EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

 Who has a proven line of long--mid range dogs, that are still ruff?  I mean ruff as hog stoppers, not running catch dogs, just stop dogs that will, and can stop a hogs, with lots of bottom.  There are lots of ruff dogs, that can and will stop a hog. There are some dogs that can really travel and hunt, but most of these dogs that I have seen aren't ruff.  I dont know of but a few dogs who can do both.  Im sure there are some out there.  The ones I no of are few, and not from a line, that is known for these traits, over several generations.  Im dont expect a 96% rate, just a proven line to possess these traits.   

i know everybody likes those gritty curs or are you talking about a dog that will find bay and then catch when need be? i have a dog that will surprise me bay a 100 pound boar but seen him catch a 250 pound sow by himself i would look into a good cur line

if your looking for a line of dogs that do this generation after generation you would be best to look at the plott dogs . our curs as a rule were bred for close to mid range dogs for gens, not that there aren't some curs that will go but they don't consistantly produce offspring that will do the same . but the hound breed have been bred for these traits for hundreds of years . and the plotts are known for their grit and bottom . just my personall thoughts on the matter .

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I agree with the plotts covering what I was asking.  I should also have said a closed mouth dog.    Or is there anyone who has been crossing the plotts, for several generations, and producing these traits?   thanks

yes there are a few lines of plotts that produce closed mouth or semi silent dogs my last plott was tight mouthed but she was a grade dog not sure on her blood lines . the older cur type plotts produced alot of tight mouthed dogs . then the coon hunters got ahold of them and drove the cur type people underground with not letting them register them because of color . they want these big brindle houndy looking dogs we got today . but there are still many out there . i think the weems line is of the more old type plott and produces alot more tight mouth dogs than other . maybe hillbilly or arrowbar could tell you more about them .

  Thanks

I have a Plott that I thought wasnt going to make it because of his trashing and just being a hardheaded idiot,after a solid year of shock therapy this dog has turned out to be one of the best silent and roughest hounds I have seen.Never thought I would own another Plott but sure glad I gave this one some time,he almost drove me insane when I first got him.

There is a couple good cur dog lines Thats exactly what you want.  Silent, smart rough, cold nosed, and did I mention they're a cur dog  ;D nah hounds are good to but the good ones in both breeds are hard to come by and you probably are gonna have to raise some puppies to get what you want because finding one of them dogs for sale is like looking for a needle in a haystack

  What lines are they?  who has them?  do they HUNT?

Getting well bred dogs is like establishing credit, chew on that for a while.

     Easy big hat you dont no me or my dogs.          You need to do your homework, before you judge!

I dont think T-Bob meant it in a wrong way.  Just saying it takes awhile to get what you want and it takes time to build a pack, or that's how I took it.  Do you have the kinda dogs you're talking about? From the post it sounds like you need em, just curious, kinda got confused.

   Yes thats what im shooting for.  And could be on the way to having them,  just curious if anyone already had them.   Im not looking for an accident, or a fluke.   I believe in proven lines!  Yes if its out there I want to see them.   I love to watch a good dog work, As the hogs have started running like grayhounds.  I have been trying to change my dogs up, and get more stop in them.  I feel like they already have the hunt.    Back when I started, it was pretty easy to take one dog, and catch, lots of hogs.  Times change,  so the dogs must change also,  If I want to continue to catch hoggs, not just chase them all over Gods creation!   Having good dogs is not an accident,  and maby if I step outside of my lil circle, I can find them,  already in action.

I did not mean it in a rude way but you just did exactly what i was saying people who are seeking an in road to the right dogs shouldnt do. you got butt hurt and assy.

bad luck in your search, you just burned a few bridges.

ok guys let's play nice or you're going to be in time out....now share the leggo's and drink your sippi cups... ;D ;) ..

There is a line of long range Bmc I know that are rough as can be without being an rcd but it took a longggg time to get them there

Jody I got those two sisters up in East Tx the brindle sisters just ask Thomas about them.

