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Have been talking with a few about the Bayer Tree and Shrub not being effective against sand fleas anymore.  Have used it just as effectively as everyone for the past two years except this year. This year the sand fleas were dipping their biscuits in it and laughing the while time. Some say the fleas have built up tolerance to it, others say Bayer has changed ingredients and possibly added an element that is neutralizing the active ingredient that kills the fleas. 

I dont know the answer but I ran across this stuff the other day. The feed store feller said this is as close to the original Bayer formula as you can get without any type of fertilizer. 

Long story short. Put some in a sparyer mixed a tad of water and ran a line down every dogs back. Next day......ZERO FLEAS.

Totally nuked these lil jokers and are still flea free after one week.

Go try yall some.  It worked great for me on some sure nuff hard to kill sand fleas. Deisel and burned oil wouldn't even touch these jumpers. 

Enjoy.

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That's what I use.  Works great.

Thanks for the info. Gonna try it this week. Bayer isn't working for me either.

Hey Miles this is Dugan Robert's son which feed store did you get it at and how much water do you add?

Southland Feed
downtown Lufkin runs about 17 a bottle.

This stuff is really thick like a cream so I put just enough water in the sprayer to lighten it up enough to run a line down their back that would sink into the hair easily. 

It works. I been using it for 2 years. I get the concentrait and mix 3 cap fulls to a gallon of water and soak the dogs down in it.

thats what i use.got it at serios feed and seed in bossier city. works great

That is what I have been useing.
M G in Weimar, Texas

For everyone who had used this brand recently. What is the estimated timeframe you have to reapply to keep it effective?

when i first started and fleas were awful.about every 3 weeks.after they were under contol about every 4 weeks.i never see the dogs scratching.its been a blessing.i wish i had something that worked that good on ticks.some places i hunt are thick with ticks.

It last bout a month but if you buy the concentrait the active ingredient is 21.4 percent.
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I haven't run out of the original tree and shrub but I would use it once a month for at least 2 or 3 months just to break the cycle...

Anyone know where I can get it around alvin? I already checked tsc and my feed store neither of em carry it

Worst case scenario ..The company is in Pasedena. You could swing through and pick up a gallon. May try the feed store in Santa Fe.

alright I appreciate it. Is the feed store your talkin about Evans?

Something to think about.  No doubt that the active ingredient works but if you can get the same active with a "carrier" so that it spreads across the dog you can apply straight down the dogs back, which is more effective.  I use a product here with the same active but is a backline treatment for sheep lice the product name here in Australia is "avenge".  I'm sure that there would be similar products over there.  Just be careful to work out the correct dose.  I worked it out against the same treatment as "advantage" and it ended up being the same as the label rate for sheep.

This is what I have done and I don't have a single flea.  All my mates do it too.

T

$17 a bottle is crazy, the local feed stores around here charge $11. Ive been using it the last 3 years with good results, I put it on the dogs straight and make sure to rub it in good to the skin. I also add a lil to my spray rig with Demon when the fleas hatch out and spray the yard, pens and barrels. Good stuff!

Yep. Lol. Seems like they charge extra for having to bring items into the woods. Lufkin is notorious for higher prices without reasoning. 

TSC has the tree and shrub... The store in Bay City and the one in Lake Jackson carry it in a 32 oz. bottle and the name is "COMPARE AND SAVE" and it sells for $9.99 a bottle... 1.47%...I copied the description off of their website...

read below....

Control insects that infest trees and shrubs with Compare-N-Save® Systemic Tree and Shrub Insect Drench with 1.47% Imidacloprid. One easy application protects treated outdoor trees and shrubs and listed fruit and nut trees for 12 months. The insecticide is absorbed through the roots into the plant for protection that won't wash off. Controls aphids, emerald ash borers, Japanese beetles, birch leaf miners and other listed insects.

•32 oz.
•Liquid

Is it just sold local? I need some up here. Didn't have any fleas til I went to AL last weekend. Noticed ole Pete digging and scratching today. Sure enough ate up with them.

It shows this company to be out of the Houston area. I dont know if they are nationwide or not Tom

if i get the regular stuff, not the concentrate, How do you guys do it?? i dont want to kill a dog with poison. Is there a certain mix ratio yall use? water vs. poison for spraying the yard and what mix do you use for putting it strait on the dog?

30-60 pound dog is 13 to 15 cc's or mils if it is the formula with the 1.47%...double it if it is .75%...not telling you how to do it...this is how I do it and it keeps the fleas off for quite a while...just make sure the other contents in the bottle are inert ingredients... also make sure you don't buy the bottle that comes with fertilizer...

wear rubber gloves when rubbing the product into the dogs back...

so you dont dilute at all when putting it on the dog?? as long as its 1.47%

I added some water to the stuff I purchased because it was to thick to sink into hair. Dilute it a bit and it will spray on just fine.

if you are going to dilute it then I suggest you measure out what you need first... then dilute it if needed...The 13 cc's I was talking about is straight out of the bottle...this method has worked for me...

ok, thank you

one more question, do i need to watch out for the dogs licking it?? or just put it on and be done with it.

Swat them if they try licking but saw a few of mine get a taste and that's bout the last time they tried. Must taste Perty bad. All of mine are still alive and Yeller. So we are good.  ;D

Oh man miles I wouldn't wish this on your dogs but if that stuff dyed all them yellas on your yard brindle and black that would be funny!

But that would be a great manufacturer lawsuit.  LOL.

Betcha we could win that case in East Texas. These ole farmers would probably consider capital punishment for that type of horrific crime.  :D

Hahahaha