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I have been working with a almost 4 year old AB gyp for the last week to see if I can get her to catch. So far I have just been getting her uses to the other dogs and doing long walks with them to hopefully get her to feel as one of the pack. I showed her a 150lb sow the other day with a bulldog on the hogs ear and she just stood there looking at me like WTF. Anyway do any of you guys have any tips on getting a older dog fired up? This dog is from some good AB blood but has always been a brood dog and had never been off the chain.

Stock trailer and a big mean sow. One that will meet it at the gate when you put it in there

Put it on the dog trade as a finished catch dog!  >:D  >:D

X2 sow won't cut her up just turn that switch on in her head to either catch or be caught!

get something smaller that will squeal let her hear that an feel that vibe ... she'll turn on .. i actually had one a little younger doing the same thing an we got her catching tonight an i'll be using her this weekend

Peachy, build on prey drive. not knock it down. that does work as a last straw in some cases but I hate that tactic. I like to be able to let them run and chase around the outside a pen on a running hog along with a dog that is bay crazy.

At my house I let the dogs run the (outside) pen perimeter and and I have hogs that run non stop, this is also how I am able to keep younf dogs intersted and others in condition when I am not able to hunt but works on alot of dogs to be able to let the just run at their own leisure without expectations or pressure. They dont have a  human breathing down their neck worrying if they are going to get in trouble. i just allow them to be dogs. I totally ignore other behaviors and when they show any intrest then I praise them and walk away. this is done repeated until they can pick up that when they get it right and want to go after the hog I will come and join/reward them in a pack situation, and if they dont do it. I dont do anything.

This is a NO PRESSURE method. They either make it or they dont, totally prey/pack DRIVE inspired.

It gets intense when they are ready for the next level they let you know.

Before I started this method we always used the Squealers first

I had a 4 year old pet bulldog that I wanted to see if he'd catch. He had a ton of prey drive so I thought he might. We got the bay dogs baying a small sow. I turned him loose and he kinda stood there and would run in like he was going to grab a bay dog. My friend told me to walk him up in the hog's face so I did and turned him loose. He went nose to nose, sniffed the hog, the hog hit him pretty good, and the rest is history. He grabbed an ear and locked down. Put him up for 10-15 minutes while we worked some more young dogs. I brought him out, turned him loose, and he went straight in and caught like a pro with no hesitation. It might take her getting hit a time or two to flip the switch.

Hows your male out of spider doing?

My current bulldog actually bayed then caught her first few times in a pen. She got roughed up a little and now she goes straight for the catch.

I've used the stock trailer / mean sow approach a couple times but it was a last ditch effort.  A method you could easily ruin a dog by, but might work with a dog that may seem already ruined anyhow.

Usually a hog squealing will trigger prey drive if there's anything to trigger.

Just shoot her and start all over. ;D J/K  (inside joke)

lol x2 an x3 an x4 ... if its 4 years old why waste anytime on it ... get a younger fresher dog that wants to hunt

I had the same situation I bought a 3.5-4 yr old AB gyp that had never caught a hog in her life. I took her to the baypen and put three bay dogs in it and left her on the outside. She started going crazy when they were baying so I put her in there and she flew across the pen and bulldozed a 250 boar hog Knocked him clean off his feet! all ear the first time. I spend some time training her to go to a bay in the woods while I was training my pups and less than a yr she is one of the best catch dogs in the woods. This is what worked for me.

Because its my time to waste... ;)

Just curious when you say good blood, what blood are you talking about?  Not to put the dog down because I was not there and did not see her or what she did but for me they either have it or they don't.  I think if at any point you have to help a dog catch and get over their fear or try to build up drive then at some point down the road you might run into problems with a nasty hog.  Drive and self preservation issues to me are more genetic with some enviromental influence in there.  Now with some you see the want and drive but the lack of knowing just what to do with that drive and that is different. Not a bad thing but I don't like that either but that is just me.   Had a three year old AB gyp from PA that came straight off a chain into the truck to Tx and straight onto the ear of a hog.  She had never seen one before but the second she saw that hog move it was on.  But to be honest it is really hard to say without being there and seeing just how she responded.  Good luck with her.   

