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I'm new here and I have a question about my new pup. I bought a BMC pup and his mom and dad had all of the markings of a typical BMC, however he has a light colored mask and a liver colored nose. I did a little research and I have read that those traits are likely but I was curious if you all thought that maybe he might have a little ridgeback in the family tree.

Well getting an answer about color and confirmation on a Bmc is like opening a strangers tackle box. It all depends on their line what traits they bred for and how rigid they kept their line. You are definitely gonna here from some of the registered boyz about the liver or pink nose.  ;D Just to make sure confirm he still or did have a tail.  :o

But seriously you need to take a look at parents and grandparents if possible to make sure you didn't get some outside influence on him.  If he came from a respected line the owner should be able to answer all these questions without hesitation and back it up with photos of its heritage. 

Good luck bud glad to see ya goin Bmc either way! 

 


Post a picture and who bred the dog and where they came from, somebody will prob know the line or dog traderlol.  How old is the dog and what have you done with him so far??

He does have a full tail. I have seen the parents and they are your"typical" bmc. I could really care less as long as he will do his job. He shows good signs of pig hate'n. His parents were gritty as all get out. I was just curious because I do not know a lot about the breed in general. Just like to learn all I can. Thx

I am at work and using my ipad so I am unable to post pucs right now. I will try to post soon. He is 6 months old and I have not had him long. Right now I am just trying to build a relationship with him. I am not in a big hurry. I want him to trust me first. He does work well in a pen though.

Don't let him fool you yellowblackmask, he has a cat too!  Lol j/k.  He does have a good cat but I was happy to see him going yellow too.  I've heard of that before. Pink-nosed bmc. Imayellafella had a litter that had a couple in it.

Yup figured as much..hence the reason he had to get a Bmc!  LOL

Nah bud alot of variety on the Bmc. You will have to do your leg work to find out the true origin of what ya got. But the good part is YOU GOT A BMC!  Your definitely on the right track.  ;D

Not the best pics. Makes his snout look a lot longer than it is.
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He is a good lookin lil pup. I would say talk to some of the papered dog holders. Seems to be a more common trait on the liver or pink noses. 

Do a search on here for pink nosed cur dogs there was a thread awhile back that could be interesting to ya.

Some of the Foundation (FMBCIO) dogs have the pink noses. Here a pic from Wrights curs.

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Looks like you found the pups mama James. Lol

I Dosen't get much closer than that, huh?  Lol. Thanks for the info.

 there is rumor, or possibly truth, depending on who you talk to about the pink noses. it is rumored to be caused by breeding to close, basicly inbred. line breeding is a good thing, but when your lines start stacking ontop of each other on the top side and bottom, from what ive read on this forum from others, you get them pink noses. i got the papers on a pup who has a pink nose, and his top and bottom lines are really really tight crossed.

i have 2 pink nosed pups in my litter of pups right now. and as far as i know my harley gyp is no where near related to brians dog. but who knows? both pups that have the pink noses also have choclate masks!

There is a big difference between linebred bmcs with pink noses, and MUTTS with pink noses and chocolate masks!!!  >:D   :D

well gunther there you are!!! did u get my gyp behind the wood pile and breed her? there all a little thick built so i ruled you out on being there pappy, but i might be wrong. :-\ they sure do have some ears on them

Wasnt me.. I dont like white bitches...  :-*  :laugh:

Isnt stew kind of more white colored?? Or maybe im thinking of a different dog he posted...

No, I think all that tight breeding is bringing all the snakes out of the woodpile. ;)

I've never seen any old bloodline of bmc's throw pink noses or bob-tails.

 ;)  I like your thinking........ sometimes..  ;D

Looks like my pup at 6 months old.
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I have seen a number of pups of that color from litters that were straight BMC for several generations. Some BMC lines have these color genetics; the same is true for saddleback, black and tan, and other colors and patterns of BMCs. Brindle is also a BMC color but usually one or both parents will be brindle.

A lot of the florida BMC had pink noses and bob tailed that go back to the early 90's. They were all papered ben bred dogs.

But papers are only as honest as the man/women behind them! ;D

I think that while many of us today try to be very careful of matings to be sure we know parentage, in the past (and to some extent today) I believe that many of those who raised and used these curs and actually contributed much to the development of very useful dogs, were not so concerned about precisely knowing parentage. A dog was either useful or not; the dogs that were kept for the most part were useful to the owner. Many of these folks did not pen their dogs and pups were sired many times by the dogs on the place. Also, while in the distant past limited travel restricted the gene pool to a local area, occasionally the opportunity to outcross came about and was used, and may or may not be acknowledged (or in some cases known by the owners). I don't think this was always the case but I believe it happened with sufficient frequency that in some cases the dogs from these groups are not always exclusively those original genetics. I don't think this diminishes the value/usefulness of these dogs and I am sure that it is in the past of the curs I have. But as someone said earlier, when we inbreed these dogs, we learn a lot about their genetic background. However, in my opinion, color is one of the less important traits compared to ability and drive to hunt, find, stay, etc. Many years ago, I heard Ben Jordan say "Color is the easiest thing to fix." I think he was right.

Doc I agree with what you are saying as well as BJ. When we make a breeding I first look for that natural desire to work/hunt,second I want one to work stock the way a BMC should,third I want a dog to have natural wind and be naturally tough,fourth a good nose,fifth a mouth that carries and is nice to hear, then maybe I will get around to thinking about color.Bottom line though is a man/woman should feed what they like. JMO

There has been a lot of great info given on this subject. Thanks for all the input. I have learned a whole lot.