EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have a male APBT, Baus, that is being started right now. He seems to have it down out of the gate, but he needs some seasoning still. I was wondering how to keep his temperament, gaminess, and size and still add in the stamina and wind... I was thinking about how to start out a running catch dog line with him being the base cause I sure do like those running CDs. Any ideas would be great. Thanks.

You can find what your looking for in an APBT...you just have to do your research...

Ryan first off not trying to be rude at all cause I tend to be short and try to get to the point.You seem like a nice guy.
 Breeding dogs is not mixing paint. You dont get to pick good features from this one and ad to that one and so on like picking out options for a custom car. So in breeding you have to start with everything you want and try to match those things identical. You have to look to grandparents and great grandparents in dogs. Anytime you pick a Dogo and cross to a pit you may get two dogo like dogs, two pit like dogs two that act like pits and look patrtial like the other and then you might get all with the ,worst parts of all the genetcs in 3 generations period. like dog aggressive short legged whining ankle biters.

So if love the dog you have, and you want to re create that dog, then you find a dog is very very similiar and look at her background and genectics too. If you are looking for a dog that you vcan start piecing his good stuff over and wanting to pick out her good parts and add them all up and make the mix, you and future pups owners will have to wait until they are grown and matured to see what dogs came out Frankenstein parts of which dogs that you were hoping for. You might get lucky, but I have seen alot of people three years later have to start all over. I have had my share of those, I "wonder what that would be like? I sure like this and that but after feeding alot of dogs for many years, I will try to save you some time, Go look for exactly what you want now, I wish I would have many times over

I thought about that, but then I also thought how cool would it be if you could breed in some strike dog genes... take it to a whole nother level. Don't know if someone has tried this, but i'd like to know.

Good advice. Thank you. That wasn't rude at all. That is the kind of advice that I am looking for, and from exactly the right people. Blake has told me almost same thing, but I guess I just wanted to hear what other people have to say. I don't know a ton about dogs, and i have had quite a few. That is why I let Blake do the dog thing and I just back him up. He bred Baus... still owns his mother. He is a good dog, and just want more like him but with more wind. Thanks again. 

I agree with scott BUT these dogs are not open for the average joe.  Ridgeback is my answer.

I do agree with Scott on that.
I have a female catchdog, although not APBT, She is bred for Catch and brains but has drive like crazy we have channeled that drive and her nose is becoming pretty incredible. I am using her for blood trailing last track we worked was 6 hours at 458 yards.
This dog is bred for speed, stamina and power, what do you think a dog that can take a 6 hour old deer track could do on a stinky hog?

she is not a ABPT but YES I believe you can go find one that has this ability that has the papers if you want too, but you have to push alot of egos out of the way and get down to to the dogs themselves.

i have a lil pit gyp thats a hell of a strike dog and can saty with the curs all night long its all in the dog

I've got a couple of Lacys that have endless stamina no matter the conditions.

Ditto

Lots of people have tried and you can too, I've heard it said you need to get a thick notebook and a good shovel.

You need to breed a pit/greyhound 3 gens you might have something

hook him up with a good white unicorn that should get the job done ;)

for real my vote would be a gsp.....

Thanks guys! I appreciate it! I like the greyhound idea... maybe a little ridgeback too... If I wasn't worried about the pups having homes I'd start playing with it. I think that I will just stick to certain stock for right now. Good hunting to ya'll!

Import some bull arabs or breed to a great dane  ;D

How hard do you want to cull, you can use more pits, some unicorns, boxer, plott, pointers,  stag hounds, and are you wanting to get something you can build on and start something out with or do you want something that can be good now but may not pass the characteristics in the genetic pool

You can absolutely get everything you want without crossing anything into the APBT. You just have to find some good lines and breed the dogs that have what your looking for and continue to improve on that until you get it right. It will not happen overnight and will be a work in progress for a long time. Just make sure that you are honest with yourself when you cull. There are APBTs out there that have all of the stamina that you could ever want in any dog.

They more game bred pits are made to have stamina they do consider quiet a bit of exercise there are quiet a few different keeps that you can find online that involves conditioning they naturally like to work. Run them work them om spring poles weight pulls ect you will be surprised how much endurance a condition pit has.

I agree with Scott and Uglydog.

You find what you need in the apbt just do your homework.

And like Uglydog said...you will get all types in crossbreeding...and some of those will not look like either parent much less have the traits that you are looking for.

But if you want to do it then make sure you select the right pups otherwise you are just wasting your time or at the minimum will be a major setback. You want to have access to all the keepers with a verbal agreement that if the pup turns out right that you can use it a time or two for breeding.

If you want grit then both lines must have a ton of grit. The bull dog lacks nose and most have not been used as strike dogs so the strike dog has to have range, nose, and the ability to find a hog. Not saying that some bulldogs don't have a nose are hunt in them but the average bulldog is not bred for that.


if you just want rough running catch dogs these crossbreeds will work if they have a good strike dog to lead them around...all you have to do is pick the rough pups that want to follow a good lead dog. They just won't find many hogs if you leave the strike dog at home... ;D

Thanks for all the advice guys. Looks like I got a lot of thinking to do.

You don't have to breed another breed into an APBT to get stamina, you will find what your looking for in a APBT.

cross with gwp, back over pit,

Go find you some heavy Heinzel bred dogs. The Heinzel stuff had good stamina and wind with just the right amount of leg on them. There are other lines as well, I just thought I would give you a starting point. >:D

i have to agree with uglydog on the genetics 110 percent. you dont just jump in and get your best dog.you have to be loyal to really wanting to having the best and stick with it for several years. once i got down to one dog after about six or seven years of hunting and had to move off to work and left the dog at home. didnt have any pups out of him to fall back on. he was very young and i put him in a pen once and in the woods once. he was a later brother out of a dog that there pups have won winnfeild. when i went back to get him after i found somewhere to hunt he was run over on the side of the road. and that was after a five hour drive and not hunting for two years when i turned on the road there he was in the ditch because someone was agaisnt dogs being on chains. they didnt know the first thing about hunting dogs and how much time, effort, and love it takes  to have a dog like that. one dies they go get another to replace it. but know im very happy to say that i have a group of PUPPIES that are out of that BLOODLINE and others of as good as theres(one years seven months, one year six months, seven months, and three months)both older not will but have already went longe range found, bayed and stuck several good hogs. the two older have a litter due jan 20. i am as exited about this as i have ever about anything in my life.