Title: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on December 30, 2011, 10:50:35 am It seems that the TDHA and the Los Cazadores contests are going to be on the same weekend this year???
For the powers that be, someone may want to change some dates around on one of these. They're both very high turn-out contests... having them the same weekend will definately hurt the number of entries in each one. Just something to think about... Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on December 30, 2011, 11:23:57 am I agree Mike, the TDHA contest has been the first weekend of March for years. Los Cazadores moved their date. They were told of the conflict early on and didn't see the need to change. TDHA had our location booked 6 months ago as allways.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: justincorbell on December 30, 2011, 11:27:46 am I agree mike, its tdha all the way for me
I don't always kill animals with my assassin, but when I do I use BLOODRUNNERS! Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: SCHitemHard on December 30, 2011, 12:58:57 pm I agree Mike, the TDHA contest has been the first weekend of March for years. Los Cazadores moved their date. They were told of the conflict early on and didn't see the need to change. TDHA had our location booked 6 months ago as allways. looks like they should bend first, has any contact been made? Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on December 30, 2011, 01:01:42 pm I dont rent or tye pigs so im going to loscazadores
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on December 30, 2011, 01:03:07 pm I was just curious as there's been no public announcement on the TDHA contest yet.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on December 30, 2011, 01:13:41 pm I heard from a insider that they moved to beat the heat. I think Tdha might have hurt thier turn out with live hogs only.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on December 30, 2011, 01:51:40 pm TDHA contest will be the first weekend of March, catch and tie, live hog weigh in. "thats official" ;D
We always start the promotion for the contest after the first of the year. We have a very good committee that has been working on the contest for several months and things are running a head of years past. We have had some new things to iron out regarding the live hog weigh-in, but rest assured we are good to go. We are looking forward to seeing everyone at the weigh-in, its a great gathering of the top dog hunters in the state. Thanks, Paul T Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on December 30, 2011, 01:57:09 pm Paul,
Being that it's a catch and tie contest this year, does that mean it's no longer a hunt for the hungry? Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on December 30, 2011, 02:01:20 pm The winners of the two contest should have a match that would be intesting.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on December 30, 2011, 02:05:26 pm Mike, that is correct. They don't want, or can no longer take field dressed feral hogs for the hunters harvest program. We have been fighting this for a couple of years now and with a change of directors at Hunters Harvest they have said they just can't legally take the meat.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on December 30, 2011, 02:11:11 pm So much for helping the hungry
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Txmason on December 30, 2011, 04:37:11 pm We'll be donating Money instead of meat to the needy.
We'll also see how many can catch and tie for the cause. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Bino9905 on December 30, 2011, 05:04:07 pm I am sure the hogs can be sold to the meat packing facilities that send the hogs to Europe and that money be given to feed the hungry.
What about having game ranches come in and bid on the biggest hogs and get money that way? Will they take the meat if it is not field dressed but cleaned at a meat processing facility? If so there has to be a processor out there or college that will do it at a discount. In the future maybe the state can used to subsidize the processing cost since the state will benefit from hogs being removed and needy families fed. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on December 30, 2011, 07:32:34 pm Long way from bandera to halletsville.We enterd in 201o placed in 9th and biggest barr drive almost killed us. This year we will go to pearsall 'BUZZARDS HAVE TO EAT TO' ;D
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: halfbreed on December 30, 2011, 11:01:14 pm another conflict is the east fork and upsher county hunt feb 16th thru 19th . i guess you could enter both and go check out and see if you got enough to win one or the other :o if i was gonna put on a hunt i think i'd try and find out what's up .