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=713616

I am by no means a bull dog guru but was told it was a pretty good pedegree.. To you it may not be but I trust the fella that told me it was a good one ;)

i wouldn't trust that guy any farther than i can throw my horse !

anybody that would drive 6 hrs to hunt with somebody they never met , walk 15 miles leading a bulldog on a dry run then give the guy a GOOD catchdog just aint right in the head!!  :D :D :D :D

YEAH,.........WHAT HE SAID^^^^^  ;D

Dang that's Spider. LOL! Here's her son off her first litter. He caught the first hog he saw at around a year. I just got him on his first in the woods the other day and he did ok. Still got some more work to do but I think he's got it in him to be a pretty good one!
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f109/dean_o3/downsize.jpg)

My old man Reign is actually is out of Roscoe's brother, the sire on top in that ped.   Don is a great guy and dog man so if he bred that dog then it should be a good one.

INABS,  do you have a pic of reign? Ive been down to eddies a few times and seen roscoe in person. The bottom side matches up real good with Peachcreeks peewee dog also.

Yea I can send you some.   Eddie is good people.  I got Reign for Lem who bred Rosco.  Really liked that dog and a friend of mine here in Tx actually had another one of Rosco's littermates named Duke and he was a hell of a catchdog. 

I saw Reign on this thread recently. Man what a good looking dog!!!!!!
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=46785.0

Yes there he is and thank you for posting that and the nice words about him.   He sure is a good boy.   

I remember seeing those pics but didnt know he was roscoes brother, I can see the resemblance now. He looks good.

Maybe I didn't type that clear, he is out of Roscos brother.  I will try and post his ped tomorrow.

Nope you typed it clear, I just didnt read it clear. Just got my wires crossed up. LOL
Either way he looks good.

I brought her along on a hunt tonight just to get her used to things and when the dogs had a bay going and Mikes new catch dog got geeked up Spider acted geeked a little too... them danged ole rough dogs of Mikes and Jasons caught the hawg so no bulldog action on this hunt.  I think a little time is what the DR ordered for ole Spider.   ;)

Good deal, I know shes got it in her. Might have to get her some dentures tho. LOL

Nothings more aggravating then leading a bulldog 750 yards through the worst briar patches imaginable for the bay dogs to catch out on. 

And on the other hand, nothing pisses me off more then realizing I have a bruiser bayed up, and no catchdog within 5 miles. 

I know she has it in her too now!! I took a shoat today and let my bird dog pup bay it a little and led spider over to it and the switch flipped.... Bam right on the ear. she caught good and hard. I think she will get some peewee seed afterall if she can handle a dog that big ;D

here is peewee's pedigree

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=1328564

Give her to someone for a family pet if she is fit. If not, grow daisies on her. From what I've seen and heard, American bulldogs are excellent family dogs. If she reacts like that at four with another dog caught right in front of her at four years and is not sciddish with you I would not try her anymore. And for the person who replied put her on the dog trade as a finished catch dog, your the type of trash who will kill this sport. Internet pieces of chit who screw people out of a ton of their hard earned money only to get embarresed when they go to the woods by people who only pay for food, shots, and wormer. May carma pay you with many days of your own chickenchit ways. And if I get banned from this site for saying this oh well. Keep the worms like that on here. Hopefully he gets me with an ad like that one day so I can pay him a visit!!!!!!!!

Looks like somebody's having a bad day.
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!

Looks like somebody's having a bad day.
IT WAS A JOKE!!!!

My bad bud. It's just that I know people out there that have done exactly that in those situations.

No problem, yes there are crooks out there, but like has been said several times in the last few days "try before you buy"

From the few times I've bought off the Internet, I can promise it won't happen again, but I'm blessed to have a lot of good friends with good dogs who throw good puppies so I don't have to.

Ive met a lot of good people on the internet, but run into my fair share of crooks and liars too, you just have to be careful when dealing with strangers.

That is awesome! Should be a good breeding!

thats the plan Tom and I had ;) I was just hoping she would catch so i had some back up for peewee. I think she will be fine in a few weeks if i keep taking "baby steps" with her.

;D