Title: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 07:41:57 pm Hi everyone, new to the site. I live in ohio, only been hoggin for a couple years. I only have these russian type hogs here and was just wonderin how yur dogs stop em. There all runners , big or small I've had just enough luck to keep me hooked but not enough to feel like I know what I'm doin ! Very frustrating. Have tried lots of dogs currently usin bird bull crosses. Any help will be appreciated ! Thanks
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Critter Catcher on December 05, 2011, 07:47:54 pm Gritty or real close baying and at least 5 dogs ;) or just plain catchin hell hounds.. >:D
Seriously..we have our share of runner too, my dogs are on the gritty/rough side but not catchy..this doesn't mean they won't run but you might slow them down long enough to get a catchdog on them Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 07:57:24 pm Critter, yur probly right. My best dog is loose bayin not what you'd call catchy he can't keep one bayed long enough for me to get help to him. Seems like every hog we find is 300 lbs. Or more. Smallest I've ever caught was bout 130. Why can't I find any little pigs for em ?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jdt on December 05, 2011, 08:47:00 pm i hunt in sw ky and these hogs look like pure russians , they aint been dogged much but so far bay pretty well . i use cow bred bmc's .
where abouts are you in ohio smarlowe ? Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 10:02:39 pm Southeast ohio. These hogs are real large in front, small in back , tall, long straight tail. Lot of em over 400lbs. They all run like a deer and I'm only 1 of 3 in the whole state that dogs !I am totally addicted to this damn sport !!!
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on December 05, 2011, 10:09:00 pm Theres more than 3 of you, been up there myself, you know Frank queen, or jassen swisher? Theres another feller a little North of there but cant think of his name right off.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 10:29:34 pm Ya tn. Frank doesn't do it anymore. Its me swisher and nik palmer. There's probly a few more I don't know but what I'm gettin at is these hogs don't get a lot of dog pressure. They just naturally run most of the time it seems. I'm sure some dog power will help. Up here were all still new to the sport, a lot to learn yet !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: hillcountry on December 05, 2011, 10:41:52 pm That sounds like the boars in the bandera.They stocked some pures in the 3o's and you know when your on one,they runlike deer swim like fish,and fight like mexican fightingbulls.when onekicks my gritty packs butt 2 or 3 times i call Lion and boar hunter up. He brings his loose baying wolfpack they run him into the dirt he shoots him in the beak we take a pic or two and walk off 90%of the time with out a scratch. HECK A STAPLE GUN WILL RUST BEFORE HE WILL USE IT UP ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 11:04:40 pm Hillcountry, u got it man. I hunt around a lot of floods and these hogs love that water ! They will make a b line for the floodzones swim a damn mile thru the stuff then run 5 miles (all up) then sit bak and laugh at us. Makes me tired just thinkin bout it. Make it to the top where it bayed, he breaks and starts all over again. But I guess were havin fun cause we keep goin back !! Lol
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on December 05, 2011, 11:15:42 pm Ya tn. Frank doesn't do it anymore. Its me swisher and nik palmer. There's probly a few more I don't know but what I'm gettin at is these hogs don't get a lot of dog pressure. They just naturally run most of the time it seems. I'm sure some dog power will help. Up here were all still new to the sport, a lot to learn yet ! I sold Frank those dogs he had, and sold the when he quit, hang in there, ya'll will eventually find the right combination.Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 11:17:34 pm I think I'm havin fun ? Ya , ya my partner said we were !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: charles on December 05, 2011, 11:21:46 pm smarlowe can you get me a couple sows from up there?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: hillcountry on December 05, 2011, 11:22:46 pm We have to realy air those russianhogs out.Lionandboarhunter has a line of crosses out of his cat dogs that are long legged,silent and the number one ingrediant lots of bottom a three hour race is just a warm up for some of these boars.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 11:24:23 pm What part ot tn ya in hillbilly ? I have some kids real close to corbin ky. Gettin ready for an elk hunt in ky next week
