EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

i talk to a land owner the other day. and he gave me and a buddy permission to start hunting his land. and that the neighbors would want the same thing done. removing the hogs off the land. we told him we will let him know when we cum to hunt. and will give him sum meat.he said thats fine. he said the hogs get bad in the winter time. lots of bottoms. but then he says  he already has sum guys doing the same thing. running dogs  supose to be catchin hogs but nevere sees them with any. and that they they dont ever catch anything. also that his  neighbor has seen them on the back of there land. but he never sees them or hears of them gettin hogs off the land.. he told us to go ahead and start but just let him know..  im not good with that area. but i know its alot of bottoms. and the hogs are there..    should we just start hunting.  and wait until we bump into the other guys that  hunt there. or should we wait afew weeks or what.. i know the hogs are there. and the land owner said we can run our dogs..

Id go ahead an hunt jus keep an eye out for the other guys an keep a check on ur dogs if possible. The other guys gotta be parkin somewhere so u should know if they are there or not.

Well if it were me i wouldn't hunt the place at all knowing some else already has permission to hunt the place but that's just me i was taught by the older hog hunters you don't step on another hunters toes jmo

I see by your profile that you are 13, let me ask a couple questions.
Did you personally get permission from the OWNER of this property?

If he has others hunting his land, he should know who they are and the basic contact info right?

how are you getting transportation to and from this property. The reason I ask is if your father is involved then he should be able to either speak to the other hunters or make the decision to say, screw it, we got permission, its now our spot.

I applaud you for not wanting to step on toes  and hope this attitude makes you lots of friends gets you plenty of hunting lands. Always remember to be above reproach in all your ways.

Don't play with fire and you shouldn't smell like smoke

Good luck kiddo

I would ask the land owner for there number and call them , tell them you have gotten permission , deciede why your talking to them if there the kind of people you would hunt with , ask a few questions ,  do your dogs bark on track ect. you should be able to tell real quick the calabier of hunter , person , dogs they are , if you think your hunting stile fits invite them with ya , if not you have talk to them and maybe they will bring your dog home when you loose it instead of stealing it or worse killing it  JMO.     GOOD LUCK

I ran into a similar deal several years ago down in Pearsall, TX .   I had a deer lease, and on the way to the lease I was always passing some center pivot fields of corn, peanuts, etc.  One day I was at the feed store and asked who owned the place. They gave me his information, and I called him.  Super nice guy, had me meet him at one of his fields so he could show me around the place. Turns out he had about 14k acres in Frio county. While he was showing me the place, he mentioned that one other man had permission to hunt the place. First thing I did was find out who the other man was.  Turned out to be Mr Charles Gasch.  As soon as  I got to my truck, I located Mr Gasch's phone number and called him to let him know what had occurred, and that had I known someone was already hunting the place, I never would have pursued it. Mr Gasch was real nice, and said that he never hunted that side of the county, to go ahead and hunt it. He also warned me about one particular neighbor on another field that had shot some dogs in the past.   

I decided to turn out on the pivot with good neighbors...  First hunt out there, I ran into two trucks full of guys and dogs... I won't mention names, but they are members here, and claimed to be hunting that place 2-3 times a week for years. Nothing but a bunch of damn outlaws...   First and last time I ever set foot on that property.  However, due to the way I handled my end of the business, Mr Gasch and I have no problems.

My suggestion is that you figure out who is already hunting the place, and discuss it with them, prior to turning dogs out.

You need to talk to the other guys hunting. Number one rule between hog hunters...dont hunt a place already hunted by another hog dogger. If there are issues...get with people and land owner.

It will be you one day in the other position.

Bump,

    I didn't think that rule existed in central Texas anymore... :o

Or the rest of Texas for that matter  :P

The land owner rules. That means his rules go, if he said hunt then the other guys cant do nothing and you arent int he wrong at all for hunting there!

haha Right

curdawgs,

   I used to know a couple of backdooring SOB's from Brazoria county that had that same opinion...  Another phrase they liked to drop was "There's plenty of hogs to go around"   >:D

And then respect comes into play...

I WOULDNT HUNT IT TIL I TALKED WITH THEM. IT AINT BACKDOORIN BUT ID WANT THE OTHER GUY TO CALL ME IF THE TABLES WERE TURNED.

It does...and there is a right and wrong way to handle the situation. Ethics has a lot to do with a persons character. I dang sure wouldnt bring you around any of my places. Talking with the landowner and communication is easy and will go a long way.


