EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

So I guess I don't get it. How are people getting gipped on a dog? Its seems to happens alot. Would u buy a car with out a trip around the block? What are these people saying/doing to make people hand over 100s of dollars on someones word? Im asking for details so I can be educated. If I needed a dog I know who to ask. Why out source? Thanks guys might help some of.us rookies avoid these deals

Not being a jerk just thought if u share expirences might help the next guy avoud it. Thanks

i got ripped off by trusting someone like i would wanna be trusted if i really was in a situation like he said he was where i couldn't show the dog but i know better now trust no one until you know first hand

honest folk are a minority

sad but very true

I feel your pain I took three dogs on a trial and told the person I didn't want them and it has been 2 months of trying to get in contact with them and he won't return my calls or anything so I guess I will chalk it up as a lesson learned I have never had to buy any dogs before this and it just shows that the honest man is the one that gets burned in the end

Yes they are! I have not been ripped off, but I have been wanting to post the same thing... I am not so much a newbee, but I guess I'd consider myself "started" or just now "turning on" LMAO! BUT... I have made quite a few dog deals, and it gets frustrating. If you have not hunted with the dog, and none of your really close, trust worthy friends have either, why trust someone you don't know??? I don't care if they are wearing a preacher's outfit... those things come off!!! As do someones' demeanor or attitude. One question that I have for some of these people who have been getting ripped of right and left is... how long have you given the dog on your yard before you hunted it by yourself without the previous owner of the dog around??? From my experiances, a good finished strike dog WILL go and catch a hog if put into the woods, no doubt. BUT if you've hunted with the owner and dog and it found hogs, but then you take it hunting without the owner around and it doesn't hunt, is that not partly due to the fact that it's not your dog and even the dog knows that??? I feel that you should have some type of bond with this dog if you expect it to hunt for you. Example: feeding and petting it, and actually having the dog come to your call. If the animal will not do that then how can you expect the dog to hunt? I don't know all of the senerios, but some that I have read have made me wonder this. I do not mean to upset anyone saying any of this, but I'm more conserned. If you do not know without a shadow of a doubt that the dog is what you want, why buy it??? There are way too many reputable dog breeders out there to not look around. JMO

I don't necessarily agree with this, because I'm a FIRM believer in what goes around comes around.

x2 Karma is a b!t(H!!!! three fold! They will get their's, and trust in that! Continue to be honest in your ways and something will turn out in your favor eventually! Putting together a good pack has been one of the hardest things that I've done, and am still doing. My grandfather always told me, "Nothing in this life is free boy, anything worth having in this world is worth working hard for!" Then his son, my dad, would say, "Nothing good comes easy!"

ok well i have made a promise to an individual that i will not cash him anymore as he is gonna try to fix his mistakes. at least he manned up to his mistakes so i will give him that much. so i will not be posting anymore about this on the open forum

Josh u sound like a good guy, but like reat said u cant bash so quick, I understand though, I grew up with nothing so a dollar is important to me, and getting worked over aint cool. read the rules for dog trade if  u cant show, cant sell and if they wont, dont buy! Im more than fortunate to be learning from some great guys in my area and they enlightened me on things. Theres no such thing as "a mans word is his bond" anymore! Its dog eat dog, survival of the slickest lol its sad but true, what happened to the good ole boys? And u "finished" hunters be patient with us rookies. Were just learning and green as grass!

First thing, is read this board. After a pretty short time, you'll see who hunts, get to know their dogs, and get a pretty good feel for folks personality's, etc. even how they hunt and how their dogs hunt and work. With that information, you have a higher % of getting high quality dogs . Also, look at the member's posts counts, look at there posts and you'll see there are folks who are hunting 3-5 days a week, some folks who hunt once a week, people like me that are getting started and 2x a month is a good month(but business is about to pick up!), and some folks that love hogdogging but due to life circumstances, cant hunt at this time. The RED flag goes up ANY time i see some one that posts in "for sale" and their post count is "1".  To me, that's using the board to move dogs and almost disrespectful not to participate and be a part of ETHD except as a vehicle to move dogs. 80% of my lil green pack is from 3 or 4 folks on this board, had em shipped cuz i'm n Alabama, but felt good about the folks i dealt with from the exposure and how they handled themselves on the board and in conversations. I tried to do my homework and not get burned and have been pleased with all my dogs purchased off the board. But i did my homework, at this point, any short comings with any of my dogs are a reflection on me, not their breeders, but like i said, I'm picking up places to hunt, and business is picking up, also hooking up with alot of hog hunters near me and hunting with these folks helps a ton. Sorry, kinda rambling. Just do your homework and you'll be in good shape to get some nice hog dogs.

raise yur own dogs and you dont have to worry about getting ripped off. my .02

X2 you can buy a lot of pups for the price of a finished dog. Patience is key. It sucks waiting on them to grow up, but you have a lot better chances of getting a dog that hunts like you want. Hard work and patience will pay off in the end.

