EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Here's the first episode, It had to be put into two parts due to the length. Give us some feedback! Thanks!


PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/user/L16Films#p/u/1/fOouW-9HcxQ
PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/user/L16Films#p/u/0/zXKGrp64A1U

Awesome Video !

Sure do appreciate seeing some real dogging. Top notch in my opinion which may not be worth much.

Looks good hope you can get it on TV.

in your first video that hog either had bad ancle problems are it had been tied awhile before the video

It wont let me watch it from my phone

haha bout how all these shows are

Looks good! I like the name graphics. You may want to invest in some night vision cameras... That would be a cool aspect to add to the vids. JMO but deff a good vid. Keep it up!

Good job guys!!

Hey Fellas that was some good stuff right there keep it up. I wouldnt be ashamed to put that on t.v. at all. Dont worry about the critics you will always have them. When the odds were against me i always prayed to the big man and read the "Man in the Arena"


“It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with sweat , dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

-“The Man in the Arena”

Good video guys

Thanks for all the advise and posative feedback. The leg was a big ordeal yesterday when that clip was shown in my trailer. Not sure what was up that was a caught pig, not a staged hunt so it may have had leg problems. Regarless thanks for the comments. Also I could not get the first part to play on the phone. Keep spreading the word, and commenting!

Lookin' good Michael!

Hog against the fence looks like it got loose out of a pen, hog in woods is drugged or injured or been tied, you treated that hog pretty ruff draging it and loading it,  city people will look at this and say look, those are bad kids who are fighting sick hogs with pitbulls and have no respect for the animal they hunt, do you have the number to PETA and the Humane Society, i want to drop a nickel and make a donation, please delete this video and take it off the web, its a discrace!!!

That is good video on a hard to shoot sport. I don't believe that is any worse treatment than law enforcement does on an arrested criminal that fights back. As far as drugged hogs, I just don't see it that way. Crazy stuff happens in the woods.

I don't mind having negative feedback, in fact I'd rather have it because it drives me to put out better content for you guys and gals to watch. And I see where you are coming from with the PETA ordeal, but this is a viral (Internet) series, not a tv show so 90% of the viewers are going to be hog hunters not tree huggers. And also there is alot better way to approach problems in my videos than calling everyone's hard work and time including mine a disgrace. You sir you are a disgrace. Please stay off the comments of my content on this site and anywhere my videos are posted. It takes a lot to make me mad but calling my work a disgrace is to far. Thank you have a nice day.

I like to see younger people handling yourself in a professional manner like you just did. You will take heat its just part of it, but you keep your head up and learn from it and do not start bashing people like some people have on this site it will get you a long way. Im sure if you can find the sponsors you will get your own show I like what you are trying to do you seem to be keeping true with the sport. Good luck buddy.

"treeingratterrier" or " knightstockterrier" , or what ever you want to call him seems to make it a habit of disagreeing with the way people do things.. Dont let his negative opinion get you down...  ;)

I enjoyed it! Keep it up!

While I agree that some of  what I have seen so far is staged...the video was not that bad. Making comments about supporting peta and hsus against another dogger is much more disgrace than that video.


On another note...sounds like that 460 lb hog they caught a few years go just slipped by him....he said it was waist tall.  ;D There are some things that are way different than what I would do in the woods (shooting at a hog with dog on it) but it appears to be some good footage and well edited. Thanks for sharing.

Lol good memory bump but was caught and then this one missed probally 60 miles apart.  This is why I run atleast 2 cds

Y'all must be talking about this 460# hog.... rolleyes

(http://i437.photobucket.com/albums/qq100/Boardog44/460lbboar.jpg)

OHH what good memories the ETHD family has! ;D

Sorry guys I can't help you on the 460 pig that was before I met Michael. I just know he has been taught by some of the best around and has very well trained dogs. And he's looking to hunt he doesn't care about what other people think and he's not out there to try and be the next hog hunting star. And that's the type of person I'm looking to film. Someone who comes from the roots of hunting and keeps pushing the old style and original way of hunting

Who is some of the best around, I am in need of training.