It doesnt Im afraid. Especially when they get in on your really good places. Unfortunately there are lots of hog hunters who lack morals or making sound judgement.

  Find out who hunts it and talk to them. I wouldn't hunt it with out talking to the other guys,not worth the problems.

I have a ranch that a other guy hunts. I go by the land owners rules call b4 u go out and carry your written permission I came up on the other guy 1 night 4 and treated him like a poacher till he showed me his permission he wasn't very happy with me he called the owner and told him wat happened the owner said it was him that didn't follow the rules wat did he expect after things cooled down we exchanged phone # and get along fine even hunt together the best advise I can give u is contact the other guy b 4 u go so he knows u r supposed to b there and treat him like u would like to b treated good luck

I think you should get with the other guy too.. It doesnt take much talking to ruin your reputation now days.. Make the other guy mad at you and no telling what you will be labled as.

Chris is the Charles Gasch you spoke of from out around plesington? He is who got me into this hog huntin deal. The wife and I went on a hunt on the Jones Ranch down there for our 10th anniversary...  ;D (she wanted Vegas) >:D just wondering if it was the same guy.

Same guy.

Circle C, Aint no body talkn about back doorin, Boss! We are talking about having permission from the owner. So where did back dooring come into the scene. Did he hunt with the other guys then get the landowners info? if so then it is back dooring. If not then you are only going by permission of the landowner, if he says you should contact them then hammer down and it would be ok to do so but it dont make you a bad person or a crook if the landowner gives you permission and you dont call them.

I definately dont appreciate being called an SOB if you were. Thats disrespectfull and I dont care if you are a medeator. I have never back doored anyone, have always been upfront and in many cases have lost time and money to do the right thing. I have never said anything disrespectfull to anyone on here and dotn expect that from anyone!

Ok curdawgs so im clear on this what your saying is that say me for instance comes along and talks to a land owner and he tells me yea go right ahead and hunt my place anytime you want you have my permission to but another guy hunts it to the other guy being you i should just go hunt and if i see you out hunting to just say to bad i got permission to so deal with it sorry but that's not how it's suppose to be done what you should do is respectfully tell the land owner thanks but you already have a man hunting your place and its an unwritten law amongst hog hunters not to hunt behind a hunter who already has permission to hunt

I wasn't calling you an sob.... I am saying there used to be a backdooring sob that used to say the same thing...

thanks for the help. i think.. didnt want to start up a mess here.. guess i will try to get ahold of the people who hunt there. and tell them the deal.. we are not trying to start anything withh other hunters or people for that matter...it would be the propper way. to let them know we will be hunting there. we did get permission. and the land owner wants the hogs gone.

 not trying to step on toes or break any old fashion rules..  but if u got land to hunt more land to hunt then what u can hunt. ( some people have alot of land to hunt more then what they can cover)  u shouldnt get mad when sumone else starts hunting a spot they got permission to hunt. just like u got permission.. now if u can cover all the land u hunt then thats fine.. but if u only go there every so often or just a few times ayear... ur not helping the land owner with their problem... honey holes are nice. and hold hogs. but i thought we are trying to help stop the hog problem and have fun doing it.. if the land owner dont want the hogs there. then they gotta go.. and if ur not doing the job. then sumone else has to and will.. just like any job. the job has to be done..  land owners dont want hogs for a reason.

 how many land owners u know of that says yea u can hunt hogs on my land  but only every so often.. or when people pay u to catch them a hog with ur dogs. then its fine.

 AND WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF IM 13 OR 35.. WE HUNT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE... OTHER WISE WE WOULDNT BE ASKING FOR ADVICE

Muddogger I don't think anybody was saying anything about your age in a negative way. Threads like this always get people going. I agree with what you think. many hog hunters think that when they get permission to hunt they own the land. Others just want to be treated with respect.

My two cents is that the land owner is the land owner. If he wants hogs gone and the hunter with permission ain't getting it done then that hunter may need some help. So I would say if you got permission get the other person's info and call them. Not to ask for permission from them but out of respect and to avoid a bad situation. They may think you are a poacher and things get ugly. I know for a fact people on here have got permission and then walked away when when they found out there was another hunter. But if you are 13 and you have to walk to hunt then you are limited to where you can hunt and people should respect that too even if you can get a ride. It seems to me that you are a a young man that shows respect to others and I have no doubt you will handle this in a respectful manner. I wish my 13 year old son had half the respect for others you have. So no matter what you do have a bit of respect from me.