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: uglydog on December 31, 2011, 01:01:52 am (http://loscazadores.net/main/files.php?file=banners/Battle_for_the_Belt_v3a_512968347.jpg)
this is the one that Bayed Solid / Pig Man is Sponsoring in Pearsall, Tx ? Is this all the same thing? I am trying to look it up, found this link http://loscazadores.net/main/index.php?news=3017 but all details are on deer hunt Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: adamp on December 31, 2011, 02:57:21 am (http://loscazadores.net/main/files.php?file=banners/Battle_for_the_Belt_v3a_512968347.jpg) this is the one that Bayed Solid / Pig Man is Sponsoring in Pearsall, Tx ? Is this all the same thing? I am trying to look it up, found this link http://loscazadores.net/main/index.php?news=3017 but all details are on deer hunt Yes it is, pigman hosted it last year but didnt do so well. This year I expect quote the weigh in from the two and I'm sure barefoot bob will be bringing in some bruisers as well. My only complaint is I better see a lie detector test this year as the rules are loose and cut hogs on in high fenced places are aloud. That being said, I will be entering again this year but caught and tie ran me off from hunt for the hungry Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: cward on December 31, 2011, 08:12:44 am Well I like the catch And tie we will be at the tdha hunt. Hope all the money goes to feed the hungry. That would make it even better for us.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: matt_aggie04 on December 31, 2011, 10:52:34 am On the catch and tie do the hogs have to be brought in tied or can I bring them in just alive and in the trailer? I guess my next question is how will you know I caught them with dogs vs just emptying a trap? Catch and tie is not bad, the randy bumpers is done the same way I just always wondered how you could tell if they were dog caught or not.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Centexhogdogger on December 31, 2011, 11:33:42 am High fence hogs are alowd
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: halfbreed on December 31, 2011, 11:59:22 am hell catch and tie, bay and shoot, bay and stick there's no way of knowing if someone cheated or not as far as condition of the hogs . damn good liar can beat a polygraph . just have to rely on good ethics wich there ain't a whole lot of anymore . just pay ya money go have a good time and hope for the best . it should be all about the fun anyway and a cheater gets their just deserves eventually .
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on December 31, 2011, 05:56:29 pm On the catch and tie do the hogs have to be brought in tied or can I bring them in just alive and in the trailer? I guess my next question is how will you know I caught them with dogs vs just emptying a trap? Catch and tie is not bad, the randy bumpers is done the same way I just always wondered how you could tell if they were dog caught or not. Mike, rules will be finalised soon, but, Hogs should be brought in to the weigh-in lose in a trailer. Another BOD and myself will inspect every hog individuality as it is weighed. POLYGRAPH, TDHA has one of the best polygraph men there is in the country. No one will ever beat the polygraph. Capt. Slator was an interrogator for Seal Team 6 in the middle east. Anyone who thinks they can beat the TDHA polygraph is a fool. I would not enter any contest without a quality polygraph. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on December 31, 2011, 06:29:42 pm Well, I figured I bring it up. Hopefully next year the two organizations can get on the same page and have it on different weekends.
I was invited and already committed to hunting Los Cazadores several months back before any dates were known. Looks like I'll be heading west to where the big toothies roam. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on December 31, 2011, 06:34:27 pm High fence hogs are alowd Just about all of South Texas and the Hill Country is under high fence. Those fences don't mean anything to hogs... they go where they want to. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Bump on January 02, 2012, 08:12:23 pm I don't catch n tie but the TDHA tournament has been the largest and most respected in my opinion. Id like to hunt the Los Cazadors but no lie detector makes it less creditable imo. Wish they would change that and look at other contest dates..