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 11:38:04 pm Charles, that would be illegal, call me tomoro !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 05, 2011, 11:44:30 pm Hillcountry, last year we bayed 3 big ones all together at about 8 am. They broke and the little gyp we had singled one out. She ran that hog 12 miles on the garmin. We ended up pullin her off in the dark that night. We didn't have lights, was supposed to be a morning hunt !collar was dying. We were in a bad spot the hog acted like he wasn't even winded.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on December 05, 2011, 11:48:06 pm What part ot tn ya in hillbilly ? I have some kids real close to corbin ky. Gettin ready for an elk hunt in ky next week North east, I think bout 2 1/2 hrs from Corbin. Next to kingsport Tn.Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: hillcountry on December 05, 2011, 11:57:48 pm when they break on me its usally sam getting tired off baying and trying to catch out. do you think you might have one doing that. how close are you getting before they break?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 08:40:32 am I hadn't considered that. I'm usually couple hundred yads away at least. If that's the case what wupld you do. Do you mean that the dogs trying to catch and that makes it break ?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 08:53:24 am Hillbilly, if ya ever come across those dogs or some like them I'd be interested. Hard to get dogs up here and because there's so few hogs its hard to make dogs too !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: buddylee on December 06, 2011, 10:15:57 am If one dog tries to catch, then they all need to catch cause most hogs are gonna run once teeth are put on them.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 06, 2011, 11:58:50 am im in northeast ohio, been waitin on swish to let me come down but he wants to wait till after deer season, i just run coon right now
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: hillcountry on December 06, 2011, 12:43:52 pm JP tryed to tell me thats why they were busting on me and i did not believe him till i got a garmin. they would have the sweetest bay going on watch the garmin the dog thats alittle catchy gets there and bam off to the races. They dont bay so easy the secound time :'(
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 12:49:15 pm Thanks jp. Hey schitem. Did I just talk to you in text, u 30 miles from cleveland?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 01:03:07 pm Hill country, last bay I had I knew a hog was there I'd already seen it while deer hunting went home got my best silent dog brought him back. He goes in to property finds hog quik, starts bayin for bout 30 second to a min. Shuts up moves 150 yds sets up again, same thing. Moves 200 yds sets up again. I'm followin with catchdog , can't get there in time. Moves into thick swamp knee deep water. Dog comes out hour later ?? I get this a lot regardless of the dogs I have there they all will try to catch by thereselves or together. Are we being to catchy ? Need to scale back ?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: hillcountry on December 06, 2011, 03:42:04 pm Evrey body has an opinion on that, im leaning on lose baying. the thing to do if you can is try 3 loose dogs then 3 rough dogs and see who produces results it might suprise you.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 06, 2011, 04:28:45 pm nope that wasnt me, id be glad to get you my number, ive been doggin a while so i could help out if you want
i would run a rcd if it was me Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 05:12:19 pm Schitem, I agree. I used to hav a little florida cur that barked twice then caught. He's gone so I been lookin for a good one. Either my dogs can't get it done or these hogs r just a bitch ! The miles I've put in r unbeleivable. I get one occassionaly but most wuld hav quit by now !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 06, 2011, 06:01:56 pm got a plott ;) ;D
thats what ive heard about ohio hogs is they run a good bit, i had a pit/dogo that helped me get my runners Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 06:27:33 pm U say u got a plott. Is it silent ? Give me some info if yur tellin me its for sale. I'm always shoppin. Last year at this time I started in south florida and worked my way back to ohio tryin out dogs. I'm self empoyed so I can usually hunt anytime. Get bak to me
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on December 06, 2011, 06:35:06 pm U say ya live northeast ? Where ya huntin at ?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 06, 2011, 07:18:11 pm haha i wish i still had a plott, i sold my dogs when i moved. all i got is a oversized minature "black and tan"
i hunted alot on our place in spartanburg, and i hunted in GA, FL, and NC. ive been out for 2 years due to a move to cleveland but im still in it when i go back south. im acutally goin back to charleston to see my mom and dad this weekend so i think im droppin by with a buddy to run hounds for a bit i know a lady that has some good lined plotts for sale, i could get her number and you can call her up, they are redwood/buckeye lines Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on December 06, 2011, 09:23:42 pm Those are coon bred plotts, not sayin they wont work, but culled everyone I tried.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 07, 2011, 06:10:04 am prolly why i like em tom ;) ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on December 07, 2011, 12:11:09 pm scott lets see the dogs!!! ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 06:43:17 am Theres a little rumor going around Ohio that I only have the dogs nick palmer gave me, Heres my pack and none of them came from him.