It matters because you are an inexperienced kid asking for advice from adults who more than likely have had experience and understanding of the situation. The majority of the concensus by reputable people here is to not hunt the property....not at this time until the landowner understands the situation or other person is contacted.

The point is the other hunter has permission to hunt the property and coming behind him and gaining permission to hunt is not right and lacks morals. This is not an "old fashion rule" it is how good people hunt. This is not a job...it is a hobby and it can possibly help the landowner. Determining how many times or hogs a person is catching is not the question, neither is the amount of property an individual has to hunt.


This role will be reversed one day and I be willing to bet you would want the same respect.

thank u dub. and yes me and my dad will do our best to contatct the other guy. who is suppose to be huntin there. we dont want no one to intrude on us so we will do the same. we will do our best to get ahold of the other hunter and let them know.. we will be huntin that property. we dont want anything bad out of this.. but we asked the land owner and he said yes we got his permission.. now if the other hunt is not doing his job. then that is on him. we do it for the fun of the hunt.. and to help out land owners.. if we can make money we will. but thats not what its about. thats just a added plus if u can. the other hunter might only go there every so often. or might no sumthing we dont. but we got permission. and the land owner wants the hogs gone. so we are going to do our best and help the land owner..

 and to other hunters out there. if u got permission to hunt more land then what u can... just know that this sport is growing. and there is people starting or just getting into it... and there is always sumone out there looking for more spots to hunt... if u dont want to lose a property. or any body else huntin it..  it would be in ur best interest to make the land owner happy.. every peace of land is different.. but u are suppose to be helping the land owners with their problem.. not just hunting the land when u want to. or u hunt it when u are getting payed. or when u just want to.. know this... u got permission to help the land owner.. and if the landowner is not happy or satisfied.. other hunters will do what the land owner ask for.. and in this case thats getting rid of the hogs off their land. so dont get mad at another hunter if ur not getting rid of the hogs. u think that the land owner and the hogs are going to wait for u.. then u need to pull ur head out of the clouds.. and cum back to reality..  u do ur job and u wont have to worry about other hunters moving in..  and the job is getting rid of the hogs.

PeeWee, Im really not trying to argue with anyone about this. Nothing is ever wrong with common courtisy. I give coutisy everytime I can. What Im saying if you dotn then its not wrong. If anyone as a sportman cant run into another sporotmans in the woods hunting and not be respectful then they have a problem. When I run into someone all I have to do (and I actually have had to do this) is load up my dogs, I ask them how they are doing, have they seen anything, tell them the same about my hunt find out where they are headed and go the other way. Simple and easy.

I am a land owner and when I give folks permission to hunt my land, I do not expect them to call the other folks to warn them that they are coming. As a matter of a fact, I would be insulted if guy 1 thought that guy 2 should call and warn him. He doesnt pay for upkeep or taxes on my land and further more he didnt buy the land and is only a guest. He is in no position to get angry or insulted at anybody that I gave permission to hunt on my land for not calling him. When I hunt other ppls land, I always call the landowner everytime I hunt. If he says someone else is there then I dont go. If they are calling him like I do then there porobably wont be any run ins. If there is then I see it as a problem of the other guy for not notifying the landowner. I would NEVER EVER back door someone.

On another note, next Febuary when the WMA's open up for hunting, I call dibs on the Union WMA in northern Louisiana. Its about 11,000 acres but due to the unspoken "hunters rule" I should get excluvie use of this place. ????????

Guys, dont try to make me out to be a bad "hunter" here. Like Im breaking some golden rule. I am courtious and I would and do call when I can and it is convinient. But I am a busy man and barely have time to hunt and spend time working and with family so if I dotn have time and I have permission from the landwoner then Im not going to track down some other hunter.

we talk to our land ownerS before we hunt and after... to let them know when we are there. and that we are trying our best to help them with their problem... yea its a hobby  or a job  or just good old fashion fun..  to hunt they way we do. and it might not be rite to go and ask people for permission to hunt their. but how do we know if sumone is already hunting it. u never know that till u ask the land owner.. but if the land owner want the hogs gone. and already has sumone that has permission to be hunting it.  then yes that could be wrong on our part for asking permission...  but we ask alot of people and they say yes or no.. the land owners choice. not ours... and if they say yes. then will will start hunting that peace of land..  now in this case. we cant just move in and kick out. thats why i asked for advice.. and if my age has sumthing to do with hunting. then i must be a man. i asked for permission. and i got it. if the other hunter is not making the land owner happy. then thats on  him... we will not just move in on this property. and start hunting. we will do our best to find the other hunter. and let him know. i was raised to respect adults and others.. but if u look at me or find out how old i am. and start saying that u are to young to know rite from wrong or have no morals. or do u even have a ride to hunt. then you urself must not have any.  again im not trying to start anything here. like  i said i was asking for advice and got sum... if U dont agree with what im asking or doing. then mind ur own buisness..talking about my age. or morals makes u look like u dont want younger people in this sport.. and might be worried u might lose sum land to a younger person or another hunter.. plain and simple if u make the land owner happy.. then u wont have any problems losing a spot u got permission to hunt.. the other hunter must not be doing sumthing rite . in order for the land owner to give me permission to hunt that land now..                              DID YALL EVER THINK ABOUT THAT