I do agree with Mike. Those high fences do not mean anything. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: BALLSOUT HOGDOGGIN on January 02, 2012, 08:50:41 pm where are the details for the upsher county hunt
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: halfbreed on January 02, 2012, 08:53:47 pm maybe if the united states legal system allowed lie detectors in as proof positive of innocence or guilt i would have more faith in them . makes me wonder why they don't . maybe cause we teach our own opperatives how to beat them. semper fie upsher county hunt was advertised in bayed solid you can call the gimer area chamber of commerce for details or go to www.hogwildex.org
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: halfbreed on January 02, 2012, 08:58:24 pm thats supposed to be www.hogwildtx.org but i couldn't get it to come up the # for gilmer is 903-843-2413
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: cwhite_25 on January 03, 2012, 09:13:15 am I think the catch and tie is the best way to go. Will be alot less stressful on us and the TDHA.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: MAV on January 03, 2012, 09:56:19 am i agree on the high fence dont make no difference except if you need to get on the other side because you can bet that the pigs know exactly where the holes are.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: ED BARNES on January 03, 2012, 10:04:34 am ID NEVER ENTER A CONTEST CAUSE ID BE THROWIN MY MONEY AWAY, BUT IF A LIE DETECTOR TEST IS NEEDED ID PASS EVEN IF I THOUGHT I COULD WIN. ALL THE COMPETITION I WNAT IN MY HUNTIN IS GOOD NATURED JABS N LIES WITH THE GUYS IM HUNTIN WITH
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: txhogsanddogs on January 03, 2012, 10:10:20 am I think the catch and tie is the best way to go. Will be alot less stressful on us and the TDHA. Are you hunting it again this year Chad? Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: cwhite_25 on January 03, 2012, 10:19:35 am I think the catch and tie is the best way to go. Will be alot less stressful on us and the TDHA. Are you hunting it again this year Chad? I think so buddy. I hope your not bc you got all the hogs...haha Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 03, 2012, 06:29:20 pm I think the catch and tie is the best way to go. Will be alot less stressful on us and the TDHA. Are you hunting it again this year Chad? I think so buddy. I hope your not bc you got all the hogs...haha True, but his dogs can't catch a cold. >:D Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: KR-OLD MEXICO on January 03, 2012, 09:29:30 pm (http://loscazadores.net/main/files.php?file=banners/Battle_for_the_Belt_v3a_512968347.jpg) this is the one that Bayed Solid / Pig Man is Sponsoring in Pearsall, Tx ? Is this all the same thing? I am trying to look it up, found this link http://loscazadores.net/main/index.php?news=3017 but all details are on deer hunt Yes it is, pigman hosted it last year but didnt do so well. This year I expect quote the weigh in from the two and I'm sure barefoot bob will be bringing in some bruisers as well. My only complaint is I better see a lie detector test this year as the rules are loose and cut hogs on in high fenced places are aloud. That being said, I will be entering again this year but caught and tie ran me off from hunt for the hungry We all decided to move the contest due to the heat. We were unaware of the the other contest and we apologize for the confusion. The date is set and will probably remain that date from this day forward but we are not the only one that makes that decision, Los Cazadores has final say obviously. I hope we have a huge turn out and we are working on more good stuff to do along with this contest. We hope to see you all there. We got our butts kicked last year and weighed in some hogs that most people would have never showed up with! In this sport you have your good days and bad days as everyone one here that actually hunts knows!!! Lie detectors will be in place but as many people have said they can be beat too! We enter to have fun but have all intentions to win when we start and that is what keeps us hunting day to day is the thrill of the chase and the surprise that come as we approach every bay! Let's stick together and cherish this sport! Oh, by the way unfortunately Barefoot Bob will not be allowed this year due to huge complaints! Bad deal for ole Bob, don't know him and don't care but it's bad tha people are being banned. We are looking forward to a good ole hunt that everyone can enjoy. Good luck to all and hope to see everyone there! Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: jsh on January 04, 2012, 05:05:48 am Just my opinion guys, but I've sold a couple hogs to Bob and know people that know him. This man's life has been centered around dog hunting. Not just hogs either. He has access to lots of land littered with hogs. He knows how they travel, bed down, etc..
I heard there were complaints that his hogs did not look dogs caught. He does not run 10 dogs on the ground or dump out a box full of dogs on every bay. He hunts with one dog and a catch dog or a Stag. Hell, I think his bulldogs will even take a hot track. Bottom line is he is on the hog quick, ties it and moves onto the next. I don't know the man as well as others, but having been to his home and his kennels, I saw or heard nothing that seemed to make him dishonest. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Bump on January 04, 2012, 10:43:38 am Dont know Barefoot Bob but I think they should let him in because of his name.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: uglydog on January 04, 2012, 01:14:48 pm I agree Rexy ;D If Obama can be President, Barefoot Bob should hunt!
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: chase on January 04, 2012, 05:08:30 pm Was wanting to know if someone could tell me why barefoot bob isn't going to be allowed to hunt?