PR "Swishers Pocahontas Engine Joe" (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/IMG00369-20110916-1121.jpg) "Swishers Weems Huck Finn" (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/huckfinn.jpg) This is "Bacon. She is Half blus tick/ half boxer and I also have her twin sister "Princess" (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/princessforphotobucket.jpg) PR "Swishers Weems Bessie Hood" (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/IMG00364-20110820-1927.jpg) This is my catch dog "Samson" This is Bacon and princess's sire (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/samson.jpg) Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 06:55:20 am All my dogs hunt silent. Bessie is my only finished dog. Bacon and princess are close. Joe and Huck are started and have been in the woods three times. I joined the National Plott Hound Association this year and got the help I needed. My pack is not complete yet but I am getting there. The only dog we havent started ourselves was Bessie and she was finished by a Mr James Jenkins From Hancock County, North Carolina.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 06:59:38 am Forgot this cur pup "Maddie". She is Half Mnt cur 1/4 Plott and 1/4 pit bull. She was born in may and barked at a hog the first time she saw one without any other dogs.
(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/maddie.jpg) Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 07:01:44 am Thats a total of 7 dogs that have been started or are finished. :-X
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 07:41:04 am Ya tn. Frank doesn't do it anymore. Its me swisher and nik palmer. There's probly a few more I don't know but what I'm gettin at is these hogs don't get a lot of dog pressure. They just naturally run most of the time it seems. I'm sure some dog power will help. Up here were all still new to the sport, a lot to learn yet ! These hogs get tons of dog pressure from coon hunters. The last 3 times I went hog hunting have seen other people out bowhunting or scouting for hogs. On the whole they are pressured to death. Thats why its harder here than most places down south.Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SwampHunter on January 07, 2012, 10:11:33 am Ya tn. Frank doesn't do it anymore. Its me swisher and nik palmer. There's probly a few more I don't know but what I'm gettin at is these hogs don't get a lot of dog pressure. They just naturally run most of the time it seems. I'm sure some dog power will help. Up here were all still new to the sport, a lot to learn yet ! These hogs get tons of dog pressure from coon hunters. The last 3 times I went hog hunting have seen other people out bowhunting or scouting for hogs. On the whole they are pressured to death. Thats why its harder here than most places down south.Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 07, 2012, 11:10:31 am Ya tn. Frank doesn't do it anymore. Its me swisher and nik palmer. There's probly a few more I don't know but what I'm gettin at is these hogs don't get a lot of dog pressure. They just naturally run most of the time it seems. I'm sure some dog power will help. Up here were all still new to the sport, a lot to learn yet ! These hogs get tons of dog pressure from coon hunters. The last 3 times I went hog hunting have seen other people out bowhunting or scouting for hogs. On the whole they are pressured to death. Thats why its harder here than most places down south.Coon hunting is a huge sport here in southern ohio. I know coon hunters that have seen pigs and killed them. Our hogs have heard dogs tree a coon. I dont think they are interested in that. A hog wont go investigate a treed coon, they will stay away. A bowhunter in the woods equals pressure on wildlife. Too much pressure equals hogs gone. Ive been hunting these woods for years and baiting hogs. Ohio woods grow big bucks, turkeys, and hogs without a feeder. The hogs have plenty of acorns, hedge apples, greens, frogs, dead deer, and anything else they want to eat. A lot of these hogs are in state owned woods with a lot of people coon hunting, turkey hunting, rabbit hunting, squirrel hunting, deer hunting, and hog hunting. Plus we have maybee a tenth of a percentage point of the hogs they have in texas. Ultimately what I am saying is its tough here in Ohio to hunt hogs. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 07, 2012, 07:58:15 pm shoot there are some hunters up here that are afraid to catch one, some even say that there are no hogs here period
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Cutthroat on January 08, 2012, 12:44:22 am Sounds like we got the same problem I live in se mo and
Didnt start catching any hogs until I Tried a wb bmc. I caught a few with him that were Russian looking And big and miles from where we started As my dog got older and more confident he started gettin catchy And that was the end of him . Now I'm back to square one so if u find something that works for u Let me know what it is Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 08, 2012, 06:25:49 am Sounds like we got the same problem I live in se mo and What me and my buddy have come up with is this;Didnt start catching any hogs until I Tried a wb bmc. I caught a few with him that were Russian looking And big and miles from where we started As my dog got older and more confident he started gettin catchy And that was the end of him . Now I'm back to square one so if u find something that works for u Let me know what it is I know this goes against the grain.... We are going to hunt hogs in Ohio like you bear hunt with plotts. These hogs break bay. I will have 4 or 5 plotts that hunt down that hog and stop it and if they kill it.... so what. If they bay it good. This southern Ohio hill country is rough. A great hog man Tom Franklin came here and our dogs bayed out about 275 yards and after an hour we only gained a 100 yards climbing hills and and crawling on our hands and knees thru briars and bush trying to keep a catch dog on a leash and someone started shooting and the dogs broke bay. The plott family in the early 1900"s caught 47 pure russian boar in 1912 that has got loose from a game ranch in North Carolina with plotts and no catch dog. I know this is not the traditional bay and send in the catch dog but that doesnt work real good here. You need a hound and a bunch of them. If this dont work we will try something else. