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i just got two jags. i started them on a shoat i have at the house at first they wasn't sure whats up because they had never seen a pig before they are 5 months old i have a cat pup im  training and he bays pretty good i threw him in the mix and them little devils picked up pretty quick. and they rough already.

anyone have any advice on training these dogs they are lot different then curs so i'm just wondering if anyone had some advice on them?! thanks for any help.

I had 2 that were hog crazy from day 1, when i first brought em to the woods i would let em ride then turn em loose 100 r so yds from the bay, they hated a hog and had absolutely no quit.

Another thing that helped em alot was walk hunting them, by 7mths mine were both on the gtound running and 1 had found 3 hogs solo by 7mths old.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

okay i was wondering how early to let them hunt because i wasn't sure they are only 5 months right now little bitty suckers!!

so you saying it wouldn't  hurt to hunt them with the rest of the pack?! right now
and what about trailing did you do any trailing work with them?

I didn't do any trailin work just hog huntin. If they are bayin good i would totem with and drop em close to the bay.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Tanks a lot man

No problem. My cousin that lives in ms bought a phesant vest and would put em in that when they went huntin lol, they walk hunt ALOT so it made it easy to carry them until they could handle bein on the ground the entire hunt, just a thought.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

if you dont want them to be rough you will need to start them on a hog they cant catch. we have had a few and learned to start them on big boars that will make them bay if you start them on smaller hogs they will be like little bulldogs with a short life.

Very very true, mine caught EVERYTHING!


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

i have two and if it cant sling them off the are going to catch  it

Yeah man that's a good tip because I started them on a little pig and they went right to town putting teethe on the pig the first day ever seeing one.

The best is a good idea my buddy hunts with me is all about big dogs he been knocking them since I got them. Then he seen them yesterday and was like I didn't expect that. To be honest neither did I I heard story's so I decided to give them a shot and the story's are true they ate rough. I definetly need to put them on a bigger pig.  I can see why they don't live long.

Thanks guys

man that sounds like bull #2  my buddys where talkin till they seen them in the woods .

Well I hope they work out. From what I hear they hunt ther butt off so I hope they pick up quick!!
I don't care about size I like a dog that's gonna work big or small they seem pretty smart too they pick fast!

My buddy is slowly changing his mind about them the more he sees them work.

I have 6 of the little Nazi dirt piranhas on my yard now. We started by using one as a check dog. And it's grown from there. I've had some success using an e collar to keep them from catching but they still bay close and can cause the bay to break. They are normally the pits to trash break. They were bred up to be versatile terriers for German hunters where they use them for flushing,retrieving, and ground work. The ground work is where the trashing comes in. They think nothing of digging down and chewing the tail off of an armadillo. LOL. To get the Grand Champion in Germany they have to kill a badger and drag it out of the hole.!! Gritty gritty little dogs with tons of heart. I've got a direct import that wouldnt get away from me in the woods so I've got him retrieving. In short take the advise of the previous post and send them in on a solid bay from increasing distances. As far as tracking I use my 220 to locate the hog track ( based on other dog track) where they cross a road or levee. Dump em out and watch em work.  Post some pics if u got em.

1 more word of advice, i dont know if you use kennels or chain or if you have 2 of the same sex or not but I DID!!!(males) If you never listen to me again please listen now, it will save you alotta cash/heartache......sldo NOT leave them in the same kennel or where they can reach each other, when mine dropped their cahones' if was flat out war, im talkin serious money at the vet war.....them little devils liked to have killed each other......in the woods they were fine together but at the house it was a straight up caged deathmatch!


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Good advise Justin! I just had the bottom lip sewn back on one of my gyps where she stuck it thru the fence at the other one. I love those little dogs but man you have to be geared for keeping terriers or they will drive you nuts LOL

I will have to agree 100% with Justin. My two are litter sisters. I can't keep them together at all. They will plain throw down. It was actually a blessing though.  The smaller of the two was a lot more reserved and shy when I got them. Now that they have been separated for awhile, I think she is doing better than the other female that turned on first. Mine don't care at all when they are out and about, it's just in the kennel, and just a little in the box. Definitely take Justin's advice on this one. Save you a lot of time and money.

justin- i do have them together at the moment so i should def put them in different kennel huh?! i have two gyps

plp-i'll post some how the hell do you post pictures on here?


sanman- yes mine are litter mates to and i have one thats smaller and she is actually the one that is showing the most work the other one kinda follows what she does so that might help her out as well.