Outlaw curs. Randy Dominy in central Georgia. Seem them hunt. Get gone, good nose, LOTS of bottom. Some are just bay but lot of them are pretty rough. He is a straight up guy who knows dogs. If ur interested, PM for his info.

danny westbrook from the tyler area has a few of them outlaw curs. seen a few of them not a big fan. im with the fellas on the plotts, and like halfbreed said i think alot of the cur traits were bred out of the plotts. im worken with some up and comen plott/cur cross pups that i think will make the grade. i was looken for the style dog your seeking now. could`nt get my hands on them so i figured i would start from scratch. im taken the long road but i have nothen but time.

and a casual stroll down the long road is far better than jumpin in the fast lane tryin to get there in a hurry. chris is rite on the money . but he has a little more  left than left than me  ;D 

  What your talking about med to long
Silent and smart rough hog stoppers with
The stamina to go 7 to 8 hours stopping
Multiples in 110 degree weather is exactly
The line of yellow dogs me and 8 of my
Buddies keep we breed within the same
Family for decades and then some would
Imagine that between us there's 80 to 100
Members of this family line the problem
I see is none of us sell dogs so for somebody
To get one just a puppy you gotta be
Superstar special and bring alot to the
Fire and even that's probably not enough
I agree with t bob

What line are you referring to, Brian?

I understood exactly what t-bob meant, you ain't gonna get no cur dog like your talkin about. You must be an established well known somebody, just as in previous post to get one. Like establishing credit, you have to have credit to get credit.
  A good  hound on the other hand, is much easier to come by, you just have to find someone that breeds for what suits you.
     I have what your lookin for as far as a hound goes, tight line bred, fast, run to catch and rough. But don't have any for sale right now, BUT.....if I had an extra, I wouldn't mind selling one.
    Halfbreed pretty much nailed it, I don't want no blood hound, or black and tan lookin plotts.
If they're ears touch at the end of they're nose....they're too long.

hey tom just remeber me on that next breeding. mike caulley will have a litter soon also.

I highly doubt you have seen a full Outlaw cur in person or hunting.

Chris, I went to westbrooks this past weekend... which dogs is it that are outlaw curs??  He should us what he called Goodman hounds but didnt mention anything about outlaw curs....


Buddylee,   could you explain your post about seeing a full outlaw cur??? What would be different between what Chris saw and an actual outlaw cur??  And isnt a outlaw cur a crossed up dogs anyways??

I hope I didn't come off as rude. The outlaw cur I'm referring to is bred by Randy Dominy in central Georgia. There very well may be someone else calling their dogs outlaw curs too. The dogs I'm referring to get out and hunt. A 1000 acre track is too small for them. Seen them go a 1000 yards within minutes and bay a hog. Seen them get cut down and still keep a hog bayed. Extreme drive.

buddylee,

this is an old post you had about outlaw curs...  Were these culls from Randys yard, or were those guys just calling their dogs outlaw curs??

trent, danny and man from quitman breed and hunt what they call an outlaw cur from georgia. so im gonna say my chances of seeing what they call an outlaw cur hunted was pretty good!!! with that being said the dogs i seen came from danny`s yard and that`s what the fella said they were and where they came from.

Do you remember what they looked like?  Im just curious if I saw them while i was there but didnt know what they were...
Im pretty sure i saw almost all of the dogs he had on his yard...

They hunt to far for me. I had one. Sold to a friend. I prefer closer hunting dogs.

Not that it really matters but for sake of conversation, Randy said he last sold Outlaw curs to anyone in Texas back in the 90's. They may be some dogs with Outlaw cur in them but I highly doubt there are any pure Outlaws there.

We've had good luck with our line. 3 generations so far n still going. They r all crossed up. Running Walker/curr/AB/Plott.  We generally keep whole litter with exception of few friends who get one. I'll post pics as soon as I take some.

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   I have had two from that line. I must be special.

I would say larry parker has them. When you trun one lose you better have your hunting britches on.

montain currs are ruff fast an the one i got will catch anything  ! like my mcurr an 1 jagd thats straight catch when they run together .

Dennison catahoulas sounds like what you want.