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 08, 2012, 07:14:15 am shoot there are some hunters up here that are afraid to catch one, some even say that there are no hogs here period We have hogsHad a guy up here and he called us saying he had wild boar on his property. He shot a big sow but we caught this little sow (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/skunkforphotobucket.jpg) This is Brian Hughes from Oak Hill, Ohio. He has killed a 100 plus hogs in Ohio with no dogs (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/brianhughes1.jpg) trail cams (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/blackberrytoandroid017.jpg) (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h425/jassenswisher1974/blackberrytoandroid018.jpg) Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 08, 2012, 09:18:56 am ive seen a few off I77 goin south for trips, had to keep my hands on the wheel so i wouldnt climb out the window after em
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jhy on January 08, 2012, 07:15:13 pm Can we see some pics of the Eurasian blooded hogs that you have up there? Who released them and do you know what region they came out of in Europe to reach 400+lbs as frequently as you have stated?
Joey Young Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 08, 2012, 07:26:58 pm swish we should do some rcd breeding >:D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 08, 2012, 08:25:17 pm swish we should do some rcd breeding >:D Bacon would be a good start. We want to breed her to a plott eventually. When you come down we will show our dogs and what crosses we want to make. We got three in mind.Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on January 08, 2012, 11:00:28 pm Instead of crossing your dogs try this cross to slow em down a bit. ;)
(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117012_.jpg) (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117013_.jpg) Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: TColt on January 08, 2012, 11:28:32 pm lmao, hamps dont slow down enough, you need some pot bellies!
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on January 08, 2012, 11:48:49 pm ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on January 09, 2012, 12:21:05 am Wasn't gonna give up my secret but since we are all friends. Here are a few strains I am working on for releasing back into the wild.
My breeding method is made up from several angles (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117034_.jpg) My wise guy line. Slow and Sexy that's why they get caught. (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117035_.jpg) My treeing line. They go up instead of out on the run. (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117037_.jpg) And finally my alcoholic line. They are usually to chit faced to run. (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117038_.jpg) Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 09, 2012, 05:24:49 am Can we see some pics of the Eurasian blooded hogs that you have up there? Who released them and do you know what region they came out of in Europe to reach 400+lbs as frequently as you have stated? All the hogs in Ohio got loose from hunting preserves. One rumor is that a hog supplier from Alabama would get an order of 40 hogs to bring, he'd load 50 in case one died. After delivery he would kick em out down the road from the ranch. We dont have pure russians. Our hogs get big but prolly because they have domestic. There have been outfitters here letting some loose to sell hunts with.Joey Young Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 09, 2012, 05:31:45 am Heres whats really funny about our hogs, Ive had several people bring dogs from texas up here and Ive put em on hogs and I'll be darned if they cant stop one but I catch em with my half blue tick half boxer crosses, now thats funny. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Mike on January 09, 2012, 07:02:59 am Heres whats really funny about our hogs, Ive had several people bring dogs from texas up here and Ive put em on hogs and I'll be darned if they cant stop one but I catch em with my half blue tick half boxer crosses, now thats funny. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I guess you haven't hunted with any good dogs... good dogs get it done no matter where you drop them. ;) Running hogs are running hogs, no matter what state they're in... y'alls hogs are no different than any others. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 09, 2012, 07:22:57 am hes got a point, hogs run no matter what state rolleyes
there are some mean hills in texas so maybe texas hill dogs are what we need O0 Title: Re: Re: ohio russians Post by: boone823 on January 09, 2012, 07:24:06 am Personally on hogs like that. I like a loose baying dog for runners. One that doesn't put alot of pressure on a hog till you get there with the catch dogs. JMO. But everyone has there preferences.
Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 09, 2012, 07:55:26 am I have dogs that catch hogs, I didnt start this thread. The guy who started it is having problems catching hogs because the 2 dogs he and his buddy paid 3000$ cant get it done and they want help. I was in thier shoes a few months ago. Hogs are the same everywhere but the land isnt. We have very few hogs and only had them 15 years not 200 like you guys where you have a great community of hunters and dogs. This thing is coming up out of the ground here. Our hogs are deep and the wood are so thick and hilly you cant take atvs or horses. Walk out a 1000 yards and the dog strike an go out another 1000 yards then it takes 2 hours to close the distance crawling on your hands and knees up steep hills and thru briars. Same hogs but this aint texas.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 09, 2012, 08:11:24 am you aint kiddin, i go on a walk through trails and its like the trail ends and i gotta make my own lol :laugh:
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Mike on January 09, 2012, 08:12:40 am Ha ha.. I guess y'all have never been to Texas.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 09, 2012, 08:18:28 am just galveston and beaumont for deer hunts and hogs on cousins land, i would love to hit the hills and north texas ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: rdjustham on January 09, 2012, 09:17:01 am Shoot we are spoiled down here in South Fl. Gotta plenty of hogs, plenty of nice ranchers that let you hunt their land rolleyes and nice wooden bridges and trails all through the cypress swamps, palmetto thickets and pepper bushes. :D ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 09, 2012, 09:34:41 am but you got snakes and gators..... :-\
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: rdjustham on January 09, 2012, 09:45:09 am but you got snakes and gators..... :-\ and that aint all that will bite your ass..lol Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: rdjustham on January 09, 2012, 09:46:15 am my point was, different places offer different terrain "issues".
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jhy on January 09, 2012, 12:50:33 pm Eurasian blooded hogs are more hard wired for survival so their instinct of "Fight or Flight" leans more to "Flight" first. The hogs around my house started out as pure Eurasian blood, and it took 8 years or so for me to get dogs that had the bottom to wear them out on a consistent basis. I have tried everything in the dog world to find the ultimate dog for these hogs and the bottom line is that you have to devise a gameplan and stick to it. For example I will start them with curs and if they can not get them stopped after 4 or 5 hours, I will cut them off and put hounds on them to wear them out for a while, then turn curs back to them. I also have RCDs that I will send from as far out as 500 yds as long as I can get to them quickly (which does not sound like that would work for you all due to the terrain you hunt. I also like turning a jagd into the bay to help shut them down in thickets. The most successful combo is 1 cur dog and 2 bulldogs, that way you do not pressure them into "Flight" as easy.
Joey Young Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 09, 2012, 01:41:03 pm good points, ive thought of jagds or maybe a lacy or a smaller dog to not make it so intimidating to the hog to keep it in the same spot. plotts in my eyes are rougher dogs anyway and the terrain doesnt make it better. it may not be texas but its a challenge anywhere from florida to the rockies. hogs are hunted differently. 8)
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on January 09, 2012, 07:49:12 pm Well ive hunted them all and ain't none of it as rough these mtns. Not sayin it ain't rough in other places but it just don't compare. Like Mike said, a good dog is a good dog any where you drop it. Whether its hound, cur, Rcd or whatever. I run plotts and have for 20 yrs. Ain't seen but one that was straight catch and hold. If you got 5 dogs of any breed caught or tryin to catch 3/4 mi Out you ain't gonna have them long.