I would have to agree with both arguing parties here... It is a good, old, unspoken rule to not step on another mans' toes, and that is hunting any kind of animal not just hogs. As an ethical hunter you will find out that doing what is "right" might not always show imediate results, but in the end, everything seems to work out for the better. Since the landowner gave you permission,and needs the hogs gone, that is your ticket in and get the job done. BUT! The main problem with that is trespassing or poaching... if the other hunters see you out there, "they" are right, there could be problems. It is better to just avoid that problem by trying to get in touch with the other hunters. Who knows, you may be able to link up with the other hog hunters and double up on the land...? Could be a little easier to spread 'em out and run 'em down! You never know man... My best advice would be that you should always try to be respectful, even if the other party is not. Karam comes back to us all, and esspecially in the hunting world. Either way it goes, you have permission, there is a hog problem, and it needs to be taken care of. I would just expect to have someone ask you what you are doing if you don't get a hold of the other hunters. It is just respect to "all of us hog doggers" to try and not step on each others' toes... and you can see that you have a good amount of opinions on this matter. LOL! Good hunting to ya and be safe out there muddogger98!

THE CALL ISNT TO ASK FOR PERMISSION, THAT WAS ALREADY GIVEN BY THE MAN WITH THE AUTORITY TO GIVE IT. TEH CALL IS A HEADS UP SO THAT WHEN YALL RUN INTO EACH OTHER YOU BOTH KNOW WHATS UP. IF THE OTHER GUY IS WORTH HIS SALT HE'LL RESPECT YOU FOR THE CALL. NOW IF YOU CALL HIM AN HES A YAW-HOO AN THREATENS STUFF OR GETS SUPER PISSED THEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOURE DEALIN WITH AN YOU CAN DECIEDE WHETHER ITS WORTH RUNNIN INTO HIM OR NOT.

Agreed, well spoken. Good hunting to all of you guys!

I made reference to your age because your first opening section of the thread sounded like a young man wanting to know the right thing to do and I thought that was great! As you've continued to post and get your lself all wadded up I can say as a guy who works with kids, you dont sound  like a teenager. I now must assume you already have your mind made, and that you were seeking the approval of people you've never met on a world wide internet forum.  rolleyes

I dont care if you are 13 or 35. I was just trying to offer some help. If your a kid, then your one of the argumentative thick headed types that were being discussed and I think y should relax and do what you feel is right. If your a grown man, then update your stats, its a little strange to present yourself as a 13 year old

Judging by some of his past posts, I think it is a dad and son that both post under the same name??? ???

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ryan u and blake do alotta hunting down here in my area. and i have had permission to hunt some of the same spots yall hunt. but i would never do that to yall. even though im sure with me liven a cpl miles from those spot i could catch more hogs then yall. instaed of hunting it by myself i would rather give yall a call hook up and bring a cpl of dogs and give some hogs he!!. get ahold of blake and lets make a run sometime here soon.

hell i just got through going thru this post . and being an older gentleman all i can say is . unless you own the land there ain't no such rule i ever heard of that states just because someone else is huntin that land you shouldn't or you should call anybody except the landowner and tell them you are going hunting . where do you guys come up with all this . when i was a coonhuntin hell granny hall would tell just about anybody to go ahead and hunt or fish her property . alot of times we'd meet other hunters down in them bottoms and we'd just wind up huntin together . i'm gettin older by the day but i know this much there ain't no such rule spoken or unspoken ya'll get over it .

