EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I just seen this on the news this morning. It put me in mind of a few sinarios Ive seen running and catching big hogs in the woods!!! lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF-Bheb7WmQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

nice catch dog i wonder how he is bred.. what kind of hobbles were they using? popo

Those cops should be fired... Talk about unnecessary ! Americas FINEST... sorry a$$ cops.

My thoughts exactly I would have been trying to get away to with all that bs goin on.

U run from the cops you deserve to be taken down and taken down HARD also if you listen dispatch says shots fired think he got just what he deserved well probably not near enough of it but

hell that weren't nothing . i been whooped up on and arrested quite a few times in my youth . never once thought about suing . deserved every knott they put on my head . this is whats wrong with america bunch of pansys ooooh the mean ol policeman hit me cause i deserved it . i'm gonna sue boo hooo . he got what he deserved . or maybe they should a give him an icecream cone an a time out  rolleyes rolleyes

NO American should be treated with that amount of force. Clearly theres a fine line between to much and just enough. The police have the final decision because its THEIR life being threatened. This is brutal to say the least, this type of police brutality needs to be dealt with by the same measures that you or i would be held against in a self defense case. Also id say that dog's handler needs to be fired. That dog on the other hand was a beast and given the proper handler; he could be a WELL trained assassin. Sorry for the rant, its just pigs like these that make you question how much your rights really mean (Ie.cops overwhelmingly get acquitted from brutality charges). Fair is fair, dont beat me while im down son. Handling there emotions with the restraint of 5 year olds puts a very bad face on our Amazing law force agencies that as a whole would not accept this behavior.

he might have just shot a cop, or worse he might have kidnapped a child? what ever he did he must have pissed them off pretty good. but im sure they will all b fired now.

Really??,,,,....  I don't care about some a-hole catching an azz woopin but that dog, a beast? and with a propper handler he could be an assasin? how do you come by that? the dog was walked up and put on the bite...  many PD dogs are weak anyhow.

Ok maybe he deserved to get busted up a bit... But why in the hell does a man laying face down on the ground with a man on his back deserve to be attacked by a dog that's doing what it is trained to do on individuals that are actively RUNNING from the police not laying face down with someone already on your back. What happened to innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your piers. This crap goes on all the time. Just an example. Had a good buddy get charged with a dui he went to court paid his fines and probation. He received his cleared papers stating he had completed all requirements. Few months go by he gets stopped for speeding. As the officer looks up his licence he tells him he has a warrant for his arrest. Well thy take his in its for the dui he had already been cleared from. During the process of taking him in he left his truck for us to pick up with his wallet and belongings in it. They stole 300$ out of his wallet before we picked up his truck and the money in his pocket. While he was wrongfully detained there was another individual in a few cells down in a straight jacket tied to a chair. The officers that protect and serve us repeatedly pepper sprayed the man that was already in a straight jacket to the point of his whole face being blistered.

So, if somebody put you in a life threatening situation, whether you were a police officer or not, would you beat the number two out of them? The man in the video obviously had no respect for authority, do you think he think he should be treated with respect?

When you run from the COPS in a high speed pursuit, expect to get your $ss WHOOPED.

X 2 exactly what i was thinkin. This is one of the main reasons people don't think twice about breakin the law, cause they know the worst thats gonna happen is free room and bored, free meals, brought to them while they lay around and watch free cable tv and play cards, all they while having more rights than the law abiding citizens out here busting their butts trying to provide for their family.
   If it was up to me, if you was caught breaking the law such as "evading arrest" you automatically forfeit your civil rights.
   And yes, ive been there, like halfbreed said, I deserved what i got, which in turn made me "NOT" want to do it again.
   This "time out" generation.......well I'll just leave it at that.
Whats sad, is this criminal will probly get a big settlement "get paid" for breaking the law.

kinda like my granpa asked me one time when i was a teenager (can't remember how or why it came up)..."have you ever got an a$$ whoppin you didn't deserve?" (and while i sat there thinking, like a know it all teenager)...he said, "...and before you answer that, was there any that you missed that you know you deserved?"

Wont ever forget that conversation

Indeed i would. That is why i am not a police officer. To serve and protect implies a certain dignity and moral standard that should be employed and carried out by law enforcement. Im not saying that man didnt endanger the police but once he was subdued there was no longer a threat and as a law enforcement officer you have to call your own personal anger off. If you cant control yourself dont be a cop! If you or i were videotaped with 15 of our buddys as we were "subduing" a single attacker, believe me we would end up in jail for attempted murder. If our dogs attacked even a rober we could be charged with battery with a  deadly weapon. please some cops are just plain scum, a majority are good though. Without good cops we would live in a state of war.

I know where this thread is going but cant help commenting anyhow. Those of you on here that know me, know what i do for a living and where i stand.  I dont know the  specifics on this incident, and videos (especially dash cams) are hard to get the whole story from (because of the angles),  now that being said, if a K-9 handler put his dog on a bite when I was hands on, ID BE PISSED!  Its dangerous to the other LEOs on scene.  Now whether the boy needed his ass wooped or not, no one on this board (including me) is qualified to answer.  But that being said it looked like they HAD to drag him outta the truck. 

I'm going to be short. I see 1 problem and only 1, as I was not there and will not draw conclusions from a crappy dash cam video. That K-9 handler should be fired and his credentials stripped!!!! As for anything else, I see no need to comment.

i think they handled that crack head very well. still think they should use an AB for a catch dog instead of a danged ole german shepard......