With few hogs in rough terrain, its been my experience the longer ranged colder nosed dogs that wont quit, that will put enough pressure on him to make him stop, but back up and bay when he does, not keep over pressuring it causing it to keep breaking bay. If its rough and gonna take an he to get to them, you need dogs that can hold the hog til you get there, either with a gun or catch dog. If I was gonna go the catch route I would use hotter nosed shorter range dogs. Ive hunted with both, and both showed me hogs, both styles work, you just have to decide which suits you better, and go thru dogs til you find a couple that will CONSISTENTLY produce hogs. This usually takes A LOT of time, and effort. As far as the plotts being all that rough, some are but most ain't real catchy, the curs that ive seen seem to be more catchy. just my .02 Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on January 09, 2012, 07:52:45 pm If its gonna take an hr to get to them, you need dogs that will hold them at bay, til you get there with a gun or catch dog.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 10, 2012, 05:57:18 am I believe I have the dogs, My plott Bessie is down due to a litter she had 2 weeks ago. My dogs princess and bacon are coming on real good. They caught a sow a month ago and when we got there princess had it behind the ear and bacon had it by the butthole and they had it caught till we got there. My 2 plott pups are only six months old so it will be a while till we know for sure. Whats difficult too is where these pigs are so deep. Bacon and princess will hunt out run a track till they find a hog. We have lost them on the garmin a bunch. The problem with curs is when my deep dogs strike (all are silent) after 400 -600 yards a cur will come back. I got real tired of that and let me say this I know there are incredible curs out there and if I had the hogs and they werent so deep I would use them but we tried curs and we werent getting it done. I am getting it done now. Still have a long way to go but on the right track. We have been catching some 40-50 pounders but want to see what they do on a big one.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 10, 2012, 07:37:52 am tom didnt your dogs get on a hog with swish but got pulled off? i rem somethin like that ???
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: RyanTBH on January 10, 2012, 08:31:46 am Ha ha.. I guess y'all have never been to Texas. Tell em Mike! LOL! We get on a lot runners down here. We just have some really gritty dogs, and they have lots of bottom. They stay with the hog until we can make our way to em... of course you let em run for a little bit to get em winded. BUT we get on hands and knees and have to make our own trails, and with no ATV and still catch em. JMOTitle: Re: ohio russians Post by: Reuben on January 10, 2012, 09:08:05 am I bred hog dogs for almost 20 years and this is the subject that constantly was nagging my brain...I had dogs that could find one pretty quick, stick for as long as needed...oh but sometimes in the heat of the summer the dogs would get outrun due to several factors...I never was one to hog hunt 3 or 4 days a week so the dogs would not be in top shape. So the heat and not being in top shape combining with the big killer, the thick summertime jungle vegetation...the thick vegetation in the summer gave the big advantage to the hogs...the hogs bust right through it like a hot butter knife cutting thru butter and the dogs just fall further behind...the hogs know to head for this stuff the minute the dogs strike the hog track...