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: HOGHUNTINGAL on January 04, 2012, 05:26:48 pm I want to invite a sponsor or member to come and hunt with them in this hunt it will answer any question you may have about banning him personally I don't think you can keep up they don't sleep till after weigh in and we don't hunt any high game fences thank you and I am a very honest person and am good at what we do our bloodlines have been around for 30 years or more we don't just take a dog off the street and take it hunting. We do guide for a living and can hunt most of our area in west Texas don't judge before you have been with us or have proof we are more than willing to prove to you we are legit so I invite you to come hunt with us.... Thank you Brandi Richardson 325-370-4191
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: TexasJ on January 04, 2012, 05:33:13 pm I want to invite a sponsor or member to come and hunt with them in this hunt it will answer any question you may have about banning him personally I don't think you can keep up they don't sleep till after weigh in and we don't hunt any high game fences thank you and I am a very honest person and am good at what we do our bloodlines have been around for 30 years or more we don't just take a dog off the street and take it hunting. We do guide for a living and can hunt most of our area in west Texas don't judge before you have been with us or have proof we are more than willing to prove to you we are legit so I invite you to come hunt with us.... Thank you Brandi Richardson 325-370-4191 I wouldn't direct attention to other hunters. If Los Cazadores would polygraph their winners then it's not an arguable point. Tell Los Cazadores to "put up or shut up". They advertised use of polygraph but when it came down to it... it didn't happen. So direct your words to Los Cazadores and tell them to step up their game, and give credit to their hunters by legitimizing their tournament with a polygraph. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on January 04, 2012, 06:21:45 pm Isaw the hogs he brought in and they did look like they never had a dog on any of them. I wish they would let him prove his innocence with outslandering his name. when you buy hogs or have recieving stations theirs going to be suspecion
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: KR-OLD MEXICO on January 04, 2012, 08:13:51 pm I talked personally to Team Barefoot, it was my understanding that they knew what was going on, but apparently not. Los Cazadores and their owners are some of the most stand up people in this world and there has been a misscommunication here. They are considering options and working on this, but let's not be confused!!! The only reason this so called ban has been considered is do to the out pouring of so called fellow hog hunters complaining about Bob's team and their success! They had decided to make this decision to salvage the contest as a result of the number of calls and comments about Ole Bob. What everyone needs to do is relax and take responsibility as to what comes out of each hunt and their performance, dogs, team members or whatever! After all it is still called Hunting! I take full responsibility for being the bearer of bad news but that's it! We obviously play the hand we are dealt good or bad and the rest of the teams need to follow suit! Lie detectors will be in place for sure so I guess Los Cazadores will put up rather than shut up. This will disscussed, addressed and handled by the Los Cazadores staff for the future and moved along from there. I'm sorry to have added to this drama, something I try hard to stay away from! My vote is to let them hunt with or without a whitness, camera or whatever! Good luck to all, hope to see everyone there and we hope you don't have the luck. Had this past year! Our sport of dog hunting is always under fire and touch and go as it is! Let's stick together and cherish this long lived method of hunting!
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Bump on January 04, 2012, 08:47:53 pm Glad to see the system put in place. Sounds like they are wanting to legitimize their contest....although the name speaks for itself. Who wants to win a contest where the best isn't allowed. I don't know barefoot bob...but let bob hunt. Long live barefoot ;D
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: txhogsanddogs on January 05, 2012, 07:43:36 am I think the catch and tie is the best way to go. Will be alot less stressful on us and the TDHA. Are you hunting it again this year Chad? I think so buddy. I hope your not bc you got all the hogs...haha True, but his dogs can't catch a cold. >:D I'm hunting this one for sure and yes i know were just a couple are layed up. Ive already planned on taking off and won't miss this one this year. Chad call me sometime. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 05, 2012, 06:57:04 pm Good luck Brian. I hope you do well. ;D
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: uglydog on January 05, 2012, 06:58:03 pm WEll there you have it.
POLY GRAPH in place. Sounds like a pretty rich contest, now I agree with BUMP, If I cant compete against the best whats the point of it being in a contest? to try and out hunt 2nd best or a bunch of wanna bees is not much of a challenge. Lots of number 2s out there. TEAM BAREFOOT, I wanna see YALL HUNT this contest! Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: T-Bob Parker on January 05, 2012, 07:05:54 pm Haters gonna hate no matter what you do. Let team barefoot hunt.