The deal is real simple to me. If the perp did not want that to happen all he had to do is not run. He got exactly what he deserved.

i highley suspect that the last thing on those officers' minds are how they are going to look on camera when the smoke clears.

that situation could have been handled a thousand different ways including how it was handled.
it could of have had as many different outcomes.
judgement, training, and experience in the field is what determines those outcomes.
you do not gain judgement and experience in situations like these without partaking in them.
which is why there are cameras installed. when the smoke clears, superiors reveiw the situation and decide wether or not it was handled accordingly.  the men that did well get a pat on the back. the men that did not do so well get reprimanded, retrained, or fired.

i'd bet the dog handler falls in the latter of those two catagories.

I just thought it was crazy that one cop almost ran over the other officer getting out of car!!

Well said. I hope your right...

hell when training a dog you gotta show it some fur every now and then  ;D  ;D >:D

If you give respect you shall receive respect ,obviously ole boy had none

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the media only showed the part of the incident they wqnted to.  Not enough footage to make a decesion if it was my job.  I think it only becomes excessive, after he sumits, he never did, from what I saw.  What we probally didnt see was him run threw a school cross walk, indangering children, ect.  What if he had gotten away and ran and killed someone inocent?  Then the officers would have not used enough force to contain him!

Damn "Law dogs".  Definatle took that one too far.  They think they can do what ever they want.  Its not a question if the criminal deserved it or not.  He most likely did.  Its a matter of police not being above the law, and thinking they can do as they please just because they have a badge.

Waylon

LOL, thats what i was thinkin. You learn by doing. ;D

   DAMNED if you Do and DAMNED if you DONT  ! ! ! ! ! !   popo

So what some of you liberalist are saying is that a  " Suspect " is completely innocent , even after shooting at the police, driving at very high rates of speed through neighborhoods with children playing, Blasting through intersections in which your or someone elses wifes, children or grand children are traveling, All of which he done in view of several officer. Of course he is Innocent , Whatever ! ! ! ! Only because he has allegedly committed a crime prior to this , maybe robbed a convient store and held a pistol to your daughter or wifes head or broke into " YOUR " home and stole everything you have worked all your life for.  Then after this high speed pursuit ( in which NONE of the police officers saw any of because the SKUMBAG is still innocent ) he is still attempting to get up and resisting he should be handed the hand cuffs and ASKED to PLEASE PUT THESE ON YOURSELF , and if he doesnt then just let him walk away because he is INNOCENT .   Come on now I know y'all have more sence than to even think this way . 

I will say The dog was NOT nessaccary .  If it were me I would have wrapped his ass up in a LA County choke hold and I promise you in about 5 seconds he would have been cuffed. I kinda have a saying  " WHERE THE HEAD GOES THE BODY WILL FOLLOW "

If you act this way you should EXPECT to be treated this way ! ! ! ! ! !   

Yes he was clearly a criminal, yes he clearly offended every officer out there. Yes he may have endangered countless lives, but when he was surrounded by fifteen officers and he was on the ground he no longer needed to be bitten or punched continuosly in the face. After he is on the ground he can be subdued rather easily and pain free. I am a martial artist and have been training for nearly 12 years, if i was to apply the amount of force those officers applied after my opponent taped, consider my ass fined out the wazoo for unsportsmanlike conduct, just like these police should be thrown out for un cop like conduct. We depend on these cops when were in danger and it would feel good if they stayed within there rights and not punish people they see commit crimes because that is NOT THE TYPE OF JUDICIAL SYSTEM we have in the USA. Cops arrest people using what force is necessary and then they get there punishment from a judge, their "power" stops there, alot of these cops feel unimportant because people verbally abuse them so they get anger and go on power trips, all i have to say is that people who are affected so easily by others immature antics should have no right to hold a badge, you need to be a well collected individual imo. I showed this video to my mother(lawyer) and she said the only thing that was wrong was the uncontrolled dog attack, with that being said that dog could cost the city millions depending on who that person was, personally HE MOST LIKELY DESERVED WHAT HE GOT, im not fighting that but i could definitely see the loose control these cops had over their emotions and i could see them loosing control over a much more minor situation. Also that dog has a high prey drive and is completely uncontrolled. Where was his release command if, he's gunna where a badge he better be a little better trained then a pitbull from the ghetto with only a bite command and no letgo. The cops were simply embarrassed and upset that the perp held his ground for so long. So that was their way of saying bad boy, when in reality he should have just been hit with 25 more felony charges that now because of the cops stupid self punishing actions could and should get dropped.

hey all i gotta say is you cant mess with SC  >:D

cutter i told you not to make me chase you rolleyes

After already firing shots at officers there is no telling what this guy was willing to do. The dog being put on bite may not have been the best thing for the other LEOs but it was probably necessary. The fact is shots were fired and this scumbag had his hands under his body, which is a damn good place to conceal a gun, and wouldn't place them behind his back or even at his side. The dog was/is just another tool used to gain compliance and in this situation seemed to work pretty well.

Spot on Marvin. I agree with every word you posted.

x2  lol

 i was told they use them cause they pretty much chew as they are biting you an work  you long enough for the others to come outta nowhere an spear you an all that neat stuff

i would have to agree with the pros n cons of force used. police are charged with protecting the citizens, but protecting thierselves aswell as thier fellows officers. i personally think that if 4 fat a$$ deputies cant subdue 1 man, then they made to get into a better physical shape and using a dog while the person is down is a little chicken poop. i do agree, if you run, be prepared to pay the price, but the cops shoulda used better judgement. its a toss up of 50/50 on brutality, and nesessity. they should be suspended with out pay till an internal inquery is held and finalized, but the suspect should be charged to the fullest extent of the law. police are there to uphold the law, not abuse or break the law. it shouldnt be a do as i say, not as i do mentality with leos

Spot on, but unless you are the one who's placed in these types of situations regularly you don't notice things like the location of his hands..... I came an eylash away from paying the ultimate price due to not using enough force once....won't happen again!

The camera is what get them in trouble. Yes he derserves what he got , just dont show the whole world.