so we lose dogs to heat exhaustion, alligators, maybe get one shot or stolen...cause these are long range dogs...not to mention that we might be trespassing...and possibly crippled or killed. over the years i hunted 5 gritty curs and in the summer sometimes came home without a hog in the back of the truck...but wintertime was a different story...from the time they started a track the hog was bayed within a mile or 1.5 miles. They dogs would catch and release as they got tired and anytime the hog tried to run they would catch again. Used to be when I showed up they caught and I stuck the hog...but in this minute of action a dog could be crippled or killed because the dogs thru caution to the wind...I then started carrying a pistol and trained the dogs to back up when I showed up. these same dogs, if hunted alone about half the dogs in the pack would back up and bay and the other half would pressure the hog to run... but I liked hunting my pack...to me it was more about hunting and observing my dogs and catching pigs was icing on the cake...I had to look at it that way or I would have quit hog hunting... ;D right now I am starting a new pack and half the pack will eventually have at least a quarter pit...I am leaning toward shutting them down with a tad more grit than what I had before. sorry about the ramblings but in my mind this is the biggest challenge... when talking hog dogs... Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 10, 2012, 10:01:34 am reuben i see it that way, my first dog was a cat/walker and had to much range and would always get a pig out of our hunting area and i would have to call and get permission to get my dog. i cut down my other dogs and hunted around for rcds that would work and hunt for me, last dogs i had was a bmc/cat, a hound/boxer/cat, a pit, and a dogo pit, alond with my bulldog cd. that pack worked for me cause they ran together usually within 5 yards of each other. i learned that the hogs would run so why not just make a pack that brings a hog down with sheer size. yes one or two dogs cant stop a boar if he wants to get away but 4 to 5 dogs that are pure bite and hold would be more difficult. these short range dogs, bout 500yds to less is effective to me.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 10, 2012, 12:54:48 pm The biggest problem in Ohio is that we have no community of dog hunters. There are quite a few doing this but we are all starting from scratch. The guys here dont work together. One of the biggest helps to me has been the national plott hound assoc. You have a group of people rallying for good dogs and offer help. Right across the river is west virginia and they hunt bear from april till december and most of them have plotts that will run hogs as well. Its hard to get advice off here because most on here have finished dogs and we dont have any finished dogs to train ours with and guys with healthy hog populations have a different perspective of hog hunting than we do but on the other hand this site is awesome. But my west virginia buddys hunting style is hunt and let the dog maul and if the dog dies its a cull. Thats not the way they roll down south.
Its all good and in the end we have a good conversation with all the experience brought to the table and I keep my ears open and prolly need to keep my mouth shut more. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 10, 2012, 01:06:22 pm swish i got some guys over near me that coon hunt and hate catchin hogs, maybe a convert would work >:D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Reuben on January 10, 2012, 01:20:12 pm experience is good to have but when you have the right bred hunting dog...all you have to do is show them what you want and they will do the rest...
anything else is right here on ETHD... there are some high powered mtn cur strains in Ohio I bet would make some good to excellent hog dogs. just make sure they have the size for the game. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 10, 2012, 01:29:46 pm Hey swish, not sure where your gettin your info. Nik and I didn't pay that much for those dogs, also your right about the fact that were having trouble stopping hogs, that's why I started this thread, but it doesn't mean we never catch em ! And since you think you are getting it done how bout you postpics of all the hogs with your dogs that you've taken, I believe its just the little sow you showed us awhile back. Ill have schitem post mine for me. And as far as the people here not working together? Well, you should probably pay Nik for the dog you bought from him last year ! Some of us on here are trying to learn from these guys. If you think gettin that little sow means your gettin it done now then I'm happy for ya, but really man pay for the dog. Niks been real patient with ya !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 10, 2012, 04:21:38 pm what dog are you talking about?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 10, 2012, 04:28:37 pm Oh I remember, The red bone he said was a papered pocahontas plott. I already told him I gave it away cause after four times in a baypen its was frightened of a hog and he said said dont worry about it. He has my number.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 10, 2012, 04:30:16 pm Not sure but I think he said you came out and got a pocahontas plott pup, were supposed to come back and pay for it , never did and then wouldn't return any of his calls or texts. You may not realize it but you come off sounding real cocky on here. I also remember somethhin about you tryin to sell him a dog and then we found out it wasn't even yours ! That's building a good dog community huh ? Like you said in your other post maybe you should shut your mouth more often !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 10, 2012, 04:40:47 pm I have never ever tried to sell him a dog. thats a lie. pure lie. if that redbone was a pocahontas show me the papers. I answered his text on that dog and told him I gave it away he said dont worry about it. so there you go
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Mike on January 10, 2012, 06:06:02 pm Hit the brakes fellas... y'all take your personal crap up in private. ;)
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 10, 2012, 06:14:05 pm Yur right mike, I agree in private ! Just settin the record straight !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on January 10, 2012, 11:38:34 pm Weeeelllll.. back to Russians
Stopped Russian (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/1051099348_photobucket_117263_.jpg) Permanently stopped Russian (http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h450/YELLOWBLACKMASK/2012-01-10_22-50-52_106.jpg) Only way to deal with em. And alot Yummier than catch and release. ^-^ Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: tnhillbilly on January 10, 2012, 11:41:26 pm ;D
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Reuben on January 11, 2012, 05:44:40 am Myles, that sausage has a good color and texture...send a couple links so I can be sure... ;D :)
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 11, 2012, 07:04:21 am YBM you sure know how to set the record straight ;D
thats good ol russian meat there, ill take half pound just for starters O0 Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 11, 2012, 11:55:47 am Hey guys, not to change the subject but why can't I see yur pictures. I use my phone to view the site but pics never show ?
