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i gotta gyp that is jam up. except for one thing, shes been gettin real bad about yipping on trail. anybody have a dog like this an still catch hogs? how could u possibly fix it? i really like her an dont wanna get rid of her.
                            thanks guys jake

Not to sound arrogant at all, but I catch hogs all the time with loose, open mouthed dogs.  And yes, these hogs know what dogs are.

If she is as good as you say, she will produce hogs for you - bottom is the key.  I don't believe they ever stop trail barking once they stop.

Good luck.

I got some dogs that will yip once the hog breaks never really stopped us from getting hogs its the barking on track before the hog is found I cant stand.  You just cannot hardly stop it once it starts just me.

Jake, im pretty sure your talkin bout Bella, but you aint gonna break her from it. Ive shocked her, whooped her, everything under the sun... Thats why you have her and I don't! She barks when she is running a hog, and the track is real hot. The only thing that ever made her quiet down was to put her up for a few months.

john, ya thts who it is. shes gotten progressively worse lately. but u ran her like tht an she still got hogs for you right? i hate the barking but really like the way she hunts

Yeah, I told ya she gets pretty bad....

But, you will still catch hogs with her, shes got the bottom to do it.

Im not sure of the guys name but go on baydog.com and look around he use to have an ad if i can find his name i will let you know he has an entire article on how to break them and says it works im not sure i will let you know

Haha John I told him the same thing. He bought her knowing she was open. I told him and you told him lol if she produces hogs that's the only thing that matters. Everyone wants a dead silent dog with some range but there getting few and far between. Bella has a home in Tallahasse if you wanna send her this way!!!!

It's hard break one once they start. I really don't think there is any sure fire way out there, except age and exposure to more hogs.  Some dogs grow out of it and some don't.  If she's good, then it's something you'll have to learn to live with.  

If she's from a good line, breed her to a dead silent male and cull through the pups and you mint get it outta them later on.

Here is part of the article he claims 70% success better than 0 lol.
HOW DO I STOP A DOG FROM BARKING ON TRACK? What I had to do was shorten the sentence a little and say.... "How do I stop a dog from barking and when she wants to bark make her think this is not a good idea?" What I did was this.. I got a good barking collar and it became part of her wardrobe here at the house for about 6 months. Every time she wanted to bark, she got an automatice no no sinsation...... The only time I took it off was a recharge or when I went hunting. When I went hunting, I put the tracking collar on her and I guess in her mind, she figured it was still the bark collar. She got to where she ran to catch there for a long time,,,, no bark, just catch. After a while and the size of hog changed her mind. She did like the rest and bayed. I no longer have the bark collar on her, shes gone back to barking here at the house, but not while hunting. The one thing I DONT DO, is let her run with an open mouth dog!!! Most of the time, if you run them with an open mouth dog, they will go back to barking on track. The only time she will bark on track and it isnt much is if she hasnt been hunted in a while, and usually after a little bit, she will go back to normal. Ive done this with several dogs, I would guess I run about a 70% success rate on succeeding.... But it doesnt always work. Ive had some (in my opinion) some dang good hounds over the years that I tried every thing I knew, but couldnt get them quiet. So I usually let someone have them that didnt mind a barking on track dog. Hope this in someway helps ya, good luck with your dog

That article makes zero training sense.  Let her bark on track,if you try to shock her off it,you might ruin the dog. Lot of people catch hogs behind dogs that open. Guys who won the largest contest in Texas last year have a few dogs that bark on track.

My dogs know the difference between a tracking/shock collar......

I would think most dogs that are hunted a lot do.

If you read the article he doesnt suggest using a shock collar while hunting just in her kennel or chain. I have used the exact system he explained and it work to a T with my 1/2 cat 1/2 walker dog she was wide open and now she may yip 3 or 4 times if it breaks and thats it so make sense or not it works.

All this "stopping a dog from barking on track" seems like a sure fire recipe for ruining a good dog if not done with great care and understanding of what you're doing. In my opinion,....there are dogs that will bark on a track, and in varying degrees, and there are those that never will....period. We kill hogs with open dogs....hounds....and I have cur dogs that are almost silent, we run them together and kill hogs, a lot of hogs. It's just not that big of a deal for me.....it is for some I understand. If this dog is going to be open to some degree when on a track, then sell her to someone that doesn't mind it,....and then she can enjoy hunting and being who she really is. Just don't ruin a really good dog by trying to make her into something she is not.

He talks about using a Bark collar, not a shock collar. And he takes it off when hunting.

I have tried it before. If started as a puppy it seems to hush them a good bit. I don't know if it was this training or just growing out of it as an older dog.

I have never been able to quiet an older dog.

x 10. I have silent and open mouth dogs and have caught just as many with one kind as the other.

Bark collar/shock collar.....  they both feel the same to a dog. I am talking about the prongs tight against the neck.

I think that most people don't like an open dog because the properties that they hunt are small.

I got to thinkin about this the other day, and figured some people cant tell the difference from a trail bark and a bay bark, so if they run silent dogs then they wont have to wonder if the dogs are stopped or not.        Just a thought

The dog he is talking about will go through phases, the more you hunt her  the more open she will typically be. When she started to get like this I would put her up for a month or two and when you brought her back to the woods she would quiet down.

Whenever she was quiet I caught alot more hogs with her, and those hogs typically bayed up a whole lot faster. Thats why I wont feed anything that says a word til they in front of a hog.

i dont like it , we went sunday with a dog that we had got rid of for this main reason , my opinion i was watching our other dogs and every time this one started yipping they would quit hunting and run to her and of course there was nothing so i think its bad because i feel like it will kill the other dogs honoring the bay if they hunt with a dog that is open on a trail like this .
paula :)

Yes it can be frustrating for a dog not used to it, but you could look at it this way: if you're open dog is honest, he'll call the other dogs over to the track (scent). Of course if it's a very cold nosed dog they may not be able to smell it anyhow. Definitely pros and cons to both. 

Here is a thought...

If the dog was barking on track and the other dogs went to it, why would they still not pick up the same track that dog was running??
Unless that dog just has a lot colder nose, i would say that dog may just be a babbling idiot as some call them...

I guess if you run really rough dogs I could understand not wanting a dog to bark on track...

But if you run loose dogs, why does it really matter?? If the hog wants to run, it will regardless of if the it hears the dog coming or if it has one in its face...  Open or not, it wont catch a runner if it doesnt have BOTTOM... and it still might not catch em!!  ;D

 :angel:  you barely beat me to it!!!  ;D

But the dog he is talking about Bays more hogs, and usually bays them faster when she quiets down. So it obviously does make a difference!

several different variables to think about.... is she slow on track? does she have good bottom?

i dont know the dog or her style,  but i know the hogs where we hunt will leave the country wether its a silent dog or wide open.... if it doesnt have bottom it aint gonna catch it..... them florida midget hogs may be different though...   :D

I hunted her on the same place for 3 years. South Florida, pines and big palmettos, no difference in vegitation between summer and winter. I usually put her down alone, really didn't matter if other dogs were down with her, really independent, almost seemed like she would try and go away from other dogs to find one on her own. Hunted at a dead run most of the time when you walked her, when you roaded her she stayed about a hundred yards in front of the truck. Had pretty good bottom to her, would run one for 3-4 hours. She is about 5 now, she shouldn't be slowing down yet?