He seems like an ok kid. He talks well and you have done a good job on the video. Some of the things he has said and done a few years back has soured a few people on here but nonetheless probably a good kid. Your gonna catch some crap from all of us on here being new and in the business you are promoting...considering all the TV hog hunting everyone is not happy about...just makes an easy target.

You cant get mad when people call you out on the staged video...there is no doubt the daytime video was staged. Heck I might do the same to obtain the necessary footage needed for a few edits. Ill watch your future clips as well.

x2,   I still have a laugh now and then about the 460# bo  that they somehow loaded up on front of a little four wheeler.  Good hog yes, 460# hog, no.   At any rate, I'd like to think he might have learned from past mistakes, and is older and wiser now.

I do as well. I used to hunt with one. Obviously anything can happen but catches seem to go a lot smoother and less dogs cut with two.

I like it better then the river people trailer ;)

I think your blowing this a little out of proportion. Also I asked you to please not comment on my videos. You've already crossed the line with me and I am not nor will I ever take anything you say into consideration. I am sorry. But I will try to make my next few episodes "animal friendly" as possible.

Thanks

He's got every right to post on these forums as you do. You asked for feedback, you didn't ask for positive feedback.... Maybe you should be more careful of what you ask for on a public forum. ;)

Levi...Although he seems to be a bit of a smarta.. that can be a touchy or careful situation on public forums.  Personally I didn't see anything bad in your videos. Just something that most doggers can pick out.

They are good videos, much more documentary like and interesting than what has been shown in the past on t.v. and much more pleasant than most of what is shown on youtube.

Things I would personally change if I were the one editing:

1. Dogs catching where the fence is seen just isn't a good thing.
2. Red hog in the river bottom, there is something up and it doesn't look right...to me she looks like she is give out.  I know it is hard to use a fresh hog in such a close proximity but that just doesn't look good.

I think you are well on your way.  I would like to see some interviews with old dog men and try to do something on the dogs themselves....to me it is marketable if you do it in a tasteful way and do a little cleaning up but otherwise good job!

I understand where all y'all are coming from and am taking it all into consideration. The one thing I have learned from posting on thus site is that it's a cut throat thing. Either you make it or you don't, and if I don't take what y'all tell me and use it then I won't make it. The only thing that bothers me is when people want to get offensive about this and just try to dilberatly shut me down and call my video a disgrace. There is a way better way to approach subjects like the past couple comments have been approached.

Sorry if I am maybe seeming cocky or like I'm not listening because I'm not, I'm just trying to stick up for myself in the most professional manner I can.

Thanks

And PS you read my mind, I have already sat down with some of the"old men" of the sport.

I will tell you what I tell my younger 'in-laws'....you just have to take opinions with a grain of salt, step back and look at what people are telling you; you do not have to agree with it or even do it their way but outside opinions are typically much more true even though they can seem vengeful at the time and everyone has a better way of doing things no matter who is doing it so just take it with a grain of salt.

I think you are headed in a good direction, criticism is the best tool to learn with if you can dance the dance and not loose your cool.

This forum can be tough at times but it is a great place with alot of knowledge and straight forward answers, I think once you get used to some of the personalities you will be just fine! just dance  ;)

good stuff

There is many many different people on this forum with just as many different opinions .  One thing you got to learn is you are not going to please everybody and then some you will.  You got to take the good with the bad if you are going to come on a public forum and ask for feed back and opinions.  If it were me I sure nuff would be open minded and open for all kinds of advise but I don't think I would  do it on a public forum just to many different people with different ideals and opinions.  Pick you out some old time doggers and other folks hell some new ones they got good ideals too and get there opinions and then use your common sense and run with your show and never stop learning and always have open mind and you will do just fine.