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 11, 2012, 12:03:30 pm soemtimes the pictures can be to big it does that to me too so i just play it off like i know what the pic is
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 11, 2012, 03:11:34 pm Thanks ya wingnutt. That helps a lot !
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on January 11, 2012, 03:58:13 pm YBM you sure know how to set the record straight ;D thats good ol russian meat there, ill take half pound just for starters O0 I only sell it in Kilo's! >:D Title: Re: Re: Re: ohio russians Post by: J.Prince on January 11, 2012, 03:59:20 pm Hey guys, not to change the subject but why can't I see yur pictures. I use my phone to view the site but pics never show ? Get the tapatalk app then you'll be able to see them Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jassenswisher1974 on January 11, 2012, 04:11:04 pm Hey guys, I apologize for not dealing with issues privately. Scott I apologize for getting angry and wish you and nick best of luck.
swish Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 11, 2012, 06:17:42 pm Thanks swish, water under the bridge.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: CURMAN on January 11, 2012, 07:19:33 pm Ohio hog guys, couldn't help letting you know that there are at least one other pig guy in the state. Don't know much but I been at it since 1968 and currently sitting in my recliner looking at at 90 pound YBMC that can tree his heart out or catch what I put him on.
CURMAN Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 11, 2012, 07:28:04 pm Where ya at curman, I'm down south athens area
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 12, 2012, 07:41:06 am YBM you sure know how to set the record straight ;D thats good ol russian meat there, ill take half pound just for starters O0 I only sell it in Kilo's! >:D ill trade you a bag of dog food for a bag of sausage? ;D glad we can settle this fellas, strong foundation is the only way to have a strong dogging community Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jhy on January 12, 2012, 10:03:11 am Got pretty big ears to be a pure Eurasian hog. Got any better examples or pics of that one so we can see the eliptical ears they have a little better?
Joey Young Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: YELLOWBLACKMASK on January 12, 2012, 06:09:10 pm Got pretty big ears to be a pure Eurasian hog. Got any better examples or pics of that one so we can see the eliptical ears they have a little better? Joey Young No such thing as a pure Eurasian in the woods around here anymore unless you have some turned loose from a breeder. Closest thing you can get is a high percent that retained the general characteristics. The stock photo earlier in this post is bout the closest pure example I could provide to a pure bred. Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jhy on January 12, 2012, 06:27:13 pm Look up my old posts and you will see some heavy blooded Eurasian hogs. I still catch a good bit, but do not post pics anymore or stories anymore. It is an art to getting them shut down regularly. Took me about 8 years to get dogs and myself to learn how.
Joey Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 12, 2012, 06:45:14 pm I can believe that its an art. Now tell me how you do it ? Dogs, strategy ? I'm always takin info on this
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: Reuben on January 12, 2012, 06:48:46 pm IMO...the wild hogs are evolving more toward the russian type of hogs that will take flight rather than fight...as the dogs get better and better the faster the hogs evolve...
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: smarlowe on January 12, 2012, 06:52:51 pm Come off it jhy. We need answers here!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: jhy on January 14, 2012, 10:29:46 pm Don't know how your terrain is but, the key is to keep fresh legs that have the track speed to apply the pressure to tire them out and bring them to bay and then have a couple good sized leggy bulldogs that you can send from 400 yds or so.
Title: Re: ohio russians Post by: SCHitemHard on January 15, 2012, 11:34:26 am we used to do driving runs, hounds on one side of the hill and cds on the other, usually the pigs run downhill so bottom of the mt would be my best guess and the pigs run straight to you
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