bring two additional youth up to 16 years old.  So it is possible to see 5 people per permit. 

Cutter, how many permits where givin where we are hunting? 

Oh I'm ready too.  I'll be the first to go, nobody is going to take my unicorn!  >:( ;)

20 .  Keep in mind I know of 4 that are taken.   ;)

And there all outlaws aren't they?  ;)

Only a few, but the others can be coaxed easily.   >:D

Your not calling me an outlaw, are you cutter :angel:

Rebel, rebel, rebel. The time is near or has past. If nothn is done to stop it soon, by the time the red tape trail is severed, it'll b to late. The damage will hav been done n b dam hard to reverse it under the normal legal system. Bein an outlaw only puts a black mark on all hunters, no matter what animal is hunted. I used to hunt illegal, but it was just to put food on the table n in my families stomach. Never did it just to dispite the laws for sh!ts n grins. Somethn has to b done to stop the political upheaval that is waging a heavy burden on the tax payers for the personal gain of the politicians

In my county and surrounding, between the county, swiftmud and the state park there is over 100 thousand acres of preserves with no hunting allowed. The same guy is the trapper for all of them. He makes his living off of trapping hogs. If it was private land I say good for him. Since my tax dollars paid for the land thats not my stance. Why not allow regular hunters who pay for that property to harvest those hogs? He has so much property that he can't keep up with it, and what is his incentive to? As long as there are hogs he has a job. I was in one of them the other day and every road and manicured area was tore up by hogs. I'd sure be happy to help out. Even if I couldn't take dogs. I'd love to take my boy out there and shoot a couple. If it's guns that the problem just allow bow. If its poaching thats their worried about, they are dillusional if they don't think its happening already.  I'm with Noah on this one and the fisheries management.

 Quick story
 My brother in law was out on a local river recently with his northern cousin. I was supposed to go but my boat broke. They went out at night to show him some gators and stuff. No laws were broken or intended to be broken. The helicopter flew over him for over and hr. On his way home. 6 deputies jumped out of the bushes with night vision goggles, guns drawn, put your hands in the air, full cop routine. Now his 10yr old cousin has a bright headlamp on and obviously looks right at the cops. They start yelling and stuff, kid doesn't realize what he is doing. Cops detain and harrass them for 30 mins before letting them go because they did not do anything wrong. How many tax dollars did that little stunt cost?
  A yr ago I was bowfishing with same brother in law. Someone calls cops on us. We were 100% legal. Cops pull up on us and draw guns. Again full cop, hands in the air drop your weapons stuff.  I was standing on a bridge and tried to explain that I didn't want to drop my bow 5'. They wouldn't hear it and had guns pointed so I dropped it. Detained us and 3 teenage bow that were just watching for 45min before telling us to carry on because what we were doing was legal.
 Sorry about my rant!

Got my permits in the mail today.  ;D

Me too, any particular reason you picked flying eagle cutter?

Typing a PM now.

cutter with 20 people being able to hunt on 1000 ac at a time i consider that alot, do yall? also that could mean around 12 dogs on the ground at a time and at least 4 or 5 trucks around the blocks? man yall doing real good to catch hogs with all that going on, not to mention the stress of the other hunters interferring with your bays, dogs etc... thats sad it has to be like that. guess you have tryed to voice your opinion on the matter to no avail?

Geronimo,

your assumptions are correct. 90% of the time it is a bonfide cluster f%*k! ;D

Privately yes. The commission may say they want the general public's opinion, but that is all a legality.

i gotcha, thats usually the way it works? oh well, i guess if you can catch hogs like that then your dogs will be shinning in a better scenrio.

So what are you saying ??

Real simple. Dog hunter etiquette has gone by the wayside. The men that took me in and showed me the ropes were all old timers. They were all retired. They were both legal and merciful. They did not kill to brag.  They were fair to the local population. When they dispatched an animal, it was quick. If someone did wrong, they would call the game warden on their CB, and report any wrongdoing. They were all respected by their piers, and did not hesitate to help someone who wanted to learn. It pained me as years would go by, and I would hear of one of them passing. I would he surprised if any of them are alive today. When the passed, I swear they took common courtesy with them. You just can't find it anymore.