LOL! I guess it is just a new thing with the new generation then... but every hog hunter I have met goes by that rule. I think it is just to avoid confusion and confrontation. I am with both sides on this... if the landowner has a problem it needs to be taken care of, PERIOD. I just know that we have a few plots of land that we hunt, and if we came accross someone on any of them, besides Big Chris LOL, we would deff ask what/why were they doing? and if they have permission? Now if they have permission that is another story... it's not like you can tell or ask them to leave. What happens if the other hunters hunting are rifle hunters and you have your dogs, or say add that senerio to the others about guys having permission but not notifying the landowner. Then one of them shoots one of your dogs. What then? I just think nowadays with how fast this is growing, and how many people are hunting hogs in so many diff ways, that it is just good practice to be as well informed as you possibly can. You know? It all really comes down to common courtesy I think.

I'll tell why I follow that rule, outside of a few guys who know i enjoy hunting with them, and a few guys i know thru here, i dont like or trust most other hog doggers. Im sure plenty are good folks, but I've met several who are simply looking for something to make smoking dope more exciting. I've met some who if impressed by a dog, will simply steal it. I've met a few who are just unsavory.

all the explaining i feel like giving.

In my opinion there would be two rerasons a person wouldnt follow that standard. They are desperate for hunting places and lack hunting morals.

The type of person that will come in and hunt behind someone else or back door another hunter are typically not the kind of people a respectable person would want to associate themselves around.

A lot of this can be avoided by visiting with the landowner.

hell that ain't the point of it . now if you pull up to hunt and you see someone else allready there you go to your other spot . you don't dump dogs out on top of someone that wouldn't be right for nobody . but unless you and the landowner have reached an agrement that you have exclusive hoggin rites to the property or  you lease the hog rites this is just the way it is . most these land owners want results and if you are not giving it to them trust me they will look elsewhere for them . thats how i picked up all the farmland i hunted from the trappers they wasn't gittin it done . just remember your honeyhole you are so fond of is some farmer or ranchers nightmare . and i am one of the most ehtical hunters around been at this damage control since it was no more than the coons in the cornfields . nothin makes me madder than goin down the road and lookin over and seeing 100 hogs out in somebodys hay field and one little hog trap stuck off in the corner , you can bet i'm gonna stop and talk to somebody . and be ashured i'll give them my card and tell them i can and will help them out with the problem if whoever can't get it done . cause i hate hogs love a good dog but hate hogs . in my opinion we all as hog doggers should be of the same mind to get the hogs under control and restore the o so fragile balance in the wildlife envirment of texas .

When a farmers income is lost because of hogs and he hears people arguing over backdooring he is gonna be mad at everyone. I only would call as a courtesy to the hunter that thinks he owns the land. I got permission to hunt a farm but found out someone was hunting it so I backed off and he lost over half of his crops in less than a week. We both lost the spot because of this rule. So all this back dooring thing sounds really stupid to me when someone's farm and home are on the line. If it is some nice ranch then it is more about fun but a farmer only wants to save his crops. I know someone that has lots of farm land to hunt and I can tag along anytime I want. Because he is hunting almost every day. He is not worried about someone backdooring him because he is constantly hunting it and keeping keeping the hogs under control. He also has no problem with people hunting with him. Because he understands it is about controlling the pig problem. Plus nobody can hunt it as much as he does. If you can't hunt three or more times a week then maybe someone else should be hunting it also. If not they will stop letting anyone hunt because it is not worth the hassle and they lose their crops anyway.

I have a couple surgeries ahead of me so I am not looking for any new spots. But even when I can hunt when I want again I will probably just go go help some more so I don't have to worry about making someone mad.

well said dub hell you can come up and hunt with me anytime .and good luck with the doctoring thing i'm just getting back to it this year after taking a year off to heal up my back . and bred up some new surestars for the upcoming year . me and my old dogs was gettin kinda long in the tooth . now all i gotta do is find me a young athletic type young man to do the leggin .

I ain't young just not old yet. I have to get my wrist worked on again and then a knee. With my wrist I can only flip a hog one way ;D But I can leg smaller ones with one hand and can pull catch dogs off with one hand too. Maybe after the knee surgery I can move faster.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

It's a bit disturbing how some "adults" come on ETHD and present themselves as a 13 year old kid....

when i talk about back dooring halfbreed, im talking about if i took u to a spot to hunt go back a cpl days later and find u hunting it. i was nice enough to take u hunting, but u were sorry enough to go back with out telling me u wanted to or asking if i cared that u went with out me.

this was just a example and breed has never done this to me or anybody that i know of!!!!

this is just one of those things that PI$$ me off to the max.

hell i know that chris but this thread didn't start out about backdooring . it's about several people getting permission to hunt the same piece of property because the landowner just wants hogs gone . and alot of people think that that is backdooring when in fact it is not . it's not first come first served it's the landowners perogative .

Exactly what I was thinking