To many people to many different ways to many opinions can only lead to argument's !

I say bring on the negative feedback... That is honestly (IMO) what you need the most! What good does it do to you or anyone else that is making a movie, if the person watching it said, "good job" every time. We, as A/V editors/producers, need negativity to improve on what others view as inappropriate or inhumane. If you want your show to be VERY successful (IMO) it needs to be accepted by anyone who watches. Now after saying that, if you are not trying to reach a more broadened group of viewers, then show what you want and what you feel passionate about. Personally, I want to film and show what WE consider to be interesting, and although I like input and feedback, our films are really for us to just watch our dogs more closely to examine each of the dogs’ tactics and skills. Our videos are really just point-of-view shots of our excitement that we like to share. Like I said before, I like your editing skills, and I would have to agree with the others that the “old school” doggers would be a great addition on the sit down talks part. (JMO) but if you were to add couple more things like hunting with different groups of doggers, and showing how other people hunt as well would be good addition. I love seeing two different packs interact with each other… never know what kind of swine you’ll bring out when different people get together. I’ve had bad and good scenarios come from it. Either way men, you are on the right track (IMO), or your venture should turn out very successful. A lot better than the jokes we see on TV anyway… and P.S. The hog did look a little tired or something; maybe it was hurt or something, IDK, just was my first thought when I saw it. Probably won’t be something a non-dogger will spot, but just food for thought. Keep up the good work men!

i enjoyed the videos, i know how hard it is to get good footage and i thought yall did a good job. i will def watch again when u put up more, your videos are already better then what i have seen on the three t.v shows. if some ones got better than keep posting i like watching good hunting videos. keep on guys put the negative stuff behind yall and move on, sounds like your critics have a def way, let them do theirs their way and u be your own man and do yours your way

You are taking a chance for some hard feed back posting on here,  Look hard at what they said.  Its not what the hunters see, its the non hunters.  I was once told 20% of public are hunters, 20% anti hunters, & 60% no opnion.  In my opnion those 60% are the ones we need to have the most influence on, they are the majority, & it is better to sway them toward hunting than against.
 I would think the last thing you want is for a video to be used to take that rite from us.  Its hard do a video, and I think youll did a good job, heck its hard enough to get a pict of a hog being bayed, little on a video.  Just in my opnion try and keep it tastefull for the 60%,  they are the ones to be concerned with. 

I really enjoyed the video, but two things that caught my attention was the jerking of the hog while dragging it, and the pig with its head in the panel.
   Not trying to criticize at all, just something to think about.

Yall don't mess around!haha this is exactly what were looking for so keep the feedback rolling in so when episode 2 comes out it will have everything y'all are looking for in it.! Great stuff!

Personally if you keep dudes face out of the camera it would be a lot easier to watch lol just messing with ya but make sure you tell him that has been the most commented on.  Oh yeah and no blue pits in the next episode lol.  Everyone knows they can't catch lmao.  Just messing with them don't get riled up guys.

Good video! Ill just make a few suggetions for the editing of things I would try to keep out of the camera. Some of this may have been mentioned but I just skimmed through most of the posts.

Jerking live hogs
Catching injured hogs, I could care less if it is staged or not but the public doesnt want to see an injured hog get smashed by a cd.
Blood (I think it would have been better if he just flipped the last boar hog on to its other side or tie it up then stick it off camera if its in a place yall cant get it out)
Squealing, I dont know how this can be edited out, but for people who dont know the sport, that is a terrible distress sound and makes them think the hog is in alot of pain. The blood all over the place with the squealing is even worse. We all know how it is, but we got to think about what the non hunting public thinks, or what some liberal, who is tryin to shut us down, can do with the footage.

Other than that, great video, keep them coming. I am one of the few people on here who like watching hog doggin shows (staged or not), just wish they didnt threaten our way of life. Im in the stephenville area right now, if there is anything yall need help with, holler at me.