Mine were throwing down when got here at 8 weeks. Separated them, and no problems. I got a video of my buddies little gyp, I think she is 9 weeks, and latching on. She ain't no bigger than a chihuahua! it pretty funny.  You get yours in LA?

yep i picked them up from a guy named david from oakdale louisiana he bought them from someone in shreveport. i had a dog he wanted so we made a swap.

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i dont know why that picture is upside down i rotated it but whatever you get the point haha

There are a couple videos of my two if you look back at my topics on my profile.

man they are some ampted up little devils.. how old were they in that video?

Nice looking pups. Any ideas of the blood line? R they registered?

PLP- thanks man and honestly i don't know the line, the guy i got him from his name is david i traded a plott coon hound for the two pups i dont know a whole lot about the guy except he hunts with larry parker seems like a cool dude. but they arent registered. he said the daddy came from hog stock and to my knowledge he is still in the woods he said the dad is super rough.

just thought i would give them a try kinda going out on a wing.

The very first video I posted was of Sunny, she is the bigger one. I think she was 10 or 11 weeks. The smaller of the two, Bunny, didn't know what was up that first time, but I worked with her at the house with a mink hide and she loved it. The next time I took them they were right around 12 weeks, an that's the video with both of them. Hunted them twice lately, but haven't gotten on anything. They are fun little dogs and definitely game!

Gamey I meant

If i were you i would seperate em immediately because i promise you ain't never seen 2 dogs fight like jagds fight! Even uf you only have 1 kennel and this means you gave to go buy another it will still save you money.....first fight vet bill here was almost 800$ whdn said and done......


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Sandman- no joke man gamey is the right word for these little dogs. Go getters man. They seem smart though mine listen pretty well it's only been a few days


Justin- ill do that man ASAP I got a big kennel I can put a devider in the middle keep them apart. Thanks a lot guys for the help

I would also block the bottom 2 foot with something solid that they can't see each other with, females may be different then males when it comes to fighting but my males would fight through the fence, id hate for em to get into it and loose teeth to chainlink. I think you will be very happy with em, mine were good dogs, sometimes ornery and a pain in the arse but good all the same!


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Hold them out of the woods until they are 6-7months old.  They will do the job at 4months but their mouth will write some checks their bodies cant cash.  They will also chase a pig through water and wont quit, young jagds have a tendency to drown while trying to bay pigs in water.  That is another reason to hold them till they are over 6mo.  It gives their body time to catch up in physical ability to their "kill, kill" mental abilty!

In a training pen never put them on a hog that is smaller than 4X their size(they dont need a lot of pen work).
goodluck
Longshot

Longshot thanks for the typ  man.

justin- thanks again man huge help.

Lean mean killing machines. As long as they are occupied they don't seem to get real bad fightIng other dogs . I named my first alleys blitzkrieg ( alleys lightning war) even though it's a knight hunt dog. If they start fighting another dog don't act excited just pull em off it will make go nuts if you yell at em. They get a Viking blood crazed look in there eyes on game and most will die before they back up. You put em on hog you better be reAdy because it's liable to get ugly.i love em but agree their not for everyone definitely put em on a aggressive pig first. They will not last long otherwise also keep a shock collar on em when hunting. Just in case because if they get their fighting blood up they feet tunnel vision.

Well guys third day on the pig and the little her name is bell she found the pig in te woods working her tail off nose I te ground she was hunting and about 20 feet from the pig in the thickets she opened up barked twice ten found it.. I'm honestly impressed with this little dog day three and she found the pig in the woods and went straight to catching I need a mean pig ASAP.

Are they normally open because she opened up twice ten found it right after!?

Where at in s la are you located??? Im in se texas and i've got a sow in the pen thats rough as a cob, abt 110lbs or so....not big enough to kill em but she will rough em up.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Way south man in des allemands Louisiana. Wish I was closer man.

Yeah man this is only the third day and this little shoat isn't gonna cut it imma have to try and find something down here to put them on see if I can't set them back a little. I'm impressed with that little dogs nose though they hunting that's for sure!

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Little wire hair. How big are yours what do they weigh!?

southla777 are you talking to me?

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Out of the guys on here that have hunted worth jags, what range did yall see?

The range on a jagd depends a lot on the blood and how u prefer to hunt. I've seen direct imports that won't get out more than 100 yards but give that blood a couple generations here in the states and it's a different story. Most of what I've had and keep will hunt out 300-900. But I try to keep as much Dixieland blood as I can cause they are usually rangey with lots of bottom.