I trusted someone on a catchdog that broke four or five bays not catching, it's been awhile back and after reading the site, I decided to just take my lesson learned and go on. from now on I'll always see them in action b4 I hand over $$$$

I raised mine from 6_8 weeks old prob best option I was lucky enough to buy my 3 for 60$ 50$ and 20$ now my cur gyp is preg ill keep 1 and have a 4 pack the great thing is they hunt and they've grown up with my kids so there great in my family as well I know lot of people don't have time to train or work there dogs so they will buy um finished but there's nothing like raisin a pup have the patience and not only have good huntin dogs but great fam friends unless yer the type that kennels um up and only use to hunt but to each his own jmo

raise an train em ... an put the 1000s into the dog that you'll know everything its going to do

X2

 If you are going to spend money on a dog that hunts, get to know the dog well. I have a several dogs that are long range, good nosed, gritty, regularly produce hogs, with good bottom,... now this is the part that I don't brag about, that is also true... they will NOT take orders from strangers, they cant pass up a skunk, and on some days when they just dont feel good, will find one hog and then they are done.

 To me they are priceless, to someone else they may be culls.

People get in a hurry and rip themselves off usually.

i myself have never realy bought dogs until resently and they where pups didnt know the guy but went out to his places and met him
and i know this always sticks in my mind are they going to turn out thats just the gamble we all take
as far as the dog that was bought we all know your not going to sell the best and i know things happen and somtimes a person has to sell one
myself i had to once and the guy that bought him never seen him at all he sent some one else to pick him up i could of sent him a dog that was a cull but those guys are right what goes around comes around

britt, good question!!!   I have been wondering the same thing, think it must be just people savvy, or lack their of.  On a pearsonal note I have baught two dogs in my life, and couldnt have been more pleased with either deal.  One of the dogs was fairly expensive 10 years ago, he was 16 mo and started.  Found him threw a friend, they clamed he could find a pig in a 15 ac pen, thats how he showed him, and thats what he did.  Cash money on the spot, end of deal.  The other one was a few months later and 8mo old, raised buy the same guy.  Herd about her from same buddy,  another buddy of his had bought her a month before and now needed the money. I bought her sight unseen, she was the single best dog I have ever owned.  So yes there was no trial, but they were both recemonded highely.  I have sold three dogs, two do finical reasons.  Both of these dogs were sold to guys I hunted with' and they new the dogs, no trial cash money end of deal.   Last year I sold a dog here on ethd, didnt no the young man, He drove 3 plus hrs and hunted with her, meet him in town, took him hunting, caught several hogs.  He said he wanted her, told him if he had any doughts not to buy her, come back and hunt with her a couple more times,  cause when he hands me the money, the dog is his done deal.  He paid cash money as agreed in advance, with no trial as agreed in advance.  At this time I gave him my buss card with all info on me and my physical address.  I meet him in town beacuse I dont trust everyone to my house, after spending all day hunting with this young man, I would trust him to my house, and If I didnt trust him I would not have sold him the dog, no amount of money.  I owe this to my dogs!  I called him the next afternoon, and he had caught several hogs with her and was very happy.  I have talked to this young man a couple other times, and he was very pleased with his dog. 
  What was strange to me, was he was the only one who even called about the dog.  I believe everyone else couldn't or wouldnt pay $1000 for a good dog.  And I understand not everyone can.  But dogs are like everything else in life (YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR)!   So to think you are going to get a good go find a hog type dog for $300--$500 is crazy, unless it is a buddy wanting you to have the dog.  This is how I do bussisnes, if you like it good, if not thats fine also.      Hope this could be helpfull britt.

I personally think that dogs are incredibly overpriced.  I know that there is a lot of time that goes into a finished dog, and a man's time is worth money, but the people training these dogs are not in it for the money I wouldn't think.  What exactly determines to you that you are going to sell a dog for 1000 plus dollars.  I heard of one that sold for 6000 the other day.  Is it just rich guys looking for a hobby that you sell them to, or are normal everyday blue collar people spending thousands on dogs?  I really do not get how someone will spend that kind of money on a tool, to use in a dangerous sport, that might not live through the next hunt.  Its like buying a ferrari to race on a dirt track. 

i think its more like a rich guy really wanted some guys dog that he didnt wanna sell so $6000 was the magic number that changed his mind ,i really like some of my dogs but ....you know they say everything has a price , an i learned usallay if you dont take a great offer you will soon wish you did

And on the same note!  If you were to buy a dog from me, I will not sell you the dog unless you hunt with me, and see with your owen eyes.  And if you then went and bad mouthed me after you agreed to my terms, we would have big problems! 

dang right

 If ive got something good then i just wont sell and it's cost me a few times. Now, if somebody starts  trying to buy something i dont want to sell, Ill cut them off quick. I turned down a wad of money for the best heading horse i ever owned and less than a month later she got struck by lightning, killed her and crippled two other horses for three months. Got offered good money for a really nice dog and said no, let her off the chain a week later to get in the trailer and she chased the barn cat across the road and got hit by a car. I will not sell the best ones i have and i wont sell the worst ones i have, Ill cull them or give them to somebody for a yard dog. If there in the middle somewhere then they're for sale, but i will be honest with you on them. If the buyer still wants them then its on them. But they will hunt with them first or i wont sell them.