When I look around while at public hunts today, it really ticks me off.  My dogs can be locked down bayed, and I'll see some clown cutting his dogs to them.  I swear part of the problem is people are packing sorry dogs. They are not used to a dog that can bay until the owner gets to them. If they hear a bay for 1 minute, they assume no one is going to them. They will cut their rough catch dogs loose thinking no one will know.  I take pride knowing I don't have to run to a bay.  My dogs will be bayed until I show up, or the hog breaks.  I'll stop there for know. I've got to go take a blood pressure pill.  >:(

HAHA, yeah to hell with those public hunts... good way to get your hard earned dogs hurt or stolen by idiots turning into them...

Too many people allowed to hunt at once.  If they would spread the permits out over more time it would solve the issue instantly....

Same amount of permits, just spaced out so as not to create interference between hunters...

I read somewhere recently that the SWMD people were bragging about how efficient their "management plan" was, in that, "over a hundred hogs were removed last yr".... ARE YOU SERIOUS?   We've killed over 200 hogs off of one ranch alone just this last year.

These people are just your typical bureaucrats that have no F-ing idea how to manage their way out of a wet paper bag...

Well let's hear some ideas then, what is, or what would your strategy be.

I'm thinking if everyone was actually spread out evenly you'd alwas be within like 1000 yds of the next group.
So I can imagine dogs are gunna go to other bays that they hear, or your dogs could run a hog into another area where other people are at. And I can se how it could turn into, "my dogs were on it first".

But some of us don't have places to go whenever I get a day off.


Come on I don't want to read anymore about how bad its gunna suck..
We have to adapt to the situation.
And along the same line geronimo was saying, if you can have success in a crappy situation, you can feel that much better about it. Like shooting a big buck on public land.

 o how would you handle a place this congested?

Short range rough dogs with plenty of hands to surround the block and cut off dogs...

Had several friends loose high dollar dogs out at mallory swamp from their long range dogs runnin' off property and private land owners killin' the dog out of frustration of the amount of dumba$$es crossing their property line...

Love to hear CrackerC's opinion on this as he hunts them a lot and knows the game much better than I.

I hunt them plenty, and make a point to stand up for myself. That alone generally gets the attention and word out.   ;)

I don't hunt them that much, but I'm going to be in town during February. I've hunted in and all around Coker prairie in my younger days. Ain't no fence or gate ever been able to keep me off "public" land. ;) Good lookin woods in there and lots of hogs. Figured $50 split 3 ways ain't to bad to be able to hunt it again legally. I usually hunt one dog at a time on these type of hunts. Never a shortage of googans on these hunts, but huntin one rough, close range dog helps eliminate "most" problems. Public land dog hunts suck anywhere you go. Two weeks ago here in Tennessee, it was a three ring circus in these mountains. I'm really surprised no one was killed. You can try and take anyones dog you want, just don't ever let me catch you takin mine ;) Be safe and catch 'em up.

I guess thats what its calld nowdays when  ur dogs r stolen. How would u adapt to it? Its chitty when then gov steals ur tax dollars, buys land out from under folks, n then says, if u want to use it, pay me for what used to every1s. Folks shouldnt hav to adapt to that. If u think we should, then u might as well be a prison warden. Mayb u should hav ur freedoms taken away n ghe rest say just adspt to it. Florida aint my state n hope nvr to visit, but it sucks for u folks that are there n r putn up with that kinda gov buerocrap. If tx gets that way, we need to start thinnin the heard from tax waistin

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I love listening to people talk about how messed up our government is. It's just sooooo interesting to hear everyone's politcal point of view .

Let's start a new post, and instead of complaining about it, let's talk about what we can do to fix it. All that Passion is wasted here in these little posts. I have beliefs, and opinions. Besides knowing jesus, is it going to help me that you know those beliefs and opinions....no

Put words into action, and ill do what I can to help.

Me: The weather is nice today.

You: You know, those weather people suck. They can't predict anything. Where do they get off taking time out of my news program trying to tell me what the weather may or may not be. Back in my day we looked at the sky to tell what the weather is doing blah blah

?????