Jagtank- yeah man I was wondering what yours weighs!? And are they open!?

Okay I don't know if I got lucky or all these things are like this but my small one out of the two hunts her tall off man after just a few days of work ah is finding the pig all by her self i don't know. I'm not sure if I'm a little to excited or she's just doing that good!! Just wondering do all jags seem to pick up that quick!?

Mine came out of creekmore blood from the lufkin area and at 8mths would roll to 3-400yds occassionally out to 6-700yds but would roll out in fresh sign.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

I really have only had experience with a few and only have one currently I have a male ( you might remember him from another post about a goat.) ;D he is about 23 pounds and is 16" tall. (http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r493/hoghuntingmax/19c0c15b.jpg)

I think they usually do hunt right off. all the ones i've seen were trying to hunt by 10 or twelve weeks old. I'm not saying they could get it done but if you turned em loose they started trying to run rabbits and things. a buddy of mine bought a female that went with us at ten weeks old and walked on her hind legs on the leach wanting to hunt. she went nuts if she smelled a hot track. they will hunt for sure right off.

They are supposed to be open according to european standards. on sight or scent. so i guess it's a toss up.My male used to be open on scent as a pup but he rarely makes noise since he's gotten older if he's barkin he sees it.I've heard alot of jagd guys talking and I asked the same question and they have said they are open usually.

In the European testing you tell the judge whether you want the dog judged open on scent or sight.

thats right.I had forgotten.

There has been some discussion on another board about maybe doing a field trial for jagds and maybe even a bench show. Supposed to be in the fall sometime or was it next spring? Any how thought it may be fun to show the snobby Europeans what American rednecks could to their beloved breed!!! >:D

I would like to go to that. Was it on jagd terrier forum?

Yes that's where it was. I don't know the status of it because some wanted the Europeans to recognize the testing which they won't ever do. Personally I just wanted to test my dogs to their standard but don't care whether they recognize the results or not. Mine get whooped for digging so stuffing them into a tunnel or getting them to run a rabbit may not happen ;D I'd like to see a jagd only bay trial. Or at least a terrier class at an open trial.

me to. I think there should be a club with a abillity test and breeder cerifications and titles of some kind. Just to keep the breed what it now is but who gives a rip what the jerrys  like in a dog.Thank you europe the Americans will take it from here.

Jagdtank- how does he work for you man you like him!? Is he rough or will he sit back and bay!?

Good looking dog by the way.

I love mine, I've not seen one I didn't like yet. I've had a few but he is my first one. he will bay  when by himself but it will be a foot from it's nose and if he decides he can take it or gets bored baying he will catch. if another dog catches he definitely is going to catch. If you have a jagd to work the back end it works really good.I going to get more soon. I would like to be just hunting jagds  at some point and a couple catch dogs. I'm not saying their the best at everything but if you put your money down on the table for one you are going to get your moneys worth at least.

Jagdtank- thanks a lot man

anyone of you guys with male jags interested in breeding with my little female when she comes in the second time.. she is doing outstanding man and if she lives to her second heat i would love to have puppies off of her or if you guys know someone with jag puppies for sale off of a good stock
let me know something guys! thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ3Y81qCHDY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Saw some well bred pups in the dog trade, may check em out


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

I have a litter of jagds. Due on aug 5. They are double bred Dixie land with knight hunt down one side. This is the first of these two dogs but should be good pups. High intelligence and grit from both sides. I own the bitch and am hunting the male for a friend. Both registered dogs. I will keep y'all posted.

 I think you or on the right track

 I have a good male if you need one

 Nitro
 He has pups all over the US
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do they make cut vest and collars for jagds? they look like lil heat seeking missles!

Uglydog/wildboar usa makes a terrier vest and terrier collars.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Mr. Mankin, if memory setves me right don't you have a good bit of the same blood that the Creekmores own???


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Nitro Von Reasnor/Lucas ?  I have a gyp off him that I recently got from Alabama. Out of Brandons Annabelle of BAC yard. She's a good hunter very honest and personable dog. Good work mr Mankin.

 Yes or he has some of the same as i.

 I have 1 female from Billy [Cinnamon]

 Most of my dogs go back to Scott's [Dixieland]

I just like the way they work.

Most of the imports or to hard for me.

I thought so, i spoke with you months back about your dogs. Cool to know where the related blood is.


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Annabelle was a blood tracking dog i had she was all nose.
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 I lost her last year but she put us some good pups on the ground.