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My black gyp is bred and do in about 5 weeks. I have always heard and been told to hunt a gyp hard and as long as possible when she is bre to make the puppies stronger. I can see the science behind this theory being true but I don't have definitive answers.

For all the old timers that have been hunting along time and madelyn breedings. How do you hunt your gyps once they are bred? And have you been able to tell a difference in litters?? I ask old timers bc most likely they will have one gyp that they have bred repeatedly over and can hopefully pull useful data from

I understand that nothing will change genetically in the pups but I'm interested in knowing how much stronger or healthier the pups might be from the physical activity put forth from the gyp during gestation. Thanks

Well i aint no old timer, and dont have alot of experience with breeding, so ill leave your question for the old farts..  >:D

But my concern would be her getting hurt...

Id hate to see her take a nasty hit from one of them big toothies yall always catch, and possibly loose the pups...

With the potential that those pups should have, maybe a nice walk in the park would be enough activity...  ;)  ;D

I reckon I already know the answer to this, but do you have a home for all them pups? Are you planning on sellin any to a hunter in need??? ;D ;D

Nossir I'll be keeping most, the rest to hunting buddies

Lol yeah funny you say that, that boar hog we caught the other day cut her across the throat, glad he had little teeth. It was her first cut ever. She's one of the only ones that usually doesn't get a cut collar.

Shr's only got another week or two of hunting, I won't hunt her once she starts showing

Molly doesnt usually get a cut collar either... It its got any size or fight to it, she wont hardly get close even when the CD gets there...
But once she gets bred, she will probably have a cut collar, vest, 2 garmins, and a cell phone on if i hunt her!!   :D

I figured. You have some good looking dogs that seem to get it done, I would be doing the same thing!!!

Back when I worked cows with my dogs, I have used some bred gyps when I had too. I never hog hunted any after they were bred because I only bred gyps when I needed replacements. I couldn't take a chance on something happening because I never kept or bred that many and was usually cutting it too close as it was. I could not tell any difference in the pups from the ones I did use.

I'm no old timer but I've always heard that a gyp will "run out of her pups" if she is over worked or over stressed meaning her body will abort the litter. I don't know.  ???

Yeah, but the definition of "overworked" is extremely different for that gyp and her cousins. I don't say that rudely, lightly or without justification either.

I don't know Tony, but I'm sure she'll be fine and looking forward to hearing about the lil squirts. Best of luck to you bro.

Put her up... you'll be kicking yourself in the a$$ if something happened to her.

Yeah all it takes is one dumb boar hog Tony.  I have enough bad luck with puppies without adding to it.  Now if it was coon hunting or maybe cows, it'd be different.  You've got to much riding on this litter.

You better be out there at night reading bed time stories to them pups, everybody knows that works  :D

Thats a good lookin gyp.

  best advice you will get rite there  . we ain't rabbit huntin out there !!!

X 20 .....Why would you want to take the risk of losing her and the pups just because of some old timers idea? Bein' as I'm 60 years old, that probably qualifies me as an old timer, or old fart as Trent calls us,  :laugh:....as long as a pregnant female gets proper exercize, I can see no reason that hunting her hard during her pregnancy would make the pups stronger....makes no sense to me. What you feed her, seems to me, would have much more influence on the strength of her pups than hunting her while she's pregnant. Heck, half of this stuff you hear from 'old timers' is just crap they've heard from some other 'old timer' anyway.....the Lord gave you sense to use during your time here.....so I say use it. If it seems like it's 'not quite right'.....then there's a reason for that....it isn't! Good luck with your pups bud,.....keep us posted.

Lol thanks for the input everyone, I doubt I hunt much this next month anyway. I won't take her regardless

You're dogs are gonna disown you if you leave em kenneled up for a month.

Well its a wives tale but I let a heavy bred gyp bay at the pen a bit outside the fence so she can't get banged up.
Have had to bad of luck with hunting bred gyps especially if she gets her tits cut up and infected prior to having them pups.
Guess it would be compared to the principle of folks reading to unborn children.
Dont know if it made any kind of difference but sure didn't hurt em.

Good looking gyp. Hope she throws plenty of healthy pups for ya and at least one Yeller. Lol

My wife drank milk while she was pregnant.  Sure enough, both kids we have like milk.  Just saying. 

 ;D

Mike said this best.  Don't hunt her (until she has weaned the pups)  if you want pups from her.   ;)

A buddy of mine had his gyp that was breed get over heated last summer and lost the pups, so just be careful.

Thanks for the info everyone! More so than reading to an unborn child, that is strictly a mental aspect... But physical activity is something totally different. Your muscles have to be stressed and worked to grow, plain and simple. Alternating your heartbeat is what really causes stress on the body and the good physical changes to it. I'm  On my iPhone so it's hard to break down and explain how muscle and physical stamina really relate to heart rate and good stress but it does correlate. My question is how can the mothers raised heart rate while hunting not contribute over into a positive manner for the pups. I understand the safe thing to do would be to keep her up and she will be as long as I don't hung this weekend. But I can't help but believe (my biology and chemistry major kicking in) that the physical activity as long as it isn't taken overboard can't benefit the pups...

YBM.. You never know! There may be an albino black dog show up, I'll call em yellow for your sake ;)

Don't do that, the board can only handle so much "Yeller Ego"  :laugh:

shelly exercise is a positive thing in bred gyps BUT it don't have to come in the form of hunting . hell it's warm out take her to the tank and let her swim , road her a bit any kind of safe exercise .

Did you mean Ego or Eggo? 

Cause I sure do like them lil YELLER waffles.  Especially with a side of bacon.  :laugh:

So that's what all the good yella dogs really are... ALBINO BLACK DOGS! ;D

Yup put her up I dont take no chances with my gyps.   Thats just a bunch of old saying BS.

What did you breed her to?

Another black dog, her daddy

Are the Red dogs in your posts in the same line? They are some good looking dogs.

Yessir they are one and the same. Red, black and blue are the general colors of this line. Occassionally brindles and counterfeit(albino) yellow dogs.

I agree with you tony exercise and positive stress is a good thing for a pregnant gyp.  You dont want her to get too fat anyway. 

You need to get you a horse, start her on cows, and do some day work.  Would be good for the gyp but not too hard on her.  Throwing calves is a good practical exercise for you as well in your cross fit routine.  You can just send me a check for consultation fees, its not all that pricey given I specialize in both fitness for expecting canines, and practical workouts for humans...... 8)

Waylon