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: txhogsanddogs on January 06, 2012, 06:57:37 am WEll there you have it. POLY GRAPH in place. Sounds like a pretty rich contest, now I agree with BUMP, If I cant compete against the best whats the point of it being in a contest? to try and out hunt 2nd best or a bunch of wanna bees is not much of a challenge. Lots of number 2s out there. TEAM BAREFOOT, I wanna see YALL HUNT this contest! Well UGLYDOG, I'll give you a run for your money! ;) Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: JoshH34 on January 06, 2012, 07:42:06 am Brian, are you going to make it out with Travis this year or are you staying east?
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: ROCKIN ROO HOG DOGS on January 06, 2012, 07:54:31 am Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on January 06, 2012, 08:35:02 am Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o Ha ha ha... me and ol' LionandBoarHunter are hunting in it. We may only catch a few shoats... but they'll probably have 5" teeth! :o Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 06, 2012, 08:58:50 am Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o Ha ha ha... me and ol' LionandBoarHunter are hunting in it. We may only catch a few shoats... but they'll probably have 5" teeth! :o If they were weighing you all would win hands down. ;) Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: KR-OLD MEXICO on January 06, 2012, 09:08:56 am Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o :) :) :) :) :) Time will tell!!!! From the looks of last year that could be true! :-[ :-[ We appreciate all the feedback and everyone bring there arses to the contest this year, its gonna be fun!!! Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on January 06, 2012, 09:25:45 am If they were weighing teeth, you all would win hands down. ;) There, now it's reads correctly. Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: ETHHunters on January 06, 2012, 06:23:03 pm Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o Ha ha ha... me and ol' LionandBoarHunter are hunting in it. We may only catch a few shoats... but they'll probably have 5" teeth! :o Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on January 06, 2012, 07:55:01 pm Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o Ha ha ha... me and ol' LionandBoarHunter are hunting in it. We may only catch a few shoats... but they'll probably have 5" teeth! :o Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: ETHHunters on January 06, 2012, 08:49:15 pm Pigman couldnt catch a cold! And old barefoot bob should be the least of everybodys worrries.....Yall better pray that LionandBoarhunter James dont hunt it cos we have all seen the monsters he reels in :o Ha ha ha... me and ol' LionandBoarHunter are hunting in it. We may only catch a few shoats... but they'll probably have 5" teeth! :o Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on January 06, 2012, 08:56:08 pm We might not catch a hog... but I bet we'll have a good time trying! ;D
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: ETHHunters on January 06, 2012, 09:04:39 pm We might not catch a hog... but I bet we'll have a good time trying! ;D That's all you can ask for is a great time! Jesse is usually good for that!Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: dogman on January 07, 2012, 11:13:53 am Thanks for the kind words guys. We have asked Los Cazadores to send a representative with our team to witness the hunt with us - to put an end to all this bickering. Just like you all know, when you happen to do well in anything, you end up in the spotlight. We are not the only good hog team in this contest. There are lots of great teams and good people to meet. We have just been fortunate to do well and have a little luck on our side when we needed it. Hope to meet more of you doggers there. We'll see what happens. Matthew McWilliams w/ Team Barefoot
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on January 11, 2012, 06:28:48 pm We hava let our best place rest sence november on all you can eat protien the first night we went there we killed 11 total and 3 over 300 and the next time the one that broke scales at 420 then one took my lead dog and walked off. We might of killed them all but it should of loaded back up .Team toothy mike lionandboarhunter hillcountry and a unnamed ringer
Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: Mike on January 11, 2012, 08:52:31 pm We hava let our best place rest sence november on all you can eat protien the first night we went there we killed 11 total and 3 over 300 and the next time the one that broke scales at 420 then one took my lead dog and walked off. We might of killed them all but it should of loaded back up .Team toothy mike lionandboarhunter hillcountry and a unnamed ringer Dammit boy... you just jinxed us! Now all we're gonna catch is a bunch of shoats!!! Title: Re: Hunting Contest Date Conflicts... Post by: hillcountry on January 11, 2012, 09:19:45 pm with chompers
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