X2 I'm lost

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HAHA, I agree with you JDJP... however, this is what is called the "brainstorming" part of things... got to talk to each other to figure out what the root of the problem is before one can come up with a solution....

I am all about solutions, trust me... bitchin' never fixed anything...

....So what would you like this new topic to be about, fixing SWMD or the government in general?   Quite a complex subject to say the least...  ;) ;D

where's ma rose colored glasses? ??? ;D

 That's me off on a tangent about them going off on a tangent.

The problem is the gov. An we all agree? The solution, utilise our rights, remove them n elect a new 1. Now noah, the real braistorming begins. How do we get the old gov out, and the new gov in? Now for the weather here. Sun is rising above the mnts, slight bit of cool in the air with the local town burnin somethn, n its sprinklin soot. Now lets turn it ovr to ur local sports network.

HAHA, you crack me up... you seem crazy enough for me to actually like  ;D  When the chit goes down, I want you in my camp  ;)

Also, I kinda grew up with this bs. I havnt had the chance to experiance better in my short life. The way I've thought about it is, at least it not more condos, and houses, and malls. I am just happy its not getting developed. So I guess I do have rose glasses on.

Noah, don't know what to call the post but I think its gunna get a little bigger than swiftmud

I grew up round this topic too. Always thought my dad was crazy. Bout 10yrs ago, i pulld my head out of my 3rd point of contact, cleard my nostrils n eyes n smelld the real poo the gov is spilln out n seen it first hand. Still seein it now, especialy in afghanistan. I guess if folks want to be a sheep led to slaughtr, then thats on them. Im not, im gona fight back n take a piece of them with me

That's why the only public land I hunt is the St. Johns River. In my 20 plus years of hunting there I never had a problem.  I use to hunt Tosohatchee every year. You would run into other peoples dogs occasionally but not to much. That's to be expected on public land.   

If you are gonna hunt the public land hunts you come to expect. If you don't want people showing up at your bays claiming caught hogs then don't go. A lot of the people that go that is the best/only place they have to hunt.

They problem with Fl is there is no unified front for dog hunters. The Central Fl dog hunters association can't keep there website calender updated, let alone keep up with state issues.

For example. There is an organization called United Waterfowlers of Florida. We have a couple hundred members scattered everywhere. Every public water management district meeting in the state, someone is there. Every public state meeting involving hunting, someone is there. At every water management land meeting we are the only hunting organization represented. There is no dog hunting groups, there are no deer hunting groups, there are no turkey hunting groups. However there is usually 2-3 anti hunting groups. Who do you think has the advantage?

Besides what B.S. hog hunts we get on wmd, Guess the only other hunting allowed on Water district lands? Duck Hunting! That is not a coincidence. We chip away and chip away, year after year and get results!

You have to be willing to fight in the political game...The anti's do and they are winning.

A person shouldnt hav to choose to hunt or not because there are low life a-holes who dont hav consideration for other or the other person's dogs. Its those types of people who shouldnt go huntn. Sayin if u dont like the possibility of havin ur dogs/hogs stolen then dont go is about as dumb as saying just desl with it. Its calld piss poor hunter ethics n no1 should hav to just deal with it or sit at hm. People got some jacked up veiws for huntn public land. Just bc they r gq public person #1, dont mean they r the only perdon that matters. Iv huntd public land for nearly 15yrs n wont stay hm or deal with it just so the rest who aint got no honor can continue to bully n push there way n scare the rest off for their personal gain.

you are 100% right... :)

I realy dont undrstand the thinkn that if u dont want ur dogs stolen then u should stay hm. Havin ur dogs stolen bc u want to hunt aint just dealn with it, its BULLCHIT. If a person thinks that way bout anothr suposed fellow hunter show no morals or respect, especialy if its on public land. The land should be free range, not ur dogs. Today more n more huntrs r lookn for the easy n free road, riding on the sucess of other and dragin the honest down to to the trash level with bad publicity, where the general public views ALL hunters as bad. If u thnk anu1 ought to stay hm or deal with it, then ur no better than the criminals stealn dogs, gear or just